No "for sale in for sale forum" posts

Chris

Here's the kicker :

Jbravo was not selling anything he was just giving a headsup

None are mine, although I wish they were soon to be!
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The truth of the matter is that I am selling some Emerson customs, I distinctly did not post a link in the Emerson forums of the sale because of such problems that may arise. :(

Jbravo was been his usual gracious self and letting other Suspects know about it. :)
 
I haven't become a Gold member on BF.com yet, just haven't gotten around to it.

With few exception, the only people posting that they have Emersons for sale here are Gold members. Those that do post wrongly are briskly admonished by the members, usually before a moderator sees the post.

My opinion, for what it's worth, is that if the poster is a member . . . WTF. If he's not, spank him and remove the post.

Ken is without reproach in my opinion. He's ALWAYS done what was in the interest of the forums and it's members. Keep up the good work.

I would like to know if this new policy applies only to the Emerson Forum or is it Forums wide? I ask as I don't see any other such restrictions on any other section of the forum and in fact have seen for sale posts on individual forums and it appears to be unchecked. I also don't see the header on any other maker forum.

I know Eric is working on the "Suspect Network", perhaps we can send out group emails to notify each other about knives for sale once it's done.

John
 
There is no sex in the champagne room.
 
I agree with Jackstraw and the others. My opening page on Bladeforums is the Emerson knife page and I seldom look at all the different customs for sale as I prefer Emerson.
 
Mr Cook - In saying:

"I guess I feared the almighty ban."

I was referring to ANYONE who has "ban authority" , not to anyone specifically.
You will notice I have been around for 2 years and have only 165 posts. I usually don't say something unless I feel a need to.
I have seen a change in tenor around here and have been respectful by not saying much. I also have been supportive in the forums in the past. When Spark wanted money to get some kind of AKTI program, I chipped in.
The fact is I have seen folks banned for pushing back. If you feel disrespected then I'm sorry, as I stated I wasn't singling anyone out with that particular comment.I've been buying Emersons since 1994 and continue to do so whether as a "suspect" or not.
You have my email if you wish to discuss further.

Regards- Bill
 
John,
<b>"I would like to know if this new policy applies only to the Emerson Forum or is it Forums wide? I ask as I don't see any other such restrictions on any other section of the forum and in fact have seen for sale posts on individual forums and it appears to be unchecked. I also don't see the header on any other maker forum."</b>

Fair question, and the answer is "No." The policies in question are BFC wide and pertain to all members. The reason you see them here first is because this is where the issue came to a head.

Please note that a portion of my announcement at the top of the page is actually incorrect.
In that announcement I state;

<b>"Please bear in mind that links to the appropriate sales forums in the Exhange forums are permissible."</b>

This is actually incorrect and the fault is entirely my own.
(I will amend the post to reflect actual policy)

The issue of posts referring to items for sale in Exchange had not yet arisen at the time of my announcement. In the last 48 hours, it has been clearly stated that all such posts are to be discouraged. It just happened here first.

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Bill,
Please call me Ken and let's not sweat the small stuff.
Pax.

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To the rest of you apes,

If ya keep talkin nice about me, I'm gonna think ya wanna take long hot showers with me in the wee hours of the morning.:barf:




Oh, yeah. One more thing...

Thank you very much.
 
Ken,
Was doing good at leaving this thread alone till you made that quote from one of my favorite movies. :D

Criminal:"hey soldier boy, if you want to pop that puppy you don't have to greae it so hard".
Gunny Highway:(as he hands his cigar to the kid)"hold this boy, I think war's just been declared".


Dave
 
Ken?
If ya keep talkin nice about me, I'm gonna think ya wanna take long hot showers with me in the wee hours of the morning
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We have a shower date tomorrow? remember?? :eek: :rolleyes:
It was your idea :confused:
 
Remember Ken, if you shake it more than twice, it constitutes pleasure. :D

Lifter - when was that scene, in the flick? I don't remember it.

Seriously, though, I WOULD like to hear from Spark. Maybe I'm just dense as all hell, but I still fail to see the problem.
 
C'mon Chris, pay attention :D In the beginning when he's sitting in jail telling the young guy some war stories and the fat guy with the knife starts a fight with him.
Of course when he gets out of court and the cop starts ragging on him and tells him he doesn't give any serviceman's discount, I almost pissed my pants when he says: that's ok, your wife does.

Dave
 
THAT'S why!! I got Heartbreak Ridge confused with Full Metal Jacket! Duh. :D
 
The Emerson forum is for the discussion of Emerson Knives, not the selling of them. We have the For Sale section of the site for a reason, and keeping the two seperate enables you to keep reading and posting in the Emerson forums for free.

Cross posting not only wastes resources, but prevents us from enforcing our policies. We've restricted posting in the Exchange areas to Gold Members - we cannot do that in the other sections of the site without bringing all discussions to a screaming halt. So, we ask that you restrict your selling to that section of the site.

We recently had an unfortunate incident where we had to ban a member from the site because he felt that the "no selling" rules weren't for him. Look at it from my perspective - if I let one person do it, I have to let everyone.

I understand that some of you are only interested in Emerson Knives, both production and custom. I understand that you don't want to waste time reading about anything else in the For sale areas. I currently don't have a solution that would make everyone happy - I don't think there would be enough traffic to justify an "Emerson Only" For Sale Forum. I could set up a "Usual Suspects" private forum, where you guys could do whatever you want if you were willing to pay for a membership, but honestly, I think that would take away from the traffic here.

Do any of you have suggestions?

Kevin
 
Well, I didn't think the reference or heads up to a legitimate post in the For-Sale Forum was a waste of bandwidth as the knife in question is owned by a paying member, and I don't want to have to check the For-Sale Forums constantly :p (thus I find the heads-up helpful).
 
Kevin,

Thank you for taking the time out to explain you position. What you are saying makes good sense. I guess the Usual Suspects will have to think about how we communicate that Custom Emersons are avialable (and where) without breaking the rules of this place - I certainly appreciate being able to take part in Baldeforums and sure that you do not get the praise you deserve for keeping this place avaialble to all.

Regards and thanks,

Ed
 
Kevin:

Thank you for your timely reply to this thread. I can appreciate the time it takes to run this site and maintain order, I am sure you are very busy.

As many have already mentioned, I too have limited time to review the For Sale Forum in its entirety. The 'heads-up' by other members on the Emerson Forum to an item of interest in the For Sale Forum only hastens a possible transaction. In this sense, the situation is beneficial to both seller and prospective buyer. I realize that the maintenance of policy is paramount to ensure 'fairness' across the board. But why discourage a practice where all parties benefit?

Having said this, I agree that an item for sale should be posted in the appropriate forum.

just curious...:)
 
Spark,
Thank you for your reply and for your solicitation of any suggestions. Sure, I have one...continued enforcement of your for sale by paying members only policy. The "heads up" threads can't be that big a bandwidth eater and only serve to direct traffic to the for sale forum. Looks to me like a win for everybody. My experience and philosophy...too much government tends to degrade its quality. The freedom of the internet is one of its attractions. Again, one might give the "slippery slope" argument but no one is hurt and no rights are abridged by legitimate "heads up" posts. IMHO just makes selling on the For Sale forum that much more effective...advertising as it were. You have performed a real service to this community and you are to be commended. Try to keep an open mind and lets watch this thing evolve. The Emerson community is a unique one, interested in doing its own thing and not in stepping on anybody's toes. Another question, what about heads ups to dealers w/ Emerson customs? How do those posts fit in? Problem w/ rules is that they proliferate. This thing you have created works. Why not let it flourish? Thank you once again for your response and for providing a superb, friendly and effective virtual venue.
 
Maybe this is more trouble than it's worth but I'd suggest setting up an email list (ala TKCL) for U.S. to pass on the heads ups of customs for sale and for discussion of Emerson knives. Clearly our interests in Emerson knives can be better served in a venue such as that.


Jeff
 
Originally posted by Spark
The Emerson forum is for the discussion of Emerson Knives, not the selling of them. We have the For Sale section of the site for a reason, and keeping the two seperate enables you to keep reading and posting in the Emerson forums for free.

There was no selling, just a heads up to another post in another forum.

Cross posting not only wastes resources, but prevents us from enforcing our policies.

Cross posting occurs all the time, and not just about the For Sale forums. Many times there is a post in any of the forums pointing someone to a thread that has pertainant info about a topic that will help a member. Someone might point out a thread in Shoptalk, or to Community Center, that has useful info. Banning cross posting just for posts that point to the For Sale forums is meaningless, and only makes the owner look petty. The only way to make this policy fair, is to ban ALL cross posting in All forums, about anything.

We've restricted posting in the Exchange areas to Gold Members - we cannot do that in the other sections of the site without bringing all discussions to a screaming halt. So, we ask that you restrict your selling to that section of the site.

Again, there was no selling here, just a heads up. Pointing out other threads is not selling.

We recently had an unfortunate incident where we had to ban a member from the site because he felt that the "no selling" rules weren't for him. Look at it from my perspective - if I let one person do it, I have to let everyone.

If you let any cross posting occur, on any of the forums, you should let it continue here. Posting a heads up to the For Sale forums, letting someone know there is an Emerson for sale, is no different than giving a heads up to a Shoptalk thread that might give someone info for finding a way to fit a grip scale. It is just INFORMATION.

I understand that some of you are only interested in Emerson Knives, both production and custom. I understand that you don't want to waste time reading about anything else in the For sale areas. I currently don't have a solution that would make everyone happy - I don't think there would be enough traffic to justify an "Emerson Only" For Sale Forum. I could set up a "Usual Suspects" private forum, where you guys could do whatever you want if you were willing to pay for a membership, but honestly, I think that would take away from the traffic here.

Do any of you have suggestions?

Kevin
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Sorry guys but I have it this way for a reason.

"Why not allow announcments of for sale posts?" - It's called noise-to-signal. In the past, when we allowed this, we've had members who decided that when they posted something for sale, they'd post announcements of this in every tangentally related forum on the site.

So let's say that I post several items for sale: A Sebenza, a Commander, a Busse, and some custom knife. Under your proposal, we could wind up with 1 for sale post, and 4 other announcements, just "trying to draw attention" to it. For every person who is interested in this, there are 5 who'd rather just have the discussion, not the ads.

"But it's only one post" - sorry, but multiply this by all the members making sales and soon we have the noise-to-signal ratio up again.

Not only that, but it's redundant. Why repeat it everywhere? "Cause someone / I might miss it" - look, if you aren't looking for that special CQC-8 that hard, maybe you don't deserve to buy it. :D

Look, guys, I've been doing this for years. I created both KnifeForums.com and then BladeForums.com - everything here is pretty much the result of learning from previous mistakes. I'm not saying no for the sake of saying no.

Kevin
 
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