No more Carbon V

I read somewhere a while ago that the japs hated making carbon v because the carbon from making it dirtied up their factories real bad.Soot everywhere.
 
mitch40 said:
I read somewhere a while ago that the japs hated making carbon v because the carbon from making it dirtied up their factories real bad.Soot everywhere.
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What you read must have been written by somebody as knowledgable as you.:rolleyes:

1) It isn't good form to refer to the Japanese as you did.:foot:

2) Cold Steel's "Carbon V" knives are made in America, not Japan, and unless you are alleging that the Camillus' employees that make Cold Steel's Carbon V knives are Japanese, you have no freakin clue what you are talking about.:foot:

3) Carbon V steel doesn't have any more Carbon in it than many other steels do.:foot:

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3G
 
What about the Arc Angel?!?

If Cold Steel had an admirable knife, it HAD to be the Arc Angel! I have 4 !

I had 3 of them "pimped" by getting the Carbon V blades hard-coated and I love these knives. I was thinking of selling them off because I need the cash, but I wonder if I should keep them now.

The Arc Angel is a seriously strong balisong that's totally adjustable and customizable balisong and I can't imagine the knife with any other steel. You just can't do the same thing with stainless and I wonder about Benchmade using D2 which is an often-called brittle steel for blades in a bali.

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Rat Finkenstein said:
Pathetic that they feel the need to lie, or obscure the truth.

Why not say "Camillus made our Carbon V knives, and we have been unable to find a new manufacturer". . . ?

I guess when you make a habit of being dishonest, you do have to be consistent.

company policy must be to maintain the facade of Cold Steel being a manufacturer of knives. My guess is the guy who called did not tell them that he knew Camillus made their Carbon V knives. . . I wonder what the scripted rebuttal would be if you asked a question directly about Camillus?

Maybe the company shill can chime in here and explain to us how we are all just haters and there are no lies.

I highly doubt CS is going belly up, but they will undoubtedly take a severe blow from the discontinuation of the Camillus-made knives.
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Okay Rat- Time for the "Shill" to ante up into this one.

I went to CS yesterday and got a copy of the letter that is being sent out to all Dealers and distributors of CS. I will quote it here.

Date: 10/09/06

To: All Distributors and Dealers
RE: Carbon V Steel Products

We have been making knives in the USA out of our exclusive Carbon V steel since 1987. However, due to circumstances beyond our control we must suspend all shipments of these knives for the forseeable future and cancel all backorders. We sincerely apologize for the inconvenience and disapointment this will cause our valued customers but we have no choice. For the past two years we have done all in our power to support the factory making Carbon V knives for us, but they have continued on a downward spiral and are now in a very severe business and financial crisis and have lost almost their entire workforce.

However, please don't despair. We will continue to make just about every Carbn V steel knife in either VG-1 San Mai Laminated Stainless Steel, 4116 Krupp Stainless Steel, or free forged 1050 Carbon Steel. While deliveries may be slow or interrupted on the former Carbon V models we plan to have everything back to normal by January 2007 and we appreciate your continued support as we make this transition to new factories and new steels.

We thank you for your understanding.
Sincerely,
Lynn thompson
President
Cold Steel, Inc.

Now, as far as the original poster is concerned, I do not know who he spoke to at CS, but I can only assume that since the Camillus thing was a forgone conclusion, the "problems with Japan" are probably that CS's Japanese manufacturers are unable or unwilling to produce Carbon V. Sorry Rat, no lie there, just a misunderstanding.

I personally know that LT has really been pacing the floor over this one. Carbon V was the flagship of CS. But things change, and so must CS. I know he is looking into other steels (as referenced above) and protos are on the way for testing. If it meets the standard, it may well see production. But it sounds like labeling it Carbon V is not his goal. We will have to wait and see.

And Rat, as to your question as to why not say that Camillus makes the Carbon V and be done with it- well, why should he have to. It is CS's business and what they chose to share with the public and not to share is exactly that- their business. Most end users not only don't care, many have never heard of Camillus, or knew that other manufacturer's used them to make their products. CS is not just a "marketing" company like so many here have stated. They design their own products, send their technitions around the world to the factories every couple of months to inspect productions and make sure that they are up to CS standards, and they supervise exactly how the knifes et.al. are forged, heat treated, and assembled. It is simply more economical for them to "farm out" to an existing factory rather than construct or buy their own.

How many manufacturers of goods are doing the same? At least CS has been trying to keep as much in the US as possible until the fall of Camillus. Even then, they stuck it out as long as they could.
 
DngrRuss1 said:
Date: 10/09/06

To: All Distributors and Dealers
RE: Carbon V Steel Products.....
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That's nice to let their distro's know, after a few months at least. Hopefully they'll be forthcoming to consumers as well, and call 1050, 1050.

Rat Finkenstein said:
. . . I wonder what the scripted rebuttal would be if you asked a question directly about Camillus?
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That's a fair point and a good question. I got no response at all from an email I sent Camillus via their website. It's a damn shame no matter how you look at it, to see another respected US company go down in flames.

For us CarbonV fans, it means little; the steel itself and others very similar are readily available from respected makers and manu's, as shown by others.
 
DngrRuss1 said:
I personally know that LT has really been pacing the floor over this one. Carbon V was the flagship of CS. But things change, and so must CS.
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Thanks for the information, but as a note, Camillus doesn't own "Carbon V", many manufacturers use that steel so Cold Steel doesn't need to stop using it in their knives.

-Cliff
 
Too bad about Camillus. I hope CS will find another manufacturer to produce its excellent Carbon V blades. Now, a Master Hunter in forged, zone tempered 1050 would be one tough blade.
 
I think 1050 is an okay steel, but in my opinion, if CS is going to use a 10XX series steel, it should be one with more carbon.

0170-6 hasn't been made for a long time, but I think that CS can still get 50100-B, which is the same steel.

It shouldn't be hard for CS to find a replacement for Carbon V. There are many steels that would be excellent replacemants. Finding one shouldn't be that difficult.
 
There are many steels that would be excellent replacemants.
Finding one shouldn't be that difficult
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I don't think the steel is the problem, but rather developing a long-term working relationship with another manufacturer.
 
DngrRuss1 said:
CS is not just a "marketing" company like so many here have stated. They design their own products, send their technitions around the world to the factories every couple of months to inspect productions and make sure that they are up to CS standards, and they supervise exactly how the knifes et.al. are forged, heat treated, and assembled. It is simply more economical for them to "farm out" to an existing factory rather than construct or buy their own.

How many manufacturers of goods are doing the same? At least CS has been trying to keep as much in the US as possible until the fall of Camillus. Even then, they stuck it out as long as they could.
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Hmmm. Let's see. Which companies have their own manufacturing facilities? Benchmade, Kershaw, Microtech... all in the USA. I don't know about Spyderco though, but there are others.

Cold Steel is primarily marketing/design. I'm betting that past the concept stage, a lot of the actual design/engineering is done by the subcontractors. No shame in it at all except for the deception they keep up.

Look at Pirella Design. Awesome knives, but he doesn't claim to be manufacturing them.
 
DngrRuss1 said:
I know he is looking into other steels (as referenced above) and protos are on the way for testing. If it meets the standard, it may well see production.
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I wasn't going to comment, but what standards?
Steel that look cool on the Even Way More Really Golly Gosh Proof DVD?
Or does it have to sound cool while Santa Claus, I mean, Lynn T. wears his ninja outfit?
 
I hope they will keep the Carbon V designs, but possibly have someone make them out of 1095, or better yet, A-2!

I have several 1095 blades and several Carbon V, and I'll be danged if I can tell the difference. A-2 is even better. I can't speak for anyone else, but I'd pay a few shekels more for a Master Hunter or SRK made from A-2.:)
 
Esav Benyamin said:
I don't think the steel is the problem, but rather developing a long-term working relationship with another manufacturer.
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That shouldn't be too hard, as Lynn is always kind and caring when it comes to talking about other manufacturers.:rolleyes: :p ;)

Regards,
3G
 
Cliff Stamp said:
Thanks for the information, but as a note, Camillus doesn't own "Carbon V", many manufacturers use that steel so Cold Steel doesn't need to stop using it in their knives.

-Cliff
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Actually, Cliff, I think Camillus was one of very few manufacturers with a decent supply of 0170-6, aka 50100-B. The only other companies I know of with products currently made of 0170-6/50100-B, are Becker (they call the steel what it is), Case (with their "CV"), Ka-Bar (with their "1095 Cro-Van"), and Marbles (they call the steel what it is). I know Blackjack used to use it, back when Mike Stewart was there, but no longer does.

I think that, aside from Case and Camillus, a decent supply of 0170-6/50100-B is pretty scarce.

Regards,
3G
 
More of the same or new and improved. Key marketing tools. CS is falling behind on these.

The creation of 'Carbon V' was a good but risky marketing angle. Knife buffs were cautious then were keen as it's reputation was built on experience. I was not sold on this angle but many people were.

Carbon V had a good reputation.

The cat is out of the bag and Carbon V will never be viewed in the same way again and CS is left a bit exposed with a mixed bag of equipment to offer with no central anchor.

November to Christmas is a key time to sell and reinforce client base so they really need to get moving.

Their niche is also being penetrated by competitors.

They need to reinvent themselves without loosing their identity. Carbon VI is not a dumb idea. Possibly something in 440c/12c27 that is well recognised?
 
DngrRuss1 said:
Date: 10/09/06

To: All Distributors and Dealers
RE: Carbon V Steel Products

We have been making knives in the USA out of our exclusive Carbon V steel since 1987. However, due to circumstances beyond our control we must suspend all shipments of these knives for the forseeable future and cancel all backorders. We sincerely apologize for the inconvenience and disapointment this will cause our valued customers but we have no choice. For the past two years we have done all in our power to support the factory making Carbon V knives for us, but they have continued on a downward spiral and are now in a very severe business and financial crisis and have lost almost their entire workforce.
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Well, which is it? Moore Maker farms out production to both Queen and Camillus, but you never see them claiming to have "made" the knives. Designing and making are two different parts of the process. Just ask a knife maker.
 
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