No More UFC Love?

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Bisping also lost to Wanderlei Silva and Rashad Evans. You can argue that he also lost to Matt Hamill -- that fight has gone down in history as a particularly grievous robbery. But agreed, Bisping is more game than people give him credit for.
 
SleepyBadger said:
Unfortunately you are wrong on Bisping winning. If you check Fightmetrics scores...http://blog.fightmetric.com/2012/01/sonnen-vs-bisping-official-ufc.html... you will see that Chael landed far more significant strikes, had more takedowns and dominated overall. On top of that, Bisping was repeatedly warned for headbutting, shorts grabbing and fence holding. There is a difference between the way in which a fight feels and the reality of who won. Bisping hung with Chael for sure, but all that proves is that Bisping is much better than anyone gives him credit for. Bisping's only loss is to olympian Dan Henderson, not too shabby.
edit** oh yeah, and chael now
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+1. The only thing controversial about this fight was Rogan's commentary. Think he is getting worse as time goes on. bobnery are you really Joe Rogan? ;)
Oh, and thought the feel of the event on Fox also lacked what Spike or a PPV brings, by a lot.

On a brighter note, Lolo's race airs today...Yes my DVR is set.
 
It appears that I am not alone in my thoughts that UFC on standard mainstream TV lacks in many ways. I like decisive victories over judged decisions. Every time fighters hit the more common TV channels, they appear to lack the stamina and power seen on PPV.
 
Thomas W said:
+1. The only thing controversial about this fight was Rogan's commentary. Think he is getting worse as time goes on. bobnery are you really Joe Rogan? ;)
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I agree, that business with Yamasaki after the Prater fight was ridiculous. I am a huge Joe Rogan fan, UFC commentating and comedy, but lately he has become really biased. Too much time in his isolation tank i guess.
 
I think it's a blessing in disguise Kershaw not sponsering Sonnen anymore, he's a total tosser.

He loves himself more than I am going to love my 560, which is ridiculous.
 
I would have to disagree with the body jab that they gave Sonnen. A great deal of his were delivered while pished up against a cage and pretty lame shots also we have to go by the judging system at hand and not the link you provided, and octagon control for all but last round goes to Bis. Bisping lost no points for any warnings either. I give the last round Sonnen and the first few seconds of round one but beyond that Bisping took it all the way

In the end whining will do little there have been other fights that are questionable it's all part of it. Bisping is definitely an underrated fighter though, and as for Sonnen he's a damn good wrestler but I'd like to see him become more well rounded and build his fame off of solid wind rather than lip
 
Even Sonnen if you watch the post fight press conf agreed with Bisping on him losing first two
 
FOX needs to get rid of Curt Menefee for hosting duties and put Jay Glazer there. Jay actually knows something about MMA.
 
bobnery said:
I would have to disagree with the body jab that they gave Sonnen. A great deal of his were delivered while pished up against a cage and pretty lame shots also we have to go by the judging system at hand and not the link you provided, and octagon control for all but last round goes to Bis. Bisping lost no points for any warnings either. I give the last round Sonnen and the first few seconds of round one but beyond that Bisping took it all the way

In the end whining will do little there have been other fights that are questionable it's all part of it. Bisping is definitely an underrated fighter though, and as for Sonnen he's a damn good wrestler but I'd like to see him become more well rounded and build his fame off of solid wind rather than lip
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I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree. In my book, pushing someone up against the fence and holding him there is not worthy of many points. Sure it is octagon control, but you are not delivering any damage nor did he advance his position at all. I am not saying we base our decision solely on fightmetrics, but I am saying we take into account the fact that Sonnen was better in every way on paper. It is hard to say someone won a decision when they got punched more, taken down more and didn't really do much damage. Also, we can not take fighter's opinions about their own fight seriously before they have rewatched it, they are unreliable witnesses. I do not agree with a 30-27 decision, but the 29-28 score is more than justified in my opinion.
 
I think the diversity of opinion on who won here and elsewhere shows it was close. People who follow MMA didn't give Bisping a chance and while he lost, it was close. I think it was 29-28 Sonnen, but if it was scored 29-28 Bisping, I would be okay with that. Round 3 was clearly Sonnen. I thought Round 2 was Bisping and Round 1 was Bisping except for the takedowns, which gave Sonnen an edge.

In any event, Bisping is much better than I thought. The gap between him and Sonnen was nowhere near the gap between Phil Davis and Rashad Evans.

I should mention to that Maia and Weidman did nothing to interest new fans. It looked like to out of shape amateur "Tough Man" boxers.
 
I think the diversity of opinion on who won here and elsewhere shows it was close. People who follow MMA didn't give Bisping a chance and while he lost, it was close. I think it was 29-28 Sonnen, but if it was scored 29-28 Bisping, I would be okay with that. Round 3 was clearly Sonnen. I thought Round 2 was Bisping and Round 1 was Bisping except for the takedowns, which gave Sonnen an edge.

In any event, Bisping is much better than I thought. The gap between him and Sonnen was nowhere near the gap between Phil Davis and Rashad Evans.

I should mention to that Maia and Weidman did nothing to interest new fans. It looked like to out of shape amateur "Tough Man" boxers.
 
So, Thomas,

Can you sponsor StrikeForce? I'd like to see Kershaw on the back of Ms. Tate's or Ms. Rousey's shorts.

Please.
 
lava_lamp said:
I think the diversity of opinion on who won here and elsewhere shows it was close. People who follow MMA didn't give Bisping a chance and while he lost, it was close. I think it was 29-28 Sonnen, but if it was scored 29-28 Bisping, I would be okay with that. Round 3 was clearly Sonnen. I thought Round 2 was Bisping and Round 1 was Bisping except for the takedowns, which gave Sonnen an edge.

In any event, Bisping is much better than I thought. The gap between him and Sonnen was nowhere near the gap between Phil Davis and Rashad Evans.

I should mention to that Maia and Weidman did nothing to interest new fans. It looked like to out of shape amateur "Tough Man" boxers.
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Agreed, well said...in defense of Weidman, he dropped 30 lbs for his weight cut on a weeks notice, and beat a top tier UFC fighter.
 
I gave the win to Bisping - 2 rounds to 3. Chael didn't do much in the way of damage. He was out struck by Bisping in 2 of 3 rounds. The scoring system is flawed. Plain and simple. Getting a take down should mean little if he cannot submit or do any offensive damage. Sure, Chael was the more aggressive fighter, but it wasn't like Bis was running from him, other than to get range and avoid TDs. Face it, Chael sucked ass till the 3rd round. Even then, all he did was smother and tap tap tap Bis. He doesn't deserve Anderson after that craptacular performance. But then, neither does Bis. I'd like to see Chael fight Rousimar Palhares. Watch em lose a leg to that beast.
Take a look at Brock, he had the same delusions of grandeur that Chael has. If Chael wins the REAL belt, he'll retain it for about as long as Brock did. Then he'll quit, after he loses a couple more times. Just like Brock did. Then, finally we can watch some real well rounded fighters, not some one trick pony who has to cheat to...almost win. Sorry to burst the bubbles of all the Chael lovers, but the man has 11 defeats on his record, he's nothing special.
 
http://www.fightline.com/fl/news/2012/0129/547225/chael-sonnen/

Source: F4WOnline
What was in the water last night in Chicago?

It was reported by UFC president Dana White shortly following the UFC on Fox 2: Evans vs. Davis event had concluded that Chris Weidman, who stepped up on short notice to take on Demian Maia on the night's main card, had not beaten Maia by split decision (29-28, 28-29, 30-27), as was initially announced by Bruce Buffer, but had actually defeated the Brazilian by unanimous decision (29-28, 29-28, 30-27).

This morning, F4WOnline reports that the Weidman-Maia decision wasn't the only judges' decision to be rendered or read incorrectly, as apparently there was an error in getting across the correct result of the night's co-main event, which pitted middleweights Chael Sonnen and Michael Bisping against one another.

Originally and controversially read as a unanimous decision in Sonnen's favor, with scores of 30-27, 29-28, and 29-28 all going for the Oregonian. As it's being reported, the actual scorecards show a different story, one that much better reflects what happened in the fight. According to F4WOnline, two judges gave rounds one and three to Sonnen, with Bisping taking the second, while the third judge scored it unanimously for Bisping.
 
Myker said:
If dakine doesnt want the knife, I'll take it.
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The offer was done in fun. While i wasn't a fan of Chael, now knowing that he is a friend of Kershaw/Thomas did change my opinion of him.

on a note of sponsorship though i was always curious why the "mainstream" media has such a bad rap towards advertisement from the firearm and knife companies? maybe someone can enlighten me. I know there won't allow advertisements for cigarettes or porn, but they allow boner pills and alchohol
 
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