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I know there is controversy about the NY knife laws and thus shipping to NY, but what is deal with the individuals who refuse to do so? I know the NYC DA has pressured certain large companies to refrain from selling to New Yorkers, but for private citizens to willingly extend this policy to private transactions seems ridiculous</rant>:barf:


As you were.
 
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bops, I'm going to have to agree as well. Seems ridiculous that a private seller won't ship to NY, but on the other side of the coin.....I can understand one not wanting to get his behind in a wringer. Especially with a ball-buster residing as NY-DA.

Thieves, you make a good point. It's not like the DA has ordered the USPS in ALL of NY to x-ray every package that comes through the postal system.

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type00rev said:
Thieves, you make a good point. It's not like the DA has ordered the USPS in ALL of NY to x-ray every package that comes through the postal system.

:dunno:
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The DA hasn't got the authority to even talk to USPS about what's in a piece of mail.

The few times we had some reason to believe we had a mailbomb, it took the Postal Inspectors to retrieve the piece to be x-rayed.

It is only big business that has to worry about this, having a straw purchase backfire on them. There is no reason for individual sellers to worry.
 
As an individual seller, I get to choose the risks I take in selling. Neither NY nor IL are among the risks I'm willing to take.
:barf: back at ya,
rats...
 
ratstuph said:
As an individual seller, I get to choose the risks I take in selling. Neither NY nor IL are among the risks I'm willing to take.
:barf: back at ya,
rats...
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Could you please reference the actual law that you are basing your rationale on? I personally don't believe any such law exists where a state prosecutor could go after a citizen from another state for shipping a knife into the state.
 
He is not referencing any specific law. His rationale is based on personal preference (the phrase after the first comma). If someone wants to ship a knife to NY, it's their choice, nothing more.
 
RevDevil said:
He is not referencing any specific law. His rationale is based on personal preference (the phrase after the first comma). If someone wants to ship a knife to NY, it's their choice, nothing more.
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I don't agree with your comprehension of what was written. He explicitly states he believes there is risk involved in shipping knives to these two states. It is reasonable to infer he is referring to legal risk. I never claimed he referenced any law (your straw man)--his belief of such a law is implied. I'm simply curious to know on what evidence he bases this belief.

Pointing out that people can choose to ship or not to ship knives to wherever or whomever they want is akin to stating the sky is blue--it's an obvious fact that nobody would dispute.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
The DA hasn't got the authority to even talk to USPS about what's in a piece of mail.

The few times we had some reason to believe we had a mailbomb, it took the Postal Inspectors to retrieve the piece to be x-rayed.

It is only big business that has to worry about this, having a straw purchase backfire on them. There is no reason for individual sellers to worry.
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Yet! ? :D:rolleyes::p

Only time will tell. :)
 
ratstuph said:
NY:
http://www.kniferights.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=113&Itemid=1

I have no link for IL, other than what I consistently read in multiple forums.

As far as I understand, no individual seller has been prosecuted. I simply don't wish to be the first.
all da best,
rats...
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This article refers to a NY DA going after NY citizens under NY law. I'm asking you to justify your fear of a NY DA going after out-of-state citizens under NY law. After all, if you are correct, citizens from other states have much bigger spectres to fear than prosecution for shipping knives!

Please don't misunderstand my intentions here--I personally don't care who or
where you ship knives. That's your choice. I simply want to emphasize that there is no rational basis to fear shipping knives to people in NY.
 
MIKE MACINTOSH said:
Be aware that this DA only has authority in one section of New York city none in the rest of NY state
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It's my understanding that the NYC DA's interpretation is based on NY State law. True that the NYC DA only has jurisdiction within NYC, but his actions (and subsequent judicial rulings and guilty pleas) set precedence for the entire state.
 
I can understand not wanting anything to do with NY politics/law. I wouldn't hold it against an individual trying to buy a knife myself but if I was a larger company I surely would be fearful of the out of control politics. Left there years ago due to a depressed job prospects. I didn't have the gumption to do it then, but it sounds like it's time for the politicians to feel a revolution at the voting booths. You New Yorkers need to stand up to this crap these people are forcing on you. A good place to start is through education of our hobby. Knives are tools. Not the next item on the political agenda.
 
My suppliers will not ship to any part of NY state, but my customers still get their purchases. :D
 
By creating this kind of irrational fear, the DA has achieved far more than even he most likely imagined.

You don't actually have to legislate people, just create the idea in their heads that they might be prosecuted for an imagined crime, and they will legislate themselves.
 
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