Non-aggressive knife names? Does it matter?

Snagblade said:
You sir need to check out a Stretch FRN :)

Less than 4oz, 3.5" FFG blade, ergos of a god.
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Thanks, SN, I checked it out but it does have that ramp on the end of the spine, which I don't find as comfortable for that "filipino grip".

I talked to a lady at spyderco in sales and she recc'd: sage, manix, barong, native, chinook.

She also recc'd checking out the Chicago custom knife show in Sept for designs more in line of what I'm looking for.

I still kinda prefer a fuller straight wood handle for a 3.5" blade.
 
To concur with what you say you were told by a Spyderco sales representative, I think you might want to check out the Barong. I find it quite comfortable for what Janich calls the "Filipino grip" and what I have always taught as the Cancer or crab/pincer grip. Here is a little demonstration of the Barong:

http://www.albokalisilat.org/barong.html
 
Thanks, KGM. I really like the looks of the barong and its handle. One thing which would give me hesitation is that at work there is a no weapons policy even though about 1/3 of the workers carry knives as tools. I wonder if I could claim the barong as a tool or if folks would start giving me grief based on the connection with silat? I guess I could say, well, like kukhris or many western knives, it was a tool that could be used to also defend oneself?


KaliGman said:
To concur with what you say you were told by a Spyderco sales representative, I think you might want to check out the Barong. I find it quite comfortable for what Janich calls the "Filipino grip" and what I have always taught as the Cancer or crab/pincer grip. Here is a little demonstration of the Barong:

http://www.albokalisilat.org/barong.html
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njr said:
Thanks, KGM. I really like the looks of the barong and its handle. One thing which would give me hesitation is that at work there is a no weapons policy even though about 1/3 of the workers carry knives as tools. I wonder if I could claim the barong as a tool or if folks would start giving me grief based on the connection with silat? I guess I could say, well, like kukhris or many western knives, it was a tool that could be used to also defend oneself?
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A Filipino Barong is a short sword / really long knife. The Ed Schempp designed Spyderco Barong reflects the leaf shaped barong blade and beaked handle of the fighting barongs. However, it is designed, first and foremost, as a cutting tool in Spyderco's Ethnic Series--knives which are based on blades from various cultures throughout the world (others in the series are the Persian, Shabaria, the soon to be released Chokwe, etc.). I think you would probably be OK on this one and could explain that it is an homage to Filipino cutting tools. Of course, someone at your workplace might disagree, so I can't really give you a definitive answer, since the policies and procedures of your work place will be the key to this issue.
 
I do have a union at work and there are plenty of other people who open carry knives, so I figure if my boss went after me (b/c of previous union and political activity), I could just sue, like thousands have done before me. If we get some real reform officials in there, I could just grieve on the basis of just cause, also. There already is some external oversight on my employer for his shady practices. Also, I figure I'll have the purple ladybug that I can hand someone should they need it, or if I'm in a crowded area.


KaliGman said:
A Filipino Barong is a short sword / really long knife. The Ed Schempp designed Spyderco Barong reflects the leaf shaped barong blade and beaked handle of the fighting barongs. However, it is designed, first and foremost, as a cutting tool in Spyderco's Ethnic Series--knives which are based on blades from various cultures throughout the world (others in the series are the Persian, Shabaria, the soon to be released Chokwe, etc.). I think you would probably be OK on this one and could explain that it is an homage to Filipino cutting tools. Of course, someone at your workplace might disagree, so I can't really give you a definitive answer, since the policies and procedures of your work place will be the key to this issue.
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Ken44 said:
In the "your knife rights " section of Blade mag, I've read that it could very much hurt you in court even though you may have been using the knife in self defence.

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I took a firearms class last year and they mentioned the same thing but it was with firearms.

Here is the example they brought up:

How would a court look at "He killed poor little Jimmy with the JUDGE(taurus judge)..This horrible person took it upon himself to carry the Judge, skip the jurry and become the executioner..."

You can see how a fancy prosectuor can play this off the jury...

VS "He killed little Jimmy with a sig mosquito"
 
To post on topic, I think it helps to have a nice name. It makes the knife much more presentable as a tool. If inspiration is hard to come by just name it by the maker and model number.

Also, you occasionally come across knives that are worth buying for the name alone. The Umnumzaan falls into that category for me, I can't help but smile every time I say that word.:D
 
If the name is written on the knife (e.g. Military, Rescue) it will likely get into the police report and news coverage - most people don't know knives, so wouldn't be able to identify a particular make/model.

It might also push things one way or the other in a case where an officer is using his or her discretion. i.e. they stop and frisk you (for something else, unless in NYC where flashing the clip outside your pants will get you in trouble), find the blade, and decide whether or not to arrest you. "Rescue" will match better with innocent uses than "Military" - I'm in a state where carry is pretty restrictive except for a huge "job use" loophole. A bigger factor here is what kind of knuckle-headed antics you were up to that P.O.-ed the cop in the first place.

As others have said above, if you're actually in court you should have a damn good counter to the "big scary knife" argument, even if said blade was a Vic Classic. Even blades at the tiny/innocent/cute end of the spectrum will be used to incriminate you.
 
I remember reading somewhere that Strider knives designates their knives the way they do (with initials) just to avoid this kind of reasoning. Instead of dragon slayer each knife is given initials mostly associated with the customer it was designed for. Sounds better in court if some poor individual has to use his knife for self-defense and injures his attacker with a BFCK instead of a big f****** CRAZY KNIFE!
 
How about names like Corporate Lobbyist Special, Office of the Vice-President, Enron Will Rise Again, Merrill Lynch Mob, Yale Law School, Speaker of the House, Attorney General, and "It's Legal" ?

;)
 
wvriverats said:
I remember reading somewhere that Strider knives designates their knives the way they do (with initials) just to avoid this kind of reasoning. Instead of dragon slayer each knife is given initials mostly associated with the customer it was designed for. Sounds better in court if some poor individual has to use his knife for self-defense and injures his attacker with a BFCK instead of a big f****** CRAZY KNIFE!
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Luckily half their blades are camouflage and have Tanto blades :) Yup, it screams "receptionist". Lol.
 
That is funny Snagblade and I totally agree. If it doesn't come when you call it it really don't matter what you call it. A large razor sharp piece of steel doesn't have a clue what it's name is. As screwed up as this country is right now, I bet that if we put half the effort that is spent trying to make everything politically correct and unoffensive into solving important issues like the economy we could actually make some progress.
 
Then why did Winchester spend a lot of money on full page"BLACK TALON" ammo advertisements,only to back off and re-introduce (even changing the packaging) as "RANGER"

Why did Monodnock spend money to advertise "THE PROSECUTOR" nightstick then suddenly pull out and re-advertise as "THE PR-24"?
 
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