Noose cutter

Now you've got me thinking... This can be a dangerous thing... The me thinking bit.

I'm gonna email you here in a moment.
 
I used to run one of those places and was also am instructor to certify people to work in one. If you need to perform rescue on one who is in need, but very aggressive, simply step back....it will soon not fight you or still be in good shape (at which time you call for help and when help arrives you easily remove the noose. The rescue scissors are quite satisfactory or a small knife (easily hidden in a pocket) with a sheepsfoot, lambsfoot or wharnecliff type blade. ...Herb
 
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The Mastiff said:
I would recommend the . Hopefully by that time the help will have arrived and the 7 month pregnant woman will have lots of back up going in. Never use non issued gear in a life or death situation when you have a choice. Never get in such a hurry that you put yourself or co workers even at a little risk when it can be prevented. Sometimes it can't, but in those cases you try to stack the deck in your favor and hope for the best.

I personally would rather have an inmate suicide in my unit than an injured staff. That really is what it boils down to.
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I used to work at a state mental hospital. I cut down 2 attempted suicides with a SAK Tinker.
 
Five or six inch long diagonal cutters (the ones used in electronic work). They can cut almost anything and are easy to carry. They should be safe, but anything can be used as a weapon.
 
Peak_Oil said:
I have nothing to say about my workplace, other than all those things have happened there over the years.

I have been in charge and on duty when three nooses were cut from people who were under my direct care, so I would like a tool that works properly the first time, every time, no matter who deploys it, fall consequences be damned. It would cost my facility more than $5,000 to defend against a civil lawsuit from the family of a.... friend of mine. $1000 would be cheap, and be remembered on St. Crispian's Day. However, I do not wish to put my staff's life at stake in any way carring a gadget that could wind up with a very inexpensive nose job or a scalping, etc.
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since you has nothing to say to about your workplace, might I suggest a smatchet?? its hell on nooses
 
I can think of only two good choices:

A Stihl MS 660 chainsaw.
A tomahawk.
 
look at the kershaw ring. I don't remember the name of it. It has a ring for your finger and a half inch long razor sharp blade. It would make a pretty pathetic weapon.

that or some klein side-cutters.
 
Peak_Oil said:
I have nothing to say about my workplace, other than all those things have happened there over the years.

I would be the first or second responder, but not a "First Responder" in certain interpretations of that phrase. My job is to make sure that the suicide is foiled. That said, I am a First Responder and then some. I think it would be worth a thousand US dollars to produce such an item, and that at least 3,000 would be bought by my facility immediately.

I have been in charge and on duty when three nooses were cut from people who were under my direct care, so I would like a tool that works properly the first time, every time, no matter who deploys it, fall consequences be damned. It would cost my facility more than $5,000 to defend against a civil lawsuit from the family of a.... friend of mine. $1000 would be cheap, and be remembered on St. Crispian's Day. However, I do not wish to put my staff's life at stake in any way carring a gadget that could wind up with a very inexpensive nose job or a scalping, etc.
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I am a first responder and have gone to suicide calls but no hangings in progress. That being said there is certainly a decent chance that I could respond to one one day. I keep my knives hidden so that if someone were to wrestle with me they would not know where to grab to get my knife.
As far as cutting someone down I am fairly confident that I will not be in the situation where the person I am cutting down will turn on me and grab my knife. I would tend to think that someone wanting to be violent towards others would go more for the suicide by cop method..

And like i said if they are fighting you that much you could always cut them down after they pass out.
When you mention lawsuits are you speaking from experience or are you just trying to make sure it does not happen? As long as you make a sincere effort to try and stop someone from comitting suicide I don't think a lawsuit is going to be part of your worries. Are they going to sue you because your knife was not sharp enough?

I just thought of one possibility. Rather than have a blade that retracts how about a blade that only becomes exposed when it is held/squeezed in a certain way and as soon as it is dropped the blade retracts. Heck pruning sheers would probably work well. Not very effective at stabbing and definately not at slashing.
You are not going to have the perfect do all tool.
 
First Responder,

The problem isn't necessarily the "suicide" but the idea that you would HAVE to hand them out to people who would not be able to retain them. I'm pretty sure that given enough time, one of my... friends... would simply walk up to a coworker and say Hand it over or I'm going to pound your face in. Now what do you do?

If you look up a couple of posts, somebody linked to a keychain device that kind of does what you're talking about. It's a two piece item that only exposes the seatbelt ripper when two pieces are disconnected. I think I have an idea for the perfect tool, that would do the job, that could be immediately and permanently disabled, cheap enough to throw in the garbage, etc.

Take the two piece plastic device, and require you to push a tungsten button to remove the blade cover. When the button is released, the blade retracts, and the tungsten button drops into place in the blade in some spring-loaded way to permanently cover the blade. The whole thing could be made out of tungsten instead of having a plastic cover, it's not like tungsten is expensive, but you could never cut through it to get to the blade.

The other safety feature I would add would be to add a second button that would simply permanently lock the device shut and render the sharp inoperable, a button you could push or a way of squeezing it or something that would trigger that function so you'd never have to take it out of your pocket.

Give me the blade or I'll pound your face in. You just push the button, hand it over, and call it a day. I suppose they could throw it at you, but they can throw any number of things at you and get the same effect.

A sock loaded with a few ounces of pebbles collected here and there could be FAR more dangerous than a thin, light tungsten tool that weighed half an ounce.

I've never heard of a suicide fighting back. I've heard of people trying to strangle others who would turn on one of my coworkers and beat them in the event that their work was interrupted. Walk in pairs people, always walk in pairs. I ignored my own advice in a bad way just last night because I trusted one of my friends to act honorably... never should have done it. Nothing happened, and 99.5% of the time nothing does, but if you walk down the hallway a hundred times a week, that 0.5% is going to show up at some point.

Sometimes a suicide can't be saved, there's nothing you could have done to keep that person alive against their will. There have been enough "dumb luck" saves since I've been here that I'm frankly astounded that more of the serious ones haven't managed to pull it off. Our death toll could easily have been triple what it was last year, and that's just what I've personally been there for or have gotten second hand. I only interact with a small percentage of staff, so there may have been far more. This is just a tool that could be used to save precious seconds when seconds are all you have.

One of my friends tried to hang himself, was found in time and cut down, but not cut down soon enough to prevent very serious and permanent brain damage. This person will never be responsible for himself again. The cost to the people who pay the bills is absolutely astronomical, and is due every month, and probably will be for the next however many years, but I'm convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that it will be in multiple millions before he dies. That is part of what this tool is designed to prevent.

I don't want the perfect do-all tool, I want the perfect do-only-one-thing-perfectly tool.
 
Got it! A Light-saber with biometric security!

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In all seriousness, a small Benchmade rescue hook would do fine, or just wait for them to pass out and use a peanut!
 
Google "fish safety knife" They might have something that could work for you. Most of their products have replaceable blades but perhaps they could make a version for you from unbreakable plastic riveted or glued together so the blade is inaccessible
 
I could definitely see people in your situation not being able or not being safe to fight back over a tool such as this. Probably the best thing in that case is to not make the tool obvious and not make it incredibly valuable and to keep it concealed.
Something like the seatbelt cutters would be the safest if you run into someone who has a desire to hurt you with the item but it is not the best fot cutting ever material someone might hang themselves with, such as metal wire or something that won't fit well in the hook section.
As for something that is encased in tungsten I don't think this is needed. I think that if it gets permanently close then they aren't going to have the means or time to cut through it whether it is a plastic knife handle or a hardened steel. Besides if they wanted to stab someone they would probably go get a normal knife from somewhere than fight to open a device.

Other problem is that if you want something that snaps closed and stays shut you are talking about something with built up energy and moving parts. You also want this to be able to withstand a lot of presure that someone might need to put on it to cut a noose.

The most important thing I think is probably a blunt tip. Past that if the tool is concealed then i don't think someone taking it from you is a big issue because no one will know you have it until you actually have to cut someone down, and hopefully you can do that quickly and dispose of the tool if you need to.
 
A can of pepper spray or MACE into the faces of the other people standing around watching might keep them from ganging up on the responders. Just sayin'.
 
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