Norfleet- Whats up with this dude?

[boondocks45]

I was trying to find out some insight into what was going on with the Norfleet knives guy. I am not making fun of anyone. And as for the othe two guys, they can go fish.
I was doing a search into Gilbert Norfleet and if anyone else had a problem with getting their knife, or even a response. I'm not saying he is no good. I don't know.
I ran across this thread and I thought I would find an answere here. That's all. I have never been on forums before. Not sure how this stuff works. Sorry.

 

[Jignpop]

Ordered a knife from him,never got it,I think he is still taking orders,crazy

 

[magnumb]

One's credibility is always a factor when $ is involved, no matter today, 8 years ago or 50 years ago. When we purchase something, especially custom made and we have had no prior experience with this particular provider, our suspicions about one's credibility are naturally heightened.......or should be. Yes....we should all do our 'homework' first in an effort to diminish our intended providers credibility issues, but that doesn't always happen and in the perfect world, we wouldn't need to do that.

That 'boondocks45' decided to piggy-back with a post 8 years after the original post involving the same maker and his current concerns that he now has through no fault of his own, should be welcomed by fellow BF members as a possible 'heads-up' rather than an admonishment for choosing to post on a 8 year old thread and because he's a 'newbie', his comments should somehow hold less weight and veracity than those with much higher post count's (BTW - since this attitude is so prevelent here......what is that magic # of posts were we just automatically accept one's comments as the absolute truth and that member beyond reproach ....)?

'boondocks' approached this matter with the intent to do 2 things.....IMHO. Both of them ultimately benefit all BF members. He sought out any info regarding this 'seller/maker' that might help him to better deal with this man going forward and he also allowed us all a reasonable/fact based 'heads-up' given the 8 year old original posts stated issues and his very current issue with this 'seller/maker'. I, for one, don't plan to immediately discount using this 'seller/maker' in the future, but I also certainly will have certain safeguards in place if I do happen to choose to retain his services. Another member has now also posted his less than stellar experience with this 'seller/maker', so it would seem that 'boondocks45' has helped to bring to our attention what any reasonable BF member would hope and expect from all fellow members......whether that information is brought forth from a 'newbie' or not.

I know that I appreciate the heads-up..........thanks 'boondocks45' and good luck to both you and Jignpop and to any others out there that might have experienced similiar issues with this 'seller/maker'.

 

[Esav Benyamin]

what is that magic # of posts were we just automatically accept one's comments as the absolute truth and that member beyond reproach ....)?

Oh, about 50,000 or 60,000 posts, something like that.

 

[hoppes no9]

One's credibility is always a factor when $ is involved, no matter today, 8 years ago or 50 years ago. When we purchase something, especially custom made and we have had no prior experience with this particular provider, our suspicions about one's credibility are naturally heightened.......or should be. Yes....we should all do our 'homework' first in an effort to diminish our intended providers credibility issues, but that doesn't always happen and in the perfect world, we wouldn't need to do that.

That 'boondocks45' decided to piggy-back with a post 8 years after the original post involving the same maker and his current concerns that he now has through no fault of his own, should be welcomed by fellow BF members as a possible 'heads-up' rather than an admonishment for choosing to post on a 8 year old thread and because he's a 'newbie', his comments should somehow hold less weight and veracity than those with much higher post count's (BTW - since this attitude is so prevelent here......what is that magic # of posts were we just automatically accept one's comments as the absolute truth and that member beyond reproach ....)?

'boondocks' approached this matter with the intent to do 2 things.....IMHO. Both of them ultimately benefit all BF members. He sought out any info regarding this 'seller/maker' that might help him to better deal with this man going forward and he also allowed us all a reasonable/fact based 'heads-up' given the 8 year old original posts stated issues and his very current issue with this 'seller/maker'. I, for one, don't plan to immediately discount using this 'seller/maker' in the future, but I also certainly will have certain safeguards in place if I do happen to choose to retain his services. Another member has now also posted his less than stellar experience with this 'seller/maker', so it would seem that 'boondocks45' has helped to bring to our attention what any reasonable BF member would hope and expect from all fellow members......whether that information is brought forth from a 'newbie' or not.

I know that I appreciate the heads-up..........thanks 'boondocks45' and good luck to both you and Jignpop and to any others out there that might have experienced similiar issues with this 'seller/maker'.

Well said.

 

[magnumb]

Oh, about 50,000 or 60,000 posts, something like that.

I'm thinkin'.......at a minimum...........

 

[Esav Benyamin]

The only rule I know of that we have on resurrecting threads is in the Exchange, where Spark said if it's over 120 days, contact the seller offline.

If there is any thread that should be resurrected, though, it is one like this, warning people who they might be making a mistake dealing with.

 

[craytab]

One's credibility is always a factor when $ is involved, no matter today, 8 years ago or 50 years ago. When we purchase something, especially custom made and we have had no prior experience with this particular provider, our suspicions about one's credibility are naturally heightened.......or should be. Yes....we should all do our 'homework' first in an effort to diminish our intended providers credibility issues, but that doesn't always happen and in the perfect world, we wouldn't need to do that.

That 'boondocks45' decided to piggy-back with a post 8 years after the original post involving the same maker and his current concerns that he now has through no fault of his own, should be welcomed by fellow BF members as a possible 'heads-up' rather than an admonishment for choosing to post on a 8 year old thread and because he's a 'newbie', his comments should somehow hold less weight and veracity than those with much higher post count's (BTW - since this attitude is so prevelent here......what is that magic # of posts were we just automatically accept one's comments as the absolute truth and that member beyond reproach ....)?

'boondocks' approached this matter with the intent to do 2 things.....IMHO. Both of them ultimately benefit all BF members. He sought out any info regarding this 'seller/maker' that might help him to better deal with this man going forward and he also allowed us all a reasonable/fact based 'heads-up' given the 8 year old original posts stated issues and his very current issue with this 'seller/maker'. I, for one, don't plan to immediately discount using this 'seller/maker' in the future, but I also certainly will have certain safeguards in place if I do happen to choose to retain his services. Another member has now also posted his less than stellar experience with this 'seller/maker', so it would seem that 'boondocks45' has helped to bring to our attention what any reasonable BF member would hope and expect from all fellow members......whether that information is brought forth from a 'newbie' or not.

I know that I appreciate the heads-up..........thanks 'boondocks45' and good luck to both you and Jignpop and to any others out there that might have experienced similiar issues with this 'seller/maker'.

Why not start a new thread about this? After all, it will immediately show in search results more instances of scumbagery that posting in an 8 year old thread will hide on the surface. Once you piggy back on to an 8 year old thread you then get other people commenting and responding on a situation (the OP) that has happened long ago and those that posted it will never see. Again, the OP has not logged back in here for 8 years.

A new thread on this subject will get additional Google hits leading to more awareness of the issue.

Further, coming here to make your first post about a bad experience says something. It says you didn't do your research here and you are only using this forum to say you got screwed. While there is some value to the community knowing about stuff like this and who not to deal with, as a community there is much more value in reiterating the classic things we always preach not to do. Boondocks45 did one of these things. Pay a maker up front in full. Had he spent some time here before getting screwed he would have seen this is a practice we highly discourage.

Folks, don't pay a maker up front in full, don't pay with paypal goods, do proper research before a purchase not after, if selling package your item properly and pay for insurance. Spend any time here and you will see these common themes. 99% of negative threads here in the GB&U revolve around these issues, including this one.

Why folks do enough research to resurrect an 8 year old thread only after they have gotten screwed I will never understand. Why not take that time and do the research before you hand someone your money? And why not start your own thread?

 

[boondocks45]

Why not start a new thread about this? After all, it will immediately show in search results more instances of scumbagery that posting in an 8 year old thread will hide on the surface. Once you piggy back on to an 8 year old thread you then get other people commenting and responding on a situation (the OP) that has happened long ago and those that posted it will never see. Again, the OP has not logged back in here for 8 years.

A new thread on this subject will get additional Google hits leading to more awareness of the issue.

Further, coming here to make your first post about a bad experience says something. It says you didn't do your research here and you are only using this forum to say you got screwed. While there is some value to the community knowing about stuff like this and who not to deal with, as a community there is much more value in reiterating the classic things we always preach not to do. Boondocks45 did one of these things. Pay a maker up front in full. Had he spent some time here before getting screwed he would have seen this is a practice we highly discourage.

Folks, don't pay a maker up front in full, don't pay with paypal goods, do proper research before a purchase not after, if selling package your item properly and pay for insurance. Spend any time here and you will see these common themes. 99% of negative threads here in the GB&U revolve around these issues, including this one.

Why folks do enough research to resurrect an 8 year old thread only after they have gotten screwed I will never understand. Why not take that time and do the research before you hand someone your money? And why not start your own thread?

Thank you to all for letting me know about my poor forum etiquette. I will start my own thread.

 

[magnumb]

I understand your sentiment and in most cases I would agree with you. However, if you read and then accept 'boondocks45's' post as written, the main thrust of his post deals with trying to gather helpful information and past experiences of our members with this particular 'seller/maker' rather than trying to bash and/or disparage anyone. He seems both very straightforward and honest in his delivery and leaves the belittling and disparaging hallmarks of most of these threads completely out of his post.

I don't really lean either way on starting a new thread or not, but if push came to shove, I believe that Esav's assessment/opinion of that point is well taken. I also feel that this 'audience' can be tough to play to....especially for a 'less senior' member. So rather than question, assume and probe a member who has shown no malice or vengeful motive whatsoever from his posts, a little slack might be in order, especially when only one person is coming out on the short end of his dealings with the 'seller/maker'........and it ain't the 'seller/maker'.

'boondocks45's' initial post was about as tame a post that I can recall when a deal/transaction has been less than positive. Whether a new thread or not should have been started or whether he has 1 post or 60,000 posts............he has a very legitimate gripe, as would you, you and you. So rather than cause a victim to feel just a bit more victimized by how we react to his honest and 'matter of fact, here's a heads-up' post, accept his post as was obviously intended and if you have any insight into what could be going on with this 'seller/maker' which was all that was clearly requested from the get-go...........help the guy out. No need to insinuate this or that nor try to find fault in such inconsequential things such as thread placement. Especially when said placement is truly a non-issue toss up anyway, when just bringing it up might give any contributing member the impression that he or she has been somewhat targeted by the subjects friends when all that he really wanted to do was to get a little constructive help and some encouragement and in turn, give us a heads-up. If nothing else, 'boondocks45' did his part.

'Course, what do I know.....? I'm a good 50,000 posts shy of being believable.........

 

[craytab]

Thank you to all for letting me know about my poor forum etiquette. I will start my own thread.

I think starting your own thread is a great idea. It will add to the number of threads about this situation and bring more attention to it. Looking forward to what you post!

I understand your sentiment and in most cases I would agree with you. However, if you read and then accept 'boondocks45's' post as written, the main thrust of his post deals with trying to gather helpful information and past experiences of our members with this particular 'seller/maker' rather than trying to bash and/or disparage anyone. He seems both very straightforward and honest in his delivery and leaves the belittling and disparaging hallmarks of most of these threads completely out of his post.

I don't really lean either way on starting a new thread or not, but if push came to shove, I believe that Esav's assessment/opinion of that point is well taken. I also feel that this 'audience' can be tough to play to....especially for a 'less senior' member. So rather than question, assume and probe a member who has shown no malice or vengeful motive whatsoever from his posts, a little slack might be in order, especially when only one person is coming out on the short end of his dealings with the 'seller/maker'........and it ain't the 'seller/maker'.

'boondocks45's' initial post was about as tame a post that I can recall when a deal/transaction has been less than positive. Whether a new thread or not should have been started or whether he has 1 post or 60,000 posts............he has a very legitimate gripe, as would you, you and you. So rather than cause a victim to feel just a bit more victimized by how we react to his honest and 'matter of fact, here's a heads-up' post, accept his post as was obviously intended and if you have any insight into what could be going on with this 'seller/maker' which was all that was clearly requested from the get-go...........help the guy out. No need to insinuate this or that nor try to find fault in such inconsequential things such as thread placement. Especially when said placement is truly a non-issue toss up anyway, when just bringing it up might give any contributing member the impression that he or she has been somewhat targeted by the subjects friends when all that he really wanted to do was to get a little constructive help and some encouragement and in turn, give us a heads-up. If nothing else, 'boondocks45' did his part.

'Course, what do I know.....? I'm a good 50,000 posts shy of being believable.........

I believe you are talking to me so I guess I will respond. He only has a legitimate grip in showing that this maker is dubious. But let us not forget, he let himself be taken.

First evidence is this:

I paid him in full in August 2013, and still no knife.

Spend any time here and you will see that paying in full before your work is done is a bad move, just like paying with paypal gift, or not insuring a package, or not properly package an item, or not doing your research on a maker.

Second, he only posted here after there was a problem. My warning to other folks reading this is to do your research BEFORE you buy, not after.

he has a very legitimate gripe, as would you, you and you.

I would not have this grip as I would have done my research on any maker I commission work with and I wouldn't have paid up front.

So rather than cause a victim to feel just a bit more victimized by how we react to his honest and 'matter of fact, here's a heads-up' post, accept his post as was obviously intended and if you have any insight into what could be going on with this 'seller/maker' which was all that was clearly requested from the get-go...........help the guy out.

Help a guy out? It looks to me like this guy is screwed. What I want to do is let anyone reading this to not only know about this maker but also how to protect themselves from getting screwed by anyone on here. It is the old give a man a fish thing.

No need to insinuate this or that nor try to find fault in such inconsequential things such as thread placement. Especially when said placement is truly a non-issue toss up anyway

It is a problem when other members come in and comment on a situation like it just happened, not noting the date on the OP. If you will notice those comments have been edited out. Starting a new thread helps keep the focus on the current on going situation and it adds to more people seeing multiple threads on the subject.

all that he really wanted to do was to get a little constructive help

I believe I did give plenty of constructive feedback. I am not holding his hand though. I stand by everything I said. Hopefully he will start his own thread. However, I will make many of the same points there as they are relevant for how not to get screwed.

 

[magnumb]

I think starting your own thread is a great idea. It will add to the number of threads about this situation and bring more attention to it. Looking forward to what you post!


It is a problem when other members come in and comment on a situation like it just happened, not noting the date on the OP. If you will notice those comments have been edited out. Starting a new thread helps keep the focus on the current on going situation and it adds to more people seeing multiple threads on the subject.


craytab - first of all, I have nothing personal against you, so my comments include others, not just you. I don't think that there's anything contained herein that is serious enough to take offense to nor to feel solely targeted.

Your 2 above quotes makes sense and are constructive and it seems that your main emphasis throughout most of this thread was to show 'boondocks45' why starting a new thread would be beneficial ('bring more attention to it', 'add to the # of threads', etc.) to his cause and our well being as fellow BF members. I couldn't agree more as to being supportive and giving constructive help to any member so willing to accept such.

My only thought having read this entire thread is that 'boondocks45's' first post elicited several subsequent comments that weren't nearly as constructive and amicable as these most recent posts. Had the earlier more negative posts started out as constructive, helpful and as courteous as these last few posts, he would never have needed to have felt guilty/chagrined enough to have openly apologized for his initial post. That he now has felt pressured enough to comply with the desires of a few and has stated that he will start yet another thread concerning this same 'seller/maker', should make it rather obvious that the more helpful, constructive approach would have had the same exact effect, without making this member feel like he'd done something 'wrong'......'wrong' enough to feel that he needed to apologize to 'whomever'.

I'm hoping that these last constructive posts would have ocurred without mine and others intervention, but if one's main emphasis and goal all along was to help guide a less knowlegable member in the 'right' direction (suggesting that he start a new thread), why couldn't that have been the content of the more senior, knowledgable members very first response and post to the inquiring member, rather than the comments made which were totally void of any constructive 'guidance'......?

New and old members alike have this in common......we're always learnin'........

 

[David Stifle]

Post deleted.

 

[magnumb]

The two issues are not connected. One is very old, one isn't. Judge a man if you will, but do it based on current information. I think the Op should make his case, or not, based on what is happening now. I view the digging up of such old data as irrelevant and in the realm of dirty tricks. Sorry (shrug), that's my two cents worth.

"Hey dad, I'm goin' out, be back late". "Who you goin' out with..."? "Ahhhh.......Dick Weed". "Hey! Isn't that the guy down the street that was arrested for domestic violence on his last girl friend and was charged at least a couple times before...."? "I think so, but that was years ago". "OK honey.....have a great time"!!

It seems that you are also somewhat discounting Jignpop's very current post and have given a pass to Mr. Norfleet as even after all these years (as you have eluded to), he has failed to produce the only outstanding email that MPE requested of him to post for all to see. If not detrimental to his argument....why not?

I get the 'forgive and forget' attitude......to a point. But when actions of another can be easily construed as theft or fraud, my tolerance for forgiveness becomes non-existent. So, I quite intentionally don't make blanket statements that my outlook on life truly doesn't embrace. I have a healthy respect for both observation and historical and very, very current 'data'.

If we all were to follow your 2 cents worth (which would be nice, if it always worked out as we'd hope and liked), the court system would never be allowed to introduce a persons past criminal behavior. A jury would need to view first time offender Doogie Howser in the exactly the same light as multiple murderer, Charles Manson. Exaggerated.......yep, but the premise is exactly the same.

So yes.......this was his first post and it was placed in this section of the forum as you pointed out so succinctly in your first post. As Esav said, what better place for it....? Try to remember.........'boondocks45' didn't ask to be a victim, whether he did his due diligence or not in vetting this 'seller/maker'. If everyone was honest, craytab and others wouldn't need to continually reprimand others for not doing so. But we are not all honest and those with a history of dishonesty should not receive the same benefit of the doubt when issues such as these arise.

You're having a sleepover.........you gonna invite Doogie or Charles.....? Sleep light.........

 

[David Stifle]

"Hey dad, I'm goin' out, be back late". "Who you goin' out with..."? "Ahhhh.......Dick Weed". "Hey! Isn't that the guy down the street that was arrested for domestic violence on his last girl friend and was charged at least a couple times before...."? "I think so, but that was years ago". "OK honey.....have a great time"!!

It seems that you are also somewhat discounting Jignpop's very current post and have given a pass to Mr. Norfleet as even after all these years (as you have eluded to), he has failed to produce the only outstanding email that MPE requested of him to post for all to see. If not detrimental to his argument....why not?

I get the 'forgive and forget' attitude......to a point. But when actions of another can be easily construed as theft or fraud, my tolerance for forgiveness becomes non-existent. So, I quite intentionally don't make blanket statements that my outlook on life truly doesn't embrace. I have a healthy respect for both observation and historical and very, very current 'data'.

If we all were to follow your 2 cents worth (which would be nice, if it always worked out as we'd hope and liked), the court system would never be allowed to introduce a persons past criminal behavior. A jury would need to view first time offender Doogie Howser in the exactly the same light as multiple murderer, Charles Manson. Exaggerated.......yep, but the premise is exactly the same.

So yes.......this was his first post and it was placed in this section of the forum as you pointed out so succinctly in your first post. As Esav said, what better place for it....? Try to remember.........'boondocks45' didn't ask to be a victim, whether he did his due diligence or not in vetting this 'seller/maker'. If everyone was honest, craytab and others wouldn't need to continually reprimand others for not doing so. But we are not all honest and those with a history of dishonesty should not receive the same benefit of the doubt when issues such as these arise.

You're having a sleepover.........you gonna invite Doogie or Charles.....? Sleep light.........

The fact is I re-thought my position and deleted my post, although I see you are replying to it before the delete. I also see he posted his position in a separate post, and I am quite happy to see where it goes from there.

 

[RevDevil]

Alright guys, let's not beat the obvious to death. Bickering is not helping anyone here.

 

[magnumb]

"But let us not forget, he let himself be taken".

"I stand by everything I said."



Not a problem....will do, but the above quotes certainly suggest that what's quite clearly obvious for some as it should be, is as clear as mud for a few others.