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tallwingedgoat

tallwingedgoat

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Dirk by Manfred Sachse

I'll let the pictures speak for themselves.

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My, my, my. As art, it's absolutely unparalleled. I must say that the grip type is one I've seen and handled before, it's an old European pattern used by, among others, the Nazis. (But they didn't originate it, and this isn't related to those thank God(s).)

Anyways...it's absolutely gorgeous.

Jim
 
Hans Holbein style. Artist and portrait painter, and beautiful knife. The Holbein Daggers I don't care much for, something to do with the style. This one is exquisite, however.
 
Rusty, the reason you're getting "faint bad vibes" is because it looks like a Nazi "Youth Dagger" or other presentation knife. It's not related to those, it's a copy of a much older style Hitler was also fond of, but those of us who've been to US gun shows invariably see and get disgusted by the Nazi pieces.

At gun shows, you'll see a table sometimes with just ONE piece of Nazi memorabilia, usually one of those damn daggers. In such cases you're often seeing a subtle "message" to other like-minded and I avoid such tables like the plague.

In other cases you'll see a mixture of all types of WW2 memorabilia, Japanese, Allied, Nazi. That guy is less likely to be a white supremecist and more likely is a genuine serious collector...ironically, he could have a lot MORE Nazi stuff on his table and yet have his head on straighter than the guy with just one piece.

Weird, ain't it?

Jim
 
Nope Jim, not what you think. Holbein was out of the 16th century. Among his many portraits was the one of Martin Luther. So we are talking age of Reformation/Counter- Reformation, rather than 3rd Reich.

( Incidentally I have a sneaking suspicion the true significance of the Reformation/ Counter- Reformation era had almost nothing to do with Catholic/ Protestants differences at all. If you'll notice, while the high mucky-mucks of both sides were fighting each other the mystics in the monasteries on both sides were developing the 12 spiritual disciplines, and by the time the church leaders could be bothered to notice, the disciplines were too entrenched to do anything about. )

No, what gets me about the above dagger is it's too churriguresque for my particular tastes. Come to think of it, that was my reaction to the banspati too. The decoration is way too much and distracts from the core, the essential spirit of the knife. Too Newari for me, even if I know there's a real blade underneath the jewelry.

Thanks for putting it up Goat, it's certainly something to be appreciated. It also helped me define what put me off about the banspati I handled.

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It's a work of fine art!

goat.
Correct me if I,m wrong in my guess - the reason behind your posting of Dirk's pix is because somehow it has some sort of "Chakma"and "Karda"!

Pakcik Bill.
I think this is my 1st time to see a western blade that has those "Chakma" and "Karda" - is there any other blade (other than Khukuri) that has those lil' brothers in the rig?
 
Just off the top of my head, no. The double ones I recall were a big skinner and a little caper in the same sheath, and steels for sharpening weren't used in the field much. A stone was carried usually separately, but sometimes in a sheath pouch, however if there was a stone, there wasn't a second knife and vice - versa. At least for the set-ups I've seen from the last 70-80 years.
 
There is a magazine article on the 2+ knives in one scabbard by Durwood Hollis in the December 1999 Blade issue.

See "Dec. Blade magazine article" topic.
 
Uncle Bill,

Unfortunately I do not know it's size.

Mohd,

Yes, initially I did see the resemblence. Seems to be a universal idea.

I was contacted by a Mr. Falcone, a German customer of H.I. and Mr. Sachse. He identified this type as a Swiss Dagger. Mr. Sachse is sadly (for us) retired.
 
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Incredibly lovely Richard.

I guess it's kind of strange that that particular style of dagger,sword is one of my favorites.
I often thought that I would like to have one of those even if it was the nazi one with the embellishements of the third reich removed.

What is perhaps not as strange is how my tastes have changed over the years in what I feel is a desirable using knife.
I didn't realize in my younger days that the "Old Hickory"
butcher knife I carried so much of the time was a much better user than the style above.
That particular overall style remains one of my favorite "pretty knives" though.

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Usually the accessory knives on European sheaths were eating utensils. Sometimes a fork and food/utility blade, sometimes a blade and skewer. This combo seems to have been especially common in Germanic knives though not restricted too that area.

That is a very beautiful blade.

Jim March,
I'm glad I'm not the only person that picks up on those strategically placed Nazi knives and memerobelia. I refuse to do business with people at shows that I get that feeling from. On more than one occasion I've aborted a deal at a knife show because I looked down at the table and saw one of those KKK pocket knives.

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Paul Davidson

Them:"What's that clipped to your pocket, a beeper?"
Me:"Uuh....yeah, something like that."


 
Paul, ya, it's an issue. I talked to one guy who was not a "gun rights activist" of any sort but bought some large-scale food ration kits at a Florida gun show. It wasn't until he got home that he found a packet full of Aryan Nations BS in one of the boxes. Understand, this was totally unasked-for. It took some doing but we tracked down the vendor and complained to the gun show promoter. The gun shows are in enough political trouble without that sort of BS.

None of that is any negative reflection on this knife pictured.

Jim
 
On page 40 of Knives '98, it shows a Knife-steel combination called The Bushman, with a 7" butcher type knife, and a steel. It says it was made in Sheffield, and was popular in South, and East Africa just after WWII.
 
tallwingedgoat is right. What you see here is a replica of a 16th century dagger from switzerland. Even the sheat is made like the sheat of the best originals. It was thought to be a hunting weapon to kill animals which were shot, wounded, but not dead, like the german Nicker (for deer) and Hirschfänger (for stag). Skewer and small knife were for eating in the field. It is just one of the many impressive damascus steel pieces i have seen from Manfred Sachse, who lives about 40 miles from me. I have seen a dagger with similar sheat, but not with a damascus blade, made by swiss jeweler and knifemaker Arthur Soppera.

The form of the swiss dagger was unfortunately copied from the nazis to make their SA and SS daggers, not the youth dagger, which was in fact a cheaply made small single edge hunting knife.

Achim
 
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