Not a rant, but needs to be said

[on_the_edge]

I think his true point is... that he is tired of hearing people whine about the exchange price's. As am I. Thats all... he's not talking about price or anything some have mentioned... just tired of all the whining of late about exchange price's falling.

I don't agree with every thing he say's as all buyer's are differant and we will never all have the same buying/selling methods.
But I do for the most part since he's mainly say'ing, Stop all the whining just because you can't make money or break even on a knife. I agree with that, and am kinda tired of it myself.

Ken,
As you indicated (and rightfully so), not everyone has to agree with what I said in my initial post. I do appreciate you simplifying the point I was trying to make, as well as the many folks who have taken the time to read this thread carefully. Thanks! :thumbup:

 

[Cpl Punishment]

Actually, it's worth $0.00 until someone expresses an interest in purchasing it.

Your knife is not legal tender, nor is it an equity. Perhaps you worked for Lehman befroe the collapse?

No, it'd still be worth $400 -- to me.
It's only worth $0 if no one wanted it, including me.

Although I think we'd agree that nothing, nothing has "intrinsic" value. It's only worth what someone will give and another will take in trade.


As for the point of the thread, the big thing I got from the OP was for the seller to stop whining because they can't get what they want for the knife they are selling. Yep, fine to cover your ass on price and such, but no whining if it just isn't worth that to anyone else.

 

[tinman44]

Well before I was introduced to busse knives I had never heard of them. It is a odd affair for people to buy up as many as their cards can get them, then hold a few months then sell for profit. Fair? sure. Wierd? sure. My thing is if this didnt happen, lets say people only bought for themselves, perhaps more people would have them. Perhaps there wouldnt be such a demand because supply wouldnt be snatched up. Is that good? Well it could perhaps drive down prices, maybe. This is definately a wierd market compared to most. Its almost similar to used ferraris and used H1 hummers. You have to know how to get them. I complain or mumble quietly but I still pay what it takes to get the blade I want. I see where the op is coming from. Its a catch 22 in my opinion. Damned if you do and damned if you dont. Isnt that life though?

 

[Guyon]

as well as the many folks who have taken the time to read this thread carefully.

Some of us did read carefully...

Buy it because you can afford it, you think you will love it, and because you think you will never get rid of it (all 3 should be present). You may use it or just look at it. Whatever the case, it does not really matter because when you get it, it is yours forever. At least that is what you genuinely hope. BUT...

Do not buy just to have. Do not buy it because it is uber-rare, super-cool, is very desireable by someone else (or was, will be, or could be), is a great price now, it might increase in value in the future, or it is the perfect thing to deanimate the next zombie you happen upon. Don't buy it to fund your kids' education or supplement Social Security. Yes, someone always eventually gets lucky and wins the lottery, but it will not likely be you or anyone you know.

Again, what makes one person's mandate here the sole arbiter of why a person buys a Busse? If I want to buy one because it is "uber-rare, supercool...desirable," then that's my business.

When going to the secondary market, things like unanticipated expenses, especially those regarding health, are acceptable. Things like, "I got it because I thought I could use it or I would love it, but now I see I can't use it and won't love it" or "I can't use this anymore" or "I don't have room anymore for this" are acceptable. Thoughts like, "I can use this to trade into or buy something more desireable to me" are fine.

When folks start trying to define what is "acceptable" and what isn't for other folks, it's time to get down off the high horse. The only thing that is unacceptable is burning someone on a deal. That's why we have a GB&U forum. I can think of only one other instance that bothered me. That was when a buyer had already cut a deal on a Busse, and someone went behind his back to the seller and tried to buy the knife out from under him. That's borderline bad behavior to me. It's one thing to scoop a knife out from under someone in plain sight at a show, but it's another thing to do it anonymously behind the scenes.

Whining because you can't sell something, mostly because you have an expectation that someone owes it to you to cover your initial costs when you sell or, even worse, owes you some self-determined level of profit is...well, let's just say "irritating"!!! Yep, nobody likes to "lose" $$, but look at it this way: "I got it for $500, sold it for $475, and it only cost me $25 to hold, swing, fondle, use, blah blah blah. What a deal!!!" If you can't absorb the cost of selling something for less than what you paid for it, then maybe you should not have bought it in the first place.

Frankly, I don't see all this whining. And I don't believe I've ever sold a Busse for less than I've paid. I'm not sure why there should be an obligation to lose money on a sale. Prices on the knives I sell always cover my costs. If the knife doesn't sell, I hang onto it and try again later. Sorry, but I sure don't feel like it's my duty to lose money so that others can get the deal they want.

 

[resinguy]

Frankly, I don't see all this whining. And I don't believe I've ever sold a Busse for less than I've paid. I'm not sure why there should be an obligation to lose money on a sale. Prices on the knives I sell always cover my costs. If the knife doesn't sell, I hang onto it and try again later. Sorry, but I sure don't feel like it's my duty to lose money so that others can get the deal they want.

Well, I think there has been some complaining by sellers who could not move their knives, and I took OTE's post as directed at that kind of whining along with some advice about not having unrealistic expectations. I don't see him suggesting that sellers might have a duty to lose money.

I'm sitting on knives that I know won't sell except at a loss, so I don't offer them and I don't complain.

I have learned not to shop at the skunker store at 2:00am after too much bourbon.

 

[Guyon]

Well, I think there has been some complaining by sellers who could not move their knives, and I took OTE's post as directed at that kind of whining along with some advice about not having unrealistic expectations. I don't see him suggesting that sellers might have a duty to lose money.

I'm sitting on knives that I know won't sell except at a loss, so I don't offer them and I don't complain.

I have learned not to shop at the skunker store at 2:00am after too much bourbon.

Guy, if that's the case, then the write-up could have been (a) more directly aimed at that particular point, maybe by addressing its intended audience earlier and more precisely and (b) written in a less-directorial tone and case. It comes across as "here's the only acceptable way for everyone" rather than as "advice that whining folks might want to consider."

I'm not sure why I continue to press this point. Maybe I just don't like mandates, and that's how the OP comes across, even if such was not the intention of the poster.

I have a few that won't sell for what I paid. A Sus Scrofa comes to mind. Rather than complain, I'll keep it and eventually get it modded into something that should be pretty cool. As for the rest, I plan to start offering free hot-air balloon rides and a year's worth of oil changes with any purchase.

 

[resinguy]

Yes, I have two Scrofi.

Will you deliver and do the oil change here in my driveway?

 

[Grimspoon]

Resinguy, if you make a post talking up how great of a knife you think the SOW is, and how everyone should own one...

...I'll start one professing my love for the sus scrofa. :thumbup:


That should totally work!

 

[dobywon]

What are you selling Guyon, I have never been in a hot-air ballon, that would be sweet to get a piece of Infi and then go up in a ballon. :thumbup:

And come to think of it, it is time for a oil change

 

[Guyon]

I agree that we need to start a "The Sus Scrofa is the Greatest Busse Ever Made" thread. :thumbup:

BTW it's not just any old hot air balloon.

*Actually, I took this picture in Bath, England a few years back.

 

[suttond]

I buy what ever I want (if I can afford it) and sell what every I want. And I don't feel the need to explain my justification to anybody.

 

[foxyrick]

Resinguy, if you make a post talking up how great of a knife you think the SOW is, and how everyone should own one...

...I'll start one professing my love for the sus scrofa. :thumbup:


That should totally work!

No chance, not now we've read what you're up to!

How dumb do you think we are???

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Do you really love that scrofa? I've got 500 notes burning a hole in my pocket...

 

[Barb-B-Q]

Deleted by BBQ

 

[resinguy]

Resinguy, if you make a post talking up how great of a knife you think the SOW is, and how everyone should own one...

...I'll start one professing my love for the sus scrofa. :thumbup:


That should totally work!

Yeah, well, I've got two of those, as well... and I can't even blame the booze! Just too much Kool Aid as a Busse noob.

And mine haven't been held by "Teh Grimspoon"!!

 

[dduangrat]

I think his point is that the sellers are dispicable for wanting a couple hundred dollars premium on their blades. Especially knowing full well that all they do is buy them only to flip it a couple weeks later. Like those during the real estate hey days.

This is a Busse enthusiasts forum. Pure and simple. I like to think myself as such, as well as many of you on here, but now it's attracting greedy wankers...pure and simple. Posers!

This is a rant.

EDIT....well I can't speak for him so, I think that the seller are dispicable for wanting a couple hundred dollars premium on their blades.

 

[giant1]

I think his point is that the sellers are dispicable for wanting a couple hundred dollars premium on their blades. Especially knowing full well that all they do is buy them only to flip it a couple weeks later. Like those during the real estate hey days.

This is a Busse enthusiasts forum. Pure and simple. I like to think myself as such, as well as many of you on here, but now it's attracting greedy wankers...pure and simple. Posers!

This is a rant.

EDIT....well I can't speak for him so, I think that the seller are dispicable for wanting a couple hundred dollars premium on their blades.

No use getting upset about prices one way or another. It's a free market!!!

Just apply the rule: BUYER BE AWARE!! Like you would in any transaction.

There is no doubt that some of the prices asked are ridiculous but it's only a problem if you get sucked in.

There will always be plenty of others to choose from which are correctly priced

 

[Barb-B-Q]

I have recently had the opposite happen to me. Had someone try to lowball me on items we were discussing via e-mail. They wanted to pay less than original purchase price, have me pay shipping and PayPal fees. I told them I wasn't trying to make a killing, but I would keep the knives before I would give them away! It just depends on what the seller & buyer thinks is a good deal. If everyone is happy, then so be it!

Time to sit back and cheer on the COLTS!!

 

[paua]

Take a breath. Close your eyes. Imagine you only have five seconds left in this world. This is not some hypothetical situation. We all are going to face our ending someday. Since we are going to leave this world, why does it matter whether we can sell our knives at their purchase price or even make some profit? You enjoy your knives. I think that's the only thing should matter. I am surprised to see these complains when our motto is "no regret!".

 

[Jerry Busse]

Take a breath. Close your eyes. Imagine you only have five seconds left in this world. This is not some hypothetical situation. We all are going to face our ending someday. Since we are going to leave this world, why does it matter whether we can sell our knives at their purchase price or even make some profit? You enjoy your knives. I think that's the only thing should matter. I am surprised to see these complains when our motto is "no regrets!" .

Paua sums it up perfectly!!!. . . . Genius!!!!! :thumbup: Nice Job!!!!


NO REGRETS!!!!!!! :thumbup:


Let's Drink!!!!

Jerry











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