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They are basically the same knife. Horseman is just a mini cqc8. Both are amazing knives. If you actually plan on carrying it I would go horseman. Just my suggestion.
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They are basically the same knife. Horseman is just a mini cqc8. Both are amazing knives. If you actually plan on carrying it I would go horseman. Just my suggestion.
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They are all three the same knife in different sizes, from smallest to largest; Horseman, cqc8, Super cqc8.
The Super 8 is friggin huge. The 8 is a great family of knives though.
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Opposite, lock is Ti other side is steel.
Any idea why Emerson does it that way? I don't get why the softer ti would be on hardened steel. And any idea a good price for a cqc8?
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Emerson uses a liner lock as created by its inventor Mr. Walker. The liner lock is designed so that way the softer titanium sticks to the tang of the knife on purpose by design.
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I have a few Emersons, quite a few actually (too many, truth be told) - all production models.
They are certainly not for everyone, kinda like old Dodge Power Wagons, a Suzuki DR650 dual sport or Browning Auto-5 shotguns, great if you like them ... and I do, on all counts - but many do not see grasp their lure.
Whether it's marketing or legitimate personal values (I trust the latter) Ernie's view of the world jibes with mine and there is a connection there. I also like Ethan Becker and Anne Reeve (as well as their knives) and support their brands with my purchases and otherwise.
Disclaimer(s) out of the way, my response(s) on topic:
The "Eights" are my favorite; I most often grab one of my CQC-8s for EDC but the Horseman (Mini-8) does seem to carry the best and is large enough for most EDC-type chores. It is more comfortable for me when i ride one of the bikes with higher foot pegs.
Just about all knives have attributes and shortcomings; with these characteristics sometimes being subjective. In a field knife some see 1095 (or any of its carbon steel cousins) as a detriment while many of us see it as a benefit. Likewise with the chisel Emerson uses - though a truly wish it were on the right side for the few of us that are right handed! Photo/glamour shots notwithstanding. value is in the eye of the beholder, remember old Power Wagons, the DR650 and Browning Auto-5s?
Measured solely through the matrix of materials, fit, finish and price - I can see where some could pitch a bitch; however, enter ergos, customer service, made in the USA ... Ernie and the appreciation comes into focus,even if you're not a high speed/low drag black bag off-the-books operator doing stuff that ain't being done in some part of the world that you're not officially in.
They are certainly not for everyone, kinda like old Dodge Power Wagons, a Suzuki DR650 dual sport or Browning Auto-5 shotguns, great if you like them ... and I do, on all counts - but many do not see grasp their lure.
Whether it's marketing or legitimate personal values (I trust the latter) Ernie's view of the world jibes with mine and there is a connection there. I also like Ethan Becker and Anne Reeve (as well as their knives) and support their brands with my purchases and otherwise.
Disclaimer(s) out of the way, my response(s) on topic:
Ding, ding, ding - winner, winner, chicken dinner. The Kershaw Emersons are great values and a fantastic way to get your toe in the water so to speak.
The "Eights" are my favorite; I most often grab one of my CQC-8s for EDC but the Horseman (Mini-8) does seem to carry the best and is large enough for most EDC-type chores. It is more comfortable for me when i ride one of the bikes with higher foot pegs.
Just about all knives have attributes and shortcomings; with these characteristics sometimes being subjective. In a field knife some see 1095 (or any of its carbon steel cousins) as a detriment while many of us see it as a benefit. Likewise with the chisel Emerson uses - though a truly wish it were on the right side for the few of us that are right handed! Photo/glamour shots notwithstanding. value is in the eye of the beholder, remember old Power Wagons, the DR650 and Browning Auto-5s?
Measured solely through the matrix of materials, fit, finish and price - I can see where some could pitch a bitch; however, enter ergos, customer service, made in the USA ... Ernie and the appreciation comes into focus,even if you're not a high speed/low drag black bag off-the-books operator doing stuff that ain't being done in some part of the world that you're not officially in.
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Many people have made the comparison between Emersons and Harleys or old Muscle Cars. You either dig it and love it, or think it is an overpriced piece of junk, with very little in the middle.
I have a few Emerson knives and I understand them. No quality or function issues here.
What I struggle to understand is why someone who doesn't like them would get one. With all the choices there are in the world of blades why get something you're not a fan of?
What I struggle to understand is why someone who doesn't like them would get one. With all the choices there are in the world of blades why get something you're not a fan of?
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My son says he doesn't like some foods he's never had. I tell him at least try it before you decide you don't like it. Sometimes you may be pleasantly surprised.
For me, and only for me as I can't speak for others, I like knives and in this hobby it's more of a "why not" for me.
I can purchase a knife and if I don't like it put it on the exchange and be out a very small amount of $ (hopefully
).I see nothing wrong with stepping out of my comfort zone to see something, use something, feel something for myself.
It helps me form an opinion that is based on experience rather than an opinion based on pictures and assumptions alone.
I'm glad I did, actually.
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It's just that with my Emerson I want to pry that staple. I want to scrape that gasket, I want to do all that hard stuff I wouldn't want to do with my CRK. I realize Emerson's liner lock is quite dated and not the soup de jour but I think people often overestimate the strength of frame locks and underestimate liner locks.
Basically it is just a tough knife and that is part of its charm. Also I find the geometry of the chisel grind to make it deceptively sharp. If I was to sharpen my v ground knife to 15 degrees a side it will end up with 30 degrees total edge inclusive. If I sharpen a chisel grind to 15 degrees a side then the total edge angle is still 15 degrees, because the flat side's angle is 0 degrees.
Basically it is just a tough knife and that is part of its charm. Also I find the geometry of the chisel grind to make it deceptively sharp. If I was to sharpen my v ground knife to 15 degrees a side it will end up with 30 degrees total edge inclusive. If I sharpen a chisel grind to 15 degrees a side then the total edge angle is still 15 degrees, because the flat side's angle is 0 degrees.
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Just so you are aware, V edges can be made to be thinner behind the edge and a lower edge angle than a chisel grind/edge. The same is true in reverse. Either can be made to be more obtuse or acute than the other.
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I prefer Hinder and Crk in folders but picked up a Hd-7 about 6 months ago. I was surprised how much I like this knife. The Hd-7 has Solid ergonomics, smooth action and solid lock up. It’s a simple knife but has good fit and finish. I do feel that it was over priced but I carry it enough to justify the cost, in my mind.
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Of course a v edge ground to 5 degrees a side would be thinner than that hypohetical 15degree total chisel edge.
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Damn the HD7 is like one of the knives I desire more than anything. I haven't been able to get one.
This afternoon, I took my Horseman out to help with yard work. I scraped and cut wood, thick weed eater string, vines, and even sandpaper. I don’t baby my knives, but something about an Emerson screams to be beat on. Anticipating my use, I took my Rat 1 out of my pocket as to not beat up its new shiny edge. Putting a $200 knife in your pocket to get beat on and save a $30 one is what Emersons will do to ya! I believe they’re a little overpriced for what you get, but I’ve gotten 10 times the use out of this knife than any other I currently own, so this makes it more than worth it in my eyes. Try one out, you know you want to!
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I'm into Harleys and old trucks/Jeeps; imagine that!
I have a patch on the back of my 20+ year old DILLIGAF/IDCAI (I don't Care About It [but actually I do]) Event Vest (darned thing is too heavy to wear due to all of the patches from events I've attended) and it says, Harley Davidson - If I had to Explain It to You, You Wouldn't Understand. Maybe that could be an EKI patch.
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Man, do I hear ya!
My Rat-1s have that nice full flat grind (OK, with a modest secondary bevel) and they are my slicers. The Emersons are the tools.
IOW, I would have done the exact same thing.
Lol! Glad to see I am not alone. It just goes to show that, at least for me, price does not determine beater status.