Not pleased with Emerson

I don't think any of the Emerson knives including the Hard Wear line were ever Chinese made. I have some old catalogs where the original Hard Wear knives (lockbacks) were advertised as being made in Japan. The new ones are advertised as being liner-locks made in the USA.
 
I can't complain too much, as the knives I bought (A100, CQC7A,SARK) were all solidly made, and any complaints I have are to so with minor stuff like fit/finish.
The liners were different thicknesses on the A100 and CQC7A, one thick on the lock side, thin on the other, and vice versa on the other knife. The PARK was even in thickness, but both were very thin, like Byrd liners thin. No point at all in using titanium liners if you are going to make them this thin.
 
I've been using Emerson's for about a year, and just recently had a problem with my CQC 13. With a little pressure on the spine, the lock would slip. It never totally failed, but was a cause for alarm! I have several other Emerson's, all of which are in perfect working order. I called them up and they told me to send it in. I did and here it is, 10 days later, and I have my baby back! It looks like they replaced the liner because it now locks up really early and sticky, just like new!

That said, I have absolutely no complaints with Emerson. Sure, I spent $20 to ship it and for return shipping, but seriously, big deal. I now have a virtually brand new knife. Even if there are a few Emerson's with problems, their CS treated me so well, that I will continue to be a customer.

As far as the FF goes..... Yeah, it's a bit rough. Anyone who says different would be lying. Pivot screws that loosen?.... A dime will tighten it up. Chisel grind?...Initially a pain in the rear, but you get used to it. Part of the Emerson appeal is that they aren't 'pretty boy' knives, they're rough and tough, meant to be used. Perhaps it's these idiosyncrasies that have drawn me to them. Call me a fanboy if you want. I don't care. I buy them because I like them. People can rip on them all day long, but I will continue to buy them in confidence!
 
As far as the FF goes..... Yeah, it's a bit rough. Anyone who says different would be lying. Pivot screws that loosen?.... A dime will tighten it up. Chisel grind?...Initially a pain in the rear, but you get used to it.

If you don't mind, then that's cool. My $25 Kershaw never had anything loosen, knife is centered, grind is perfect. Same goes for my $21 G. Sakai, and my $65 Spyderco Horn. I guess I just expect more, for le$$.
 
If you don't mind, then that's cool. My $25 Kershaw never had anything loosen, knife is centered, grind is perfect. Same goes for my $21 G. Sakai, and my $65 Spyderco Horn. I guess I just expect more, for le$$.

I won't argue that you probably feel you've gotten your money's worth with those knives, but trying to compare any of those to an Emerson is like apples to oranges. They aren't anywhere close to the same league. To each his own!
 
I say the following with respect for you, not trying to be a jerk.

But what is it, then, that makes it worth so much more? Is their 154cm or whatever they're using worth $150 more than the AUS 8 in my Spydie? No doubt its a better steel, but pricewise is that the difference? Is their G10 worth $150 more than the lowly zytel on my Spydie? No doubt it is a better material, but is it worth that much more? Is their superior heat treat (for the sake of argument, let's say Emerson's is better) worth $150 or so more as well? Is the liner $150 more precious than the thinner weaker liner I have on my Kershaw Blitz?

I think we've been so brainwashed by marketing that says if a knife is made by a tough muscular guy with a respected military record, then by golly it's worth whatever he damm well charges for it. And I just don't get that.
 
I won't argue that you probably feel you've gotten your money's worth with those knives, but trying to compare any of those to an Emerson is like apples to oranges. They aren't anywhere close to the same league. To each his own!


Perhaps slightly. Yes Emerson's are lower production and there really is something special about the knives being designed and created in house. But they are still production knives with a range styles.

Realistically, Spyderco, Benchmade and Kershaw all make better quality knives than Emerson. When someone asks me to recommend them a knife, I will usually respond with a Spyderco, Benchmade or Kershaw. I never recommend an Emerson for a non Knife nut to get for there go to knife because honestly, I think they would be disappointment. Rough laser cuts, a grind most people aren't used to a pivot that needs adjusted a break in period. Most people don't want that, they want a great knife out of the box and the former deliver that, and usually for a better price.

When I held my first Emerson I remember being rather disappointed. My main knife at the time was a Benchmade Mini Skirmish that was phenomenal, rock solid and smooth as oiled glass. When I imagined an Emerson it was, Emerson features with the quality of the Benchmade, and what arrived wasn't even in the same league, but I will say it was sharp.

But, I still was a really big fan of Mr. Emerson and liked what he represented and once you get past the fact that you are paying more for the name and Mr. Emersons designs made in the US of A there is alot to love about Emerson Knives. I like that they have remained set in there ways. Rough G10, sticking with a brilliantly heat treated 154cm instead of playing with every new fad steel that comes along, the best ergos in the business, beefy pivots and easy to field strip. I would love to see the f&f improve, the washers improve, not need to adjust the pivot but thats not a deal breaker for me. When I did send my knives in for some work, the service was first class, I still don't know how they put a shaving edge on my Commander shaped butter knife :D

Bottom line is Emerson does make a solid knife, but its hard to tell with out using it day in and day out. I could end with a cliche involving hardcore or character, but instead I will just say that now, a couple years after my first time around an Emerson knife, 99% of the time, It's and Emerson that goes in my pocket.
 
I say the following with respect for you, not trying to be a jerk.

But what is it, then, that makes it worth so much more? Is their 154cm or whatever they're using worth $150 more than the AUS 8 in my Spydie? No doubt its a better steel, but pricewise is that the difference? Is their G10 worth $150 more than the lowly zytel on my Spydie? No doubt it is a better material, but is it worth that much more? Is their superior heat treat (for the sake of argument, let's say Emerson's is better) worth $150 or so more as well? Is the liner $150 more precious than the thinner weaker liner I have on my Kershaw Blitz?

I think we've been so brainwashed by marketing that says if a knife is made by a tough muscular guy with a respected military record, then by golly it's worth whatever he damm well charges for it. And I just don't get that.


Its a combination of things you listed and some marketing and preentation. Ernst is a smart man! I respect him and love his knives.

Other people just have the money to spend. There is nothing to get.
 
Its a combination of things you listed and some marketing and preentation. Ernst is a smart man! I respect him and love his knives.

Other people just have the money to spend. There is nothing to get.

I totally agree here. I personally love the way they look and feel in my hand. That combined with the fact that I respect Mr. Emerson, they are 100% USA made and last of all, I can afford them....

I don't really have any other reson to justify it.... I just like them!
 
I say the following with respect for you, not trying to be a jerk.


No worries! Absolutely no offense taken!

The only thing I can really say about Emerson's are you just have to hold one and play around with it a bit. They seem to be a love it or hate it brand.

I guess you could say they are overpriced, but hey, there's a lot of us out here who are willing to wait forever for the slow production, and then pay that price point too!

It's crazy thinking, but then so is collecting a pile of knives in the first place!
 
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