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Your correct, i looked into this a bit after i suggested it and noticed they are no long offered, but the FN P9 is.
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Your correct, i looked into this a bit after i suggested it and noticed they are no long offered, but the FN P9 is.
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what about a full size sw mp 9mm, has the grip package just like the xd and shoots very well
Wow, this is some great news guys thanks.
Yeah, not hunting persay, but its fairly easy to get a wilderness carry, its more less a staright forward thing, just like a transportation permit.
Its stunning how much is availible, its gonna be tough deciding, wish I was coming into this with a couple grand, it would make deciding ALOT easier.
Yeah, not hunting persay, but its fairly easy to get a wilderness carry, its more less a staright forward thing, just like a transportation permit.
Its stunning how much is availible, its gonna be tough deciding, wish I was coming into this with a couple grand, it would make deciding ALOT easier.
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If this is your first hand gun I would recommend a nice, used revolver in .38 Special, particularly a Smith & Wesson Model 10 or Model 15 with a 4" barrel. They can still be found in very good condition, rather easily, at decent prices. Load it with mild, inexpensive wad cutters for target practice, and then work your way up to the more "aggressive" +p rounds for defensive situations.
Another good option would be a used 4" Ruger Security Six chambered for the .357 Magnum. A .357 Magnum revolver gives you the versatility of using
.38 Special ammo for practice, and loading the "brisk" .357 Magnum when appropriate. The Ruger Security Six, built like a tank, can still be found on the used market for well under $400.
In my humble opinion I think it would be unwise to get a semi-auto for your first handgun. A well-made 4" revolver chambered for the .38 Special round is the perfect platform to learn the basic skills of marksmanship.
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Another good option would be a used 4" Ruger Security Six chambered for the .357 Magnum. A .357 Magnum revolver gives you the versatility of using
.38 Special ammo for practice, and loading the "brisk" .357 Magnum when appropriate. The Ruger Security Six, built like a tank, can still be found on the used market for well under $400.
In my humble opinion I think it would be unwise to get a semi-auto for your first handgun. A well-made 4" revolver chambered for the .38 Special round is the perfect platform to learn the basic skills of marksmanship.
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Revolvers have fallen out of fashion, but they are solid performers and I believe in a lot of situations better than autos. For a woods bumming gun, that may be pressed into a CCW role, revolvers rule. I think Gramps had some very good advice. Chris
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Since the only thing you can legally use a handgun for in Canada is target practice, unless you are shooting IPSC or some other such game I would pick up a Taurus 941SS in .22 lr. You should be able to get it in a 5" barrel.
If you wanted something larger then I would go with whatever fit your hand in one of these: Smith and Wesson model 19, Ruger SP101, Ruger Security Six, Ruger GP100. Either is .327 Federal Magnum or .357 magnum (remembering the .38 special option too).
On another note, the GLOCK thing probably has to do with barrel length and magazine capacity. Barrel has to be 104mm (?) which is just a little more than 4" and magazine capacity has to be 10 or less. Some rifles are banned as they have a detached magazine capable of accepting a magazine holding more than 10 rounds. Perhaps the GLOCK has fallen into this ruling also...
If you wanted something larger then I would go with whatever fit your hand in one of these: Smith and Wesson model 19, Ruger SP101, Ruger Security Six, Ruger GP100. Either is .327 Federal Magnum or .357 magnum (remembering the .38 special option too).
On another note, the GLOCK thing probably has to do with barrel length and magazine capacity. Barrel has to be 104mm (?) which is just a little more than 4" and magazine capacity has to be 10 or less. Some rifles are banned as they have a detached magazine capable of accepting a magazine holding more than 10 rounds. Perhaps the GLOCK has fallen into this ruling also...
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What I wanted to ask was, what would you guys buy as a first handgun if you could go back, but have the selection of today?
This isnt so much as a defensive tool, its going to be for target, and informal competitions(more less a shooting group, that casually visits the range) and If push came to shove, a home defensive tool.
I cannot recommend a handgun for you, only for me. Your build, arm length, sensitivity to trigger pull, gun weight, recoil, accuracy tolerances, caliber, price considerations and vendor preferences are likely diffferent than mine. Brand debates are a Ford-Chevy thing. Virtually all of guns work and all of them can break. Some break more often than others. Most could be improved by a competent gunsmith.
I'd suggest you start by going to these informal competitions watch, then ask the folks there why they use what they use. Then I'd go to gunshops and touchie-feely every gun you're interested in to see how it fits you. If you can find a local shooter and ask him/her for adviceor actually shoot what you're interested in, you probably be better served.
Nothing beats a 12 gauge for home defense, IMO. However, lots of things equal it and again, it is a Ford-Chevy type debate.
Oh, and if you're considering centerfire handguns, consider reloading. It's easy and much cheaper in the long run.
What I wanted to ask was, what would you guys buy as a first handgun if you could go back, but have the selection of today?
This isnt so much as a defensive tool, its going to be for target, and informal competitions(more less a shooting group, that casually visits the range) and If push came to shove, a home defensive tool.
I cannot recommend a handgun for you, only for me. Your build, arm length, sensitivity to trigger pull, gun weight, recoil, accuracy tolerances, caliber, price considerations and vendor preferences are likely diffferent than mine. Brand debates are a Ford-Chevy thing. Virtually all of guns work and all of them can break. Some break more often than others. Most could be improved by a competent gunsmith.
I'd suggest you start by going to these informal competitions watch, then ask the folks there why they use what they use. Then I'd go to gunshops and touchie-feely every gun you're interested in to see how it fits you. If you can find a local shooter and ask him/her for adviceor actually shoot what you're interested in, you probably be better served.
Nothing beats a 12 gauge for home defense, IMO. However, lots of things equal it and again, it is a Ford-Chevy type debate.
Oh, and if you're considering centerfire handguns, consider reloading. It's easy and much cheaper in the long run.
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I've been looking at a few as it is now, and glock being off the list as they are ileagel in canada, I've been looking at sig, taurus and mainly firearms with a barrel length over 4 1/3", and that have a clip capacity under 10 rounds, as thats another rule, also, nothing in .32, or .25, but I doubt you would recommend on in that caliber anyways.
I'll make the assumption that you're looking for a semi-auto based on your current selection of choices. So you don't particularly want a SA, but more so looking for a DA/SA? Since magazine capacity is limited to 10 and under, I would focus on .40 S&W, 10mm and .45ACP. I recently picked up a CZ 97B in .45; a great target/range pistol with a 10 round capacity. The nice thing is that you can carry it DA or cocked and locked in SA. EAA/Witness has similar varieties on the cheaper side and also can be found in 10mm. I've handled a Witness and really like the feel...plus they have some great target models.
I know you didn't want the SA types such as the 1911, but Para Ordnance does make some great LDA (Light Double Action) models that are quite nice.
I'll also make the assumption that if Glocks are a no-go, so are XD's? I also have a nice XD45 compact that is quite accurate and 100% reliable.
If large caliber is what you're looking for, the above would be my recommendations. If you want a more versitile target pistol, a good .22LR would be an very good option and much more inexpensive to play with at the range. I have a couple of Sig pistols and now that they have a .22LR conversion, that would be something to strongly consider. The P220, .45 (8 round mags) can now be coupled with a .22LR conversion...in my mind, the best of both worlds! You can have a large bore target/self defense pistol AND a quick conversion to a nice .22LR pistol for target, practice and plinking. I have conversion kits for my Kimber TLE 1911 and my CZ 75/85...they are excellent additions!
If you plan to get into reloading, I would take another hard look at revolvers. The .357/.38 combo can go from squirrel loads to large game hunting. I was recently looking at an older Dan Wesson Pistol Pak where the collection had a 2", 4" and 6" barrels...excellent for target, competition, CCW (if applicable) or just woodsbumming...
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The sig 226 is a famously good 9mm. Ive had two. Tack drivers both of them. Lightweight and ultra reliable. Ive also had a 228, with the same results.... My sister carries the 239(compact) with the same results....
See what im getting at?
Seriously though if its a 9mm your after your in luck cause theres TONS of good ones to choose from in the size your looking for. Happy hunting!!
See what im getting at?
Seriously though if its a 9mm your after your in luck cause theres TONS of good ones to choose from in the size your looking for. Happy hunting!!
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Id get a 1911. You will end up with one anyways. Best handgun ever made. Get a Colt and lots of ammo and dont look back. Just my 2 cents. :thumbup:
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Ive owned lots of handguns. Lots. The only 9mm I would ever get is a Sig. I liked the G19, but wish it had a full size grip frame, and the shorter slide.
Love them Sigs though, and the German Police trade ins are still around cheap. Good buy on a single stack sig.
Revolvers? If your gonna do any type of competeing, Id stick with a 4 or 6in bbl .357 S&W. Pre lock preferably. However they are harder to conceal, but not as much of a pain to shoot, and tack drivers.
I still say 1911. The Springer mil-specs are a good buy, but I love a pony.
Best handgun ever made. Get a Colt and lots of ammo and dont look back. Just my 2 cents. :thumbup:Heres my Commander
Ive owned lots of handguns. Lots. The only 9mm I would ever get is a Sig. I liked the G19, but wish it had a full size grip frame, and the shorter slide.
Love them Sigs though, and the German Police trade ins are still around cheap. Good buy on a single stack sig.
Revolvers? If your gonna do any type of competeing, Id stick with a 4 or 6in bbl .357 S&W. Pre lock preferably. However they are harder to conceal, but not as much of a pain to shoot, and tack drivers.
I still say 1911. The Springer mil-specs are a good buy, but I love a pony.
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our American cousins can not buy these little suckers. i had a 9mm once it was heavy as hell but shot straight.
Yeah, I was hoping someone had an older one, I guess that doesn't show what they are today, but I thought Id ask.
Im still very open to this, but so far, what has stood out to me are:
1911,
A sig with a conversion kit,
S&W mp models,
I found a company called Zigana C45 which caught my attention,
And many others for sure, have to look into Revolvers as well,
The thing with revolver's are getting one with a barrel length over 4 1/8"( sorry I thought it was 4 1/3")
The other thing is no hollow points, but again, not looking for defense only, just it would be nice to have that stopping power.
I feel after I start going to a few range sessions, and meet a few more people in the gun community around the city I will have a better educated choice, I have shot a few handguns, but Im still not sure on what Area's stand out strong to me yet in terms of weight, Ergo's and style, that will all come with time.
Thanks for all the recommendations, its going to be fun choosing either way.:thumbup:
Well, its not the only thing, in some parts yes, but In my location its common for hunters, and campers that go off the beatin' trail to have a wilderness permit for pertection, but its hard to get one for anything other than a revolver in .357, .44 ect you get the point.
But ill deal with that problem when it comes, if I have to keep my firearm at the range, thats fine, ultimatly Im collecting, so It doesnt bother me much.
As it is now, This is whats required to own, and take a hand gun to the range.
Non restricted/Restricted firearms training, Posestion & acquisition License, then a travel permit (moving, going to the range) And, you have to be a member at what ever range your going to, and proof of that.
Its quite strict, on Non-restricted its not so bad, but its worth it in my eyes.
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I would start with a 22 The Ruger or Browning. Learn to shoot that before moving to something bigger. You will shoot it a lot more if it's cheap to shoot and easy to get ammo for. Get a 5-6 inch barrel and you will learn to shoot well with it even faster. Nothing will discourage pistol shooting like a short barreled recoiling gun with lots of ear shattering muzzle blast.
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so besides the fact that canada's restricted weapons laws make no sense, there are no real restrictions besides length (barrel longer equal or greater than 105mm) mag cap (make sure there are only 10 in it) and .25, and .32cal, which is odd because that also covers 7.62 soviet. but those are still legal... um, yeah. oh, and if it looks dangerous, or like a military weapon....
glocks are fine, and I'd call the alberta CFO (chief firearms officer) to ask if it is actually true that large bore revolvers are easier to get permits for. he signs off on the permits so might as well find out. and due to the permit system being designed so armored car operators can carry, the permit is actually for a prohibited weapon. yeah, makes so much sense doesn't it.
any canadians thinking about getting their PAL should get the restricted component, and write "to collect firearms" on the Why do you want a PAL question.
Due to the system being so broken, many RCMP ignore most of it as long as you are not doing something majorly illegal, and local LE can't hope to keep up.
since we lucky albertans have legal precedent for self defense with a firearm, it would help with that two legged varmint problem, on the off chance you happen to have one.
glocks are fine, and I'd call the alberta CFO (chief firearms officer) to ask if it is actually true that large bore revolvers are easier to get permits for. he signs off on the permits so might as well find out. and due to the permit system being designed so armored car operators can carry, the permit is actually for a prohibited weapon. yeah, makes so much sense doesn't it.
any canadians thinking about getting their PAL should get the restricted component, and write "to collect firearms" on the Why do you want a PAL question.
Due to the system being so broken, many RCMP ignore most of it as long as you are not doing something majorly illegal, and local LE can't hope to keep up.
since we lucky albertans have legal precedent for self defense with a firearm, it would help with that two legged varmint problem, on the off chance you happen to have one.