i get a lot of knives in for sharpening and i cant remember if i ever had a knife with either steel come in for an edge. i probably will one of these days. get some 320 and 400 grit sandpaper and give both grits a try. i have went as low as 80 grit and had a knife sharp enough to treetop hairs. i'm going to do some experimenting with 24 grit next to see what i can do with a test blade i have.