Notes from the Editor....

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From American Bladesmith, Summer 2007, Issue 20, written by Carolyn Hughes....

...."Buddy(Thomason, HTMD here on the Forums) and I had a "conversation" via e-mail concerning forums. I agree with him that forums are a wonderful medium for learning new methods, what is available, and knife news; we also agree that responsibility(emphasis mine) is a factor too often missing in forums. I probably believe this more strongly than he does because I refuse to read anything written on any forum. It is extremely difficult for me to accept what is written by "wannabe authorities", who don't have a clue regarding the topic on which they are pontificating, and sort through the garbage to reach the substance, if any is there. Writers to knife forums are not the only ones who are guilty of maligning a peer or an organization: this is an affliction of every forum.

Writing requires a modicum of responsibility for what you say, whether it is in print, or on a forum or blog. You might not care for a particular knifemaker, but that does not give you a right to ruin a person's livelihood by libeling his or her work. This happens all too often. If a libelous statement is published in a newspaper or magazine, the writer can be sued, and will have to pay. Someday, some way, the same should be true of the internet unless those who spend time expounding their views become responsible for writing only the truth, not supposition.

Bruce Voyles, a veteran journalist, also touches on the subject of forums in his "On the Edge" column printed in the August 2007 Knives Illustrated. Bruce writes "If there is on reason Web media still has a long way to go, it is the stark knowledge that anyone with a computer has a soapbox with equal credibility of those who have spent years obtaining an in-depth knowledge of the game; and when comments from both are posted on forums, there is no way to tell the difference. Simply because someone spends hours a day on a forum posting whatever may pop into their head does not mean they have an opinion".

Even more disturbing was the attitude Brude addressed in the bulk of his column; the elation some seem to receive from "observing the troubles of others. It is as if someone else's misery elevates the gleeful to some higher plane"....to rejoice in someone else's misery is different...it is just wrong"

This attitude has never been prevalent in the ABS. We cry, we laugh, we rejoice, we mourn together. We are family. Remember your responsibility to your family as you participate in forums."

I say this to ALL....

1. It is ignorant to call something bad, and without value, when by self admission, you do not read, participate in or understand what is being said.

2. Not sure what forums are specifically being addressed here, but in BladeForums, we have many that participate, specifically in customs, who have written articles, been quoted in books and magazines, and have a great deal of knowledge.

3. Free Speech, Ms. Hughes, Free Speech...you have your podium, so do others. Mr. Voyles is WRONG...we all have opinions, some are just more informed than others.

What say you, my brethren....MY family?

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
Well, they're certainly not shy about casting sweeping negative generalizations, are they? I would suggest to Mrs. Hughes - self-proclaimed advocate of responsible writing - that it is at best grossly irresponsible to cast such harsh judgment upon a medium about which she admits to knowing next to nothing.

If I stated that I categorically refused to read anything in any knife magazine, and in the next breath dismissed the content of all knife magazines by stating that: "It is extremely difficult for me to accept what is written by "wannabe authorities", who don't have a clue regarding the topic on which they are pontificating, and sort through the garbage to reach the substance, if any is there." - what weight should I expect to be given to my opinion?

Roger
 
Everyone with a computer does NOT have an equal soapbox.

Generally, the half-witted, the moronic, the ignorant, and the ill-intended reveal their intentions with every mis-spelled word and every over-heated tirade. There may be more 'crap' in forums ... but I strongly believe there is valuable information, interesting opinions, and even friendship to be found on-line.

Hmm. Not sure why that came out. Guess I'm just shooting off my electronic mouth. Generalizations of any sort always bother me.

Count me as 'with' Thomason and STeven. For what it's worth... :)
 
I like Mrs. Hughes very much, and she is welcome to her opinion, but I think she has formed it without actually verifying that what she thinks is true is actually correct. Before making statements like that she should take the time to get to know what it is she is criticizing. She is somewhat correct in what she says, but there is so much more to forums than the stuff that is written by wannabe authorities. I am disappointed that she is so closed minded. It appears that she has been told this stuff about forums and has just accepted it as truth.
 
Beware - those who dare challenge the status quo!


Ed, we have chatted about this many times. Thought, outside of the box leads to new and wonderous discoveries.

Clinging to the status quo in most things stifles freedom of thought, and thusly, hinders creativity.

I agree with what I believe the POINT of Ms. Hughes' column to be, which is that the internet, currently, allows all a pulpit with which to be a bully from, and some temperence would go far in furthering a polite and decent society. I could use a healty dose of that more often than not.

However...to basically accuse those of making Forum contributions as being ALL unwashed bohabs, is to deny the very family she speaks of.

I am NOT Kumbaya Coop, but the spirit of COMMUNITY and FAMILY on much of this forum is undeniable, to those who would take the time to see it. To make that sweeping statement as such, hurts and angers me a great deal.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
I am with you.

One of the things that bothered me from the beginning and still does is the lack of respect that we never see in our "real world" when we are with each other. To this day I get too upset when I see that lack of respect on the net. I have not read the editorial yet, but I do not think to classify all that goes on in a negative sweep is accurate. It just takes a little effort to separate the wheat from the chaff.
 
I can tell you right now that if it weren't for knife forums, this one in particular, I would not be an associate member of the ABS, and it's knifemaker members would have never sold me a single knife.
 
I'm a little set back by this.....
I haven't got my copy yet. But will most likely comment more after reading the entire editorial.
 
I'm more than a little set back by this.....
I haven't got my copy yet. But will most likely comment more after reading the entire editorial.

Except for the exclusion of an opening paragraph, I transcribed it word for word.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
Except for the exclusion of an opening paragraph, I transcribed it word for word.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson

Hi STeven, I didn't mean to imply you did anything other than that.

I'm surprised too by Carolyn's view of forums.

I have very limited experience with forums, however found the few; the anvil, the new blade and especially this customs forum to be a positive and constructive vehicle for the promotion of the industry and for the education and entertainment of people who love knives. Not even to mention the friendships that have been and are founded here.
 
I would agree that there seems to me that there are a great many posters getting on their soapbox as quasi-experts on a regular basis without any factual or anecdotal reference.

However, I also believe that any general statement indicting an entire medium by condemning it as unadulterated drivel seems to me a lack of thorough investigation of that medium.

I wonder how much of this editorial is impacted by my perceived notion that there seems to be increasing jealousy from the print media stemming from the impact that the electronic media has had on the number of their subscriptions.

The Internet has had a pronounced financial impact on both the print media as well as the broadcast media and I have noticed an apparent jealous attitude displayed from both towards the electronic media.
 
From the OP: "...I refuse to read anything written on any forum."


Someone's really limiting their horizons, especially considering the way in which information is being disseminated today.

And to be so inflexible about it...
 
It appears to me that the 'old guard' doesn't like change. The Internet and knife forums are a very big change in the custom knife world.

Some of the recent ABS threads have ruffled some feathers.
 
I think I can see both sides of the coin here. I've certainly been guilty of PUI, occaisionally (posting under the influence), but perhaps the latin in vino veritas plays a role. Certainly there are alot of uninformed or exceptionaly opinionated folks who spoil things sometimes. But the reality for me is were it NOT for the internet, I would not be nearly as avid nor as educated a collector as I am today. It would have been too difficult and costly to establish the knowledge base I have by "old fashioned" methods of knife shows and word of mouth. Going to a knife show is great, and I've been to about 8, but I go prepared. I KNOW what I'm interested in because of the internet. I am able to concentrate on the things I like. Venues are open to me now that allow me to acquire pieces I'd never even come across if it weren't for the internet. Sure, there are always differences in opinions (just think of the forged vs. stock removal debate), but someone with half a brain should be able to smell out a B.S. merchant pretty quick. The interesting arguments are the ones that trigger opinions from respected individuals that argue both sides of the fence. Sort of like this one...
 
The other thing that is fascinating to watch, is to see people mature over time...I consider myself an example. And then of course there's Keith....;)
 
Steve: don't take my response as antithetical to yous. Far from it!

One problem I see with forums is the lack of real names. Those who hide behind an unknown label (cq776, etc) can make statements without accountability, many times this leads down the wrong path.

I have a special appreciation for those who use their real names. I believe this alone would lend a little credability to statments made.

The ABS today is far from the organization I joined. I dearly miss the leadership the ABS once had. Bill & Margaret Moran, Paul Burke, Joe and Kay Cordova, Handford Miller and others who were an inspiration to all. The promotion and development of the forged blade was our goal. Critics were welcome and honest meaningfull debate was welcome.One day vision may return, we can only hope.
 
I haven't read the article, but I think what it says is sillyness.

:D

Seriously, I don't understand even the point that most repondent seem to be agreeing, that on the internet any fool has as much credibility as the expert. I have been involved in a variety of forums, and that is simply never the case. Yes, there are pompous fools, but they are identified the moment they start posting.
 
I am with you.

One of the things that bothered me from the beginning and still does is the lack of respect that we never see in our "real world" when we are with each other. To this day I get too upset when I see that lack of respect on the net. I have not read the editorial yet, but I do not think to classify all that goes on in a negative sweep is accurate. It just takes a little effort to separate the wheat from the chaff.

This is my view as well. The anonymity does sometimes result in a lack of respect or responsibility for a person's views. It's much harder to get away with such behavior when you're face to face with your audience but it doesn't take too much effort to realize those who should be ignored ( or banned :D ) and those who are making a contribution.
 
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