NYC (10-133c) Summons

augostos, as long as you keep the knife in your luggage, no one will bother you about it.
A small Swiss Army Knife or short fixed blade is generally OK. As you said:

* The blade should be strictly under 4".
* The knife should be fully concealed.
* Folder should be only manual and non-locking.
 
Does anyone have any experience with the whole summons process? When I went I was slightly confused as people waited in line to meet with someone at the window. Is this where you plead not guilty/guilty? How do I know if I can get this dismissed at that point? Those people were beyond rude.
 
Most nypd are only concerned with meeting the imaginary quota, they too are under the gun to produce income for nyc coffers. All the advice given thus far is to be considered, as i myself am by no means an expert, but from personal experience i can tell you this: Being put through the same harassment as yourself, i would not plead guilty and fight it to the bitter end, anything that is an admission of guilt remains on public record forever. Upon seeing the judge; i explained that i do not carry a knife as a means of protection, but as a tool for whatever job is needed, i further explained that it is mostly used for work which it was, and had i known it was against some obscure city ordinance to have it clipped to my pants pocket i would have put it 'in' the pocket. The judge, checking for any prior criminal history, used his wisdom to dismiss the summons and told me; "next time keep it in my pocket".
 
Thanks for the help, I'm going plead not guilty and hopefully I can get it dismissed from there...
 
Here's an update for whoever cares:

Went to SAPs, waited in an hour long line...to get another slip to go to a court room. Judge barely acknowledged me but I had public defender. Judge basically said $75 fine or go to trial. Defender suggested trial since I had picture proof that I only had a SAK on a keychain that fell out of my pocket....now I have to go to court AGAIN. Arraignment this time...so annoying. Hating NYC so much right now.
 
What a waste of time...Their hoping like most, that you will just give up and pay the fine, i suggest you don't. When i had to go to court, there was also a public defender but all he did was announce my case to the judge, the whole scenario was much like fighting a traffic ticket. Aside from all the hassle, my experience was really no big deal, i wasn't in possession of a deadly weapon, i didn't kill anyone, i have no record, i just lucked out cause the judge dismissed the summons, unfortunately you have to go a step further. Use the advice already suggested and check with knife rights; when nyc is satisfied you've received enough hassle, your case will probably be dismissed somewhere along the line too, cause once again: You weren't in possession of a deadly weapon, you didn't harm anyone, and hopefully you don't have a record.
 
truest said:
Does anyone have any experience with the whole summons process? When I went I was slightly confused as people waited in line to meet with someone at the window. Is this where you plead not guilty/guilty? How do I know if I can get this dismissed at that point? Those people were beyond rude.
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I left New York City long, long, ago. They have great pizza but lousy politics. My father use to go up every year for an annual deer hunt. About 20 years back we warned him that things were getting bad and told him handguns (as in handgun hunting - which he used to do when we were residents) were out. But, he insisted, so we placed a polite call to the NYC Police Department to have them give him the official word. The Gal on the other end of the call flipped out on us and insisted we provide an immediate address so she could send someone over to arrest us. We kept telling here that we were calling from out-of-state and that said handgun was perfectly legal were we were, but she refused to listen and kept on screaming over the telephone until we finally told her to F-off and hung up on her. The old man just said alright no handgun. NYC clearly has many very ignorant and unprofessional bureaucrats. Rude doesn't cut it, it is more like crazy leftist moonbats.

n2s
 
not2sharp said:
I left New York City long, long, ago. They have great pizza but lousy politics. My father use to go up every year for an annual deer hunt. About 20 years back we warned him that things were getting bad and told him handguns (as in handgun hunting - which he used to do when we were residents) were out. But, he insisted, so we placed a polite call to the NYC Police Department to have them give him the official word. The Gal on the other end of the call flipped out on us and insisted we provide an immediate address so she could send someone over to arrest us. We kept telling here that we were calling from out-of-state and that said handgun was perfectly legal were we were, but she refused to listen and kept on screaming over the telephone until we finally told her to F-off and hung up on her. The old man just said alright no handgun. NYC clearly has many very ignorant and unprofessional bureaucrats. Rude doesn't cut it, it is more like crazy leftist moonbats.
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I don't get it, :confused: ...Handgun hunting happens every night in Central Park,

...and most of the Five Boroughs. :eek:






Big Mike
 
The story on the seminary student is ridiculous. Cops, one of whom was clearly strong in one of the cases, needing several attempts to flick open a knife before declaring it illegal is just laughable. The irony that two-handed opening would be much quicke, and you'd probably be dead in a self-defense situation by the time you flicked a knife open that way, is apparently irrelevant.
 
mongol8 said:
The story on the seminary student is ridiculous. Cops, one of whom was clearly strong in one of the cases, needing several attempts to flick open a knife before declaring it illegal is just laughable. The irony that two-handed opening would be much quicke, and you'd probably be dead in a self-defense situation by the time you flicked a knife open that way, is apparently irrelevant.
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Its infuriating to hear about this BS. LEOs that engage in this sort of conduct are not only in the wrong line of work, they're in the wrong country...
 
I lived in NYC (Brooklyn specifically) my entire life, 25 years, I EDC everyday, from my experience, if you don't look like your from the hood, or of your not Hispanic and black, the cops don't bother you, I been stopped hundreds of times and have my knife taken away only once, and I'm convinced only because he liked it and wanted to keep it. The knife laws here are ridiculous, right now I EDC a cs ak-47 in open view and have a leatherman surge on my belt, no problems so far. One thing I learned is don't be a a-hole to the cop, he can ruin your day a lot easier than you can ruin his lol. And just to be clear this is what works for me while living here, no one else may have the same luck.
 
dramos1 said:
I lived in NYC (Brooklyn specifically) my entire life, 25 years, I EDC everyday, from my experience, if you don't look like your from the hood, or of your not Hispanic and black, the cops don't bother you, I been stopped hundreds of times and have my knife taken away only once, and I'm convinced only because he liked it and wanted to keep it. The knife laws here are ridiculous, right now I EDC a cs ak-47 in open view and have a leatherman surge on my belt, no problems so far. One thing I learned is don't be a a-hole to the cop, he can ruin your day a lot easier than you can ruin his lol. And just to be clear this is what works for me while living here, no one else may have the same luck.
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Why were you stopped "hundreds of times"? What brought you to the attention of LEOs? Knives are supposed to be concealed in NYC and you carry in plain view?
 
TOM1960 said:
Why were you stopped "hundreds of times"? What brought you to the attention of LEOs? Knives are supposed to be concealed in NYC and you carry in plain view?
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The NYPD stop and frisk randomly, and I usually got stopped when with a group of friends, never did anything suspicious, maybe cuz I'm Puerto Rican lol I keep the knife in my pocket with the clip and my shirt usually never hides it, you may get a a-hole cop every once in awhile but as long as your respectful they always sent me on my way with my knife back in my pocket. The past year or so have been wearing 5.11 taclites and been keeping my knife in the forward accessory pocket, which is almost impossible to cover up
 
So update on my situation. Finally went to court yesterday to stand "trial" for the summons. To make a long story short, judge and public defender shafted me. Public defender did not even help argue my case, two timed me, and sided with the "law." They gave me no chance to truly argue my case and ordered me to pay a $75 fine reduced down to $50. The cop actually showed up and gave me a smug look. Everything about this just pissed me off. Regardless of the price $ I had to pay, it just made my blood boil because of how unfairly I was treated.

Lessons learned:

-Avoid cops like the plague
-Hide your edc
-Never trust the public defender
-NYC Knife laws are ridiculous
-The laws in this city do not protect the innocent
 
truest said:
So update on my situation. Finally went to court yesterday to stand "trial" for the summons. To make a long story short, judge and public defender shafted me. Public defender did not even help argue my case, two timed me, and sided with the "law." They gave me no chance to truly argue my case and ordered me to pay a $75 fine reduced down to $50. The cop actually showed up and gave me a smug look. Everything about this just pissed me off. Regardless of the price $ I had to pay, it just made my blood boil because of how unfairly I was treated.

Lessons learned:

-Avoid cops like the plague
-Hide your edc
-Never trust the public defender
-NYC Knife laws are ridiculous
-The laws in this city do not protect the innocent
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You don't know me so this will probably mean nothing to you, but I'm proud of you for not just caving-in and pleading guilty and paying the $75 fine. Yes you got screwd, but you stood up for yourself, and your rights. Many would just have given in for the sake of convenience, and that's what the criminal justice system counts on. Maybe if more people stood up for themselves like you did, maybe fewer people would be victimized in such a manner.

Look at it this way, at the very least you made them all take the time to at least go through the motions of "justice". The cop may have been smug, but maybe they had better things that they would have rather been doing and because of you they had to go to court.

If it makes you feel any better, I know a thing or two about getting screwd by the so-called "justice" system. I went to prison based in part on a detectives perjured testimony and my PAID lawyer completely sold me out to the prosecuter for his own convenience. And I paid that lawyers law firm $8600. for the privilege.

Thank you for standing up for your rights and fighting the good fight. It makes me feel good to know that there are still people who will do that.
 
killgar said:
The cop may have been smug, but maybe they had better things that they would have rather been doing and because of you they had to go to court.
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Better things to do? What could be better than getting paid time and a half to give him a smug look?
 
truest said:
So update on my situation. Finally went to court yesterday to stand "trial" for the summons. To make a long story short, judge and public defender shafted me. Public defender did not even help argue my case, two timed me, and sided with the "law." They gave me no chance to truly argue my case and ordered me to pay a $75 fine reduced down to $50. The cop actually showed up and gave me a smug look. Everything about this just pissed me off. Regardless of the price $ I had to pay, it just made my blood boil because of how unfairly I was treated.

Lessons learned:

-Avoid cops like the plague
-Hide your edc
-Never trust the public defender
-NYC Knife laws are ridiculous
-The laws in this city do not protect the innocent
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What a damned shame. All over an innocent SAK that probably retailed for less than $50 (including sales tax). Hope you perfected your concealment technique if you plan to continue carrying.
 
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