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Off Shore???

WilltheBarb, do you actually know that Buck has asked to take pictures of the knifemaking process and the workers?

Do you know that the factory has refused to provide information to Buck?

Where, exactly did you get that knowledge?

Not that you would lie, of course, but I would just like to know the foundation for your statements.

May I also refer you to post #5 on this thread that gives an example of China being quite forthcoming with information.
 
i have dissagreents with many on this, :grumpy: :barf: :yawn:
RUABCCImember? not- ask joe how!:D ;)
 
resurch it and read it your self...
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No, you don't get off that easy.

If you make a statement here that is to be taken as more than opinion, you should be able to cite and post evidence to back up what you say.

If you can't, you are just blowing smoke.

I'm ready to consider anything you say.....but not smoke.

:)
 
Buck_110 said:
This is 100% false! China is NOT forthcoming with information. China shows the world what China wants the world to see. This is a very, very well known fact.
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Not according to post #5 on the first page of this thread.

;)
 
I’m with you 110

“do you actually know that Buck has asked to take pictures of the knifemaking process and the workers?”
I didn’t say they had or hadn’t.
“Do you know that the factory has refused to provide information to Buck?”
I didn’t say that either. I have no knowledge as to what correspondence might have gone on between Buck and the Chinese government agency that they do business with.
“They don’t care at all about your desire for history. They don’t think it is relevant.”
I did say that and stand behind it. Have you ever seen any of the offering on eBay for ‘WWII Japanese Swords’ coming out of China or so called antiquities from China’s storied past. They are some of the most god awful stuff you ever saw; pure rubbish, but the Chinese certainly have no shame. They don’t share our preoccupation with the past but they are more than happy to exploit it. They have a different culture with different values.
 
Buck_110 said:
Easy there! Dave is NOT blowing smoke! The same can be said about what your spewing. Can YOU post a link to a Buck factory in China? You are assuming one exists, and a happy work force concerned about knife making history is proudly producing quality knives. Where is your evidence of your assumptions?
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No. I didn't say that at all.

I said I want to KNOW about that work force. I don't know that they're happy and never said I did. I did say that I have faith that Buck wouldn't sell knives produced in a "sweat shop" and my evidence of that is their past dedication to honorable behavior.

And pardon me, but I made no claim that Buck owns a factory in China. I don't think it's possible for an American company to OWN one.

Nevertheless, a Buck factory where knives trademarked Buck are produced certainly must exist in China......why would they lie and stamp 'China' on their knives?

:D

And Dave IS blowing smoke.......billows of it. If he has evidence of his claims about statutes against Buck labeling their U.S. made knives as made in the U.S.--he should produce that evidence.

Inquiring minds await.
 
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Not according to post #5 on the first page of this thread.

110 Said:

Actually that post confirms that China shows the world what China wants the world to see.
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How so? What, exactly, in that post are you using to back up your claim?

Looks suspiciously like more smoke from you.
 
If that were ever to happen, it would be a staged event for the time photograhps are being taken only.
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Come now, 110.....that's just more smoke......you have no idea what would happen in the future.

I KNOW you're not a prophet......if you were, you'd have a bigger pile of discontinued and valuable knives!

:D
 
Will Barb said:

Have you ever seen any of the offering on eBay for ‘WWII Japanese Swords’ coming out of China or so called antiquities from China’s storied past. They are some of the most god awful stuff you ever saw; pure rubbish, but the Chinese certainly have no shame.
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Will, that has nothing to do with our discussion.

Now your blowing smoke by bashing China.....get back on topic.
 
110 Said:

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Originally Posted by Rocinante:
And steel is steel.....if you demand a certain standard and test it to see if the steel meets your high standard--that steel could come from anywhere.

110 said:
This is 100% incorrect. If you "demanded" Timex to produce a watch on par with Rolex, do you really think it ever will be?
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Apples and oranges........and smoke.

:D
 
WilltheBarb said:
I didn’t say the knives weren’t fine knives. I own a bunch of Chinese Bucks and have attested to their quantity numerous times. the lieks of me doesn’t see your point. What does Spyderco have to do with it?
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It is an example of a (US-based) company that moved a portion of its manufacturing to China and is quite forthcoming with details that the inqisite minds apparently need before committing to purchase a knife amde there.
 
Dave did mention the whole ATS34 thing and this has been discussed here in the past. For years Buck labeled their ATS34 knives with USA. Someone pointed out that ATS34, the steel, is made in Japan and they could not claim that the knife was made entirely in the USA cause the steel wasn’t. This is why the newer Custom Shopppeeee 193 Alpha Hunter is offered in 154CM instead of ATS34. I am sure that the custom 110 will not be offered in ATS34 any longer once the current supply of blades is used up.

As to blowing smoke, this is the internet. It’s all smoke but most of us are too polite to say so.
 
WilltheBarb said:
Dave did mention the whole ATS34 thing and this has been discussed here in the past. For years Buck labeled their ATS34 knives with USA. Someone pointed out that ATS34, the steel, is made in Japan and they could not claim that the knife was made entirely in the USA cause the steel wasn’t. This is why the newer Custom Shopppeeee 193 Alpha Hunter is offered in 154CM instead of ATS34. I am sure that the custom 110 will not be offered in ATS34 any longer once the current supply of blades is used up.

As to blowing smoke, this is the internet. It’s all smoke but most of us are too polite to say so.
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No, it's not all smoke. Just a couple of people on this thread are blowing smoke.

Now......is your statement about ATS34 supposed to relate to this statement by Dave?

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buck paid a high price to import price point knives
they can no longer advertise that the high end knives are made in the USA
they can not say in the paper work with knives that they produce knives in the usa they can not even say they make knives in the usa at idaho!
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I'm just trying to figure out what he's TRYING to say. I own knives made in Idaho and they SAY......Made in U.S.A.
 
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