Off Topic, what should I get for CCW?

MauiRob - The .40 cal is a good compromise cartridge. I have seen many autopsies with this round and in the original subsonic loads (180 gr. JHP @ 950 f.p.s.) they look like a .45 230 gr. JHP on human flesh. The supersonic loads (135 gr. JHP @ 1350 f.p.s., 150-155 gr. JHP @ 1150-1200 f.p.s.) hit like a .357 mag 125gr. JHP. Very effective indeed. One down side with the .40 cal is that it isn't as accurate as the .45 ACP when fired from factory guns. My Glock 35 with a 5.3" Bar-Sto barrel shoots 1" groups at 25 yards, due to the excellent Bar-Sto barrel.

One cool things with the .40 cal guns is that you can change them over to the .357 SIG round with a swap of the barrel and recoil spring. Two guns in one! This round is very hot, but also very accurate. Many agencies are dropping their 9mm, .40, and .45s for this round.

Yvsa - The S&W 640 .357 is a real pocket cannon. I have one as one of my back up weapons and is great. Very accurat too! I won $50 from a fellow LEO brother with this gun. He stated snubnose revolvers are only accurate within 10 ft! I showed him that I could hit a man sized steel plate (B-27 shape) at a laser measured 183 meters. Easy money ($10 a shot). The gun and the ammo (Federal 125 gr. JHP) did its job. If you like the J-frame S&Ws, then I think you will like the Kahr K-9 and also the polymer P-9. You can get them in 9mm, and .40 cal. Very slim, compact, and they have a very smooth DAO (double action only) trigger.

Hope this helps.
 
183 METERS?
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Gee, I only put 4 of 6 into a gallon milk jug at a hundred yards with a 2" bbl 22 kit gun. I fired, and hit the thing the first shot, looked at the cute little thing, looked out a hundred yards at the jug on the berm, back at the palm sized little gun, and missed the next shot cause I started laughing again about the time the trigger broke. Did I mention I was standing unsupported using a two hand grip? Of course that was before bifocals but I used to spend a lot of time with the short guns.

If BA fired it enough to find his little beastie's favorite ammo, there should be little problem doing it using a Ransom Rest in good conditions. Knowing BA, the only thing that surprises me is that he did it DAO.

ROTFLMAO-AICGU ( and I can't get up )!.



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I can swallow that. If I was really going to shoot long range like that I think you would get better results with a longer bullet but you can't argue with the results he got. The 640 has nice sharp square sights. The trigger is DAO but it is very controllable. It isn't hard at all to squeeze it 95% of the way and then pause, realign, and squeeze off the shot. I really love this little gun. It is smooth all over which is easy on the clothes and the skin. The trigger pull is great for a S&W (not usually one of my favorites in DA). And while I like the little Bodyguards as well as the new little ultralights, I really don't think it is heavy at all. Especially for a .357 Magnum. Maybe S&W has made little snubbies for so long that they've basically perfected them.

Also, from a legal point of view, I would rather have straight DAO than have one that allows single action cocking. I don't want some yahoo's lawyer to have any possibility of claiming that I shot him accidentally because I cocked my revolver and it had a "hair trigger." The court aftermath can be worse than the shooting. I don't see a tactical reason for SA revolver shooting so just eliminate it. And by having the "hump" be totally solid and enclosed, there's no way for dirt or lint or any other foreign matter to work its way in between the hammer and the frame and bind the gun up.

They are sweet. If S&W wasn't such a "sellout" in their sweetheart deal with the Clinton Administration I would recommend them even more often! That can be a problem now in finding one, some gunstores aren't even selling new S&W's anymore.

Gregg
 
Surprising what a little practice could do! I love my 640! I also did some trick shooting with a Beretta 950 (.25 auto). 50 meters was a piece of cake. How about hitting two targets side by side with one bullet? Well, I used an axe to split my .45 lead wadcutter slug so I could nail two bottles on each side. Free hand of course and at 25 yards. How about shooting flies of some doo-doo at 25 yards with a Crossman 760? I had to make my training fun!
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Hmmmm.
I am beginning to wonder if Little Annie Oakley "disapeared" for a while and went to visit someone in a country far away.
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Naaah, She would've just shot anyone who would have left her in that predicament.
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Yvsa (Who thinks he has found his match in the story telling realm.
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Gregg, that ( heavier bullets ) was my thought too. The 30 carbine ( in a pistol ) starts to get blown all over the place by 125/150 yards.

Yvsa,I too have got lots more absolutely true stories but I gotta check the statue of limitations on them first.
 
Yvsa,

I have a similar situation with regard to hand configuration and pistol-grip size...medium-large hand, stubby fingers. I prefer to carry an SW 640 in .38 special...a great revolver.
Just as a suggestion, consider the Sig 239 or HK USP compacts, they fit my hands as well as does the 640 revolver.
Good luck and have fun in choosing your pistol!
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Hey BA and Yvsa, I solved MY CCW decision today. I went with the Glock model 27 compact in .40 S+W with the magazine extender allowing me to get all three fingers on the gun for better control. I fired it today and was very impressed with the accuracy. Nothing like the stuff I've been reading here
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, but I could keep all 9 shots within a 5-6 inch circle from about 50 ft away, which IMHO is good enough from a compact used for selfdefense which more than likely will be used(hopefully NEVER used!)at at distance of 15ft and under!
Its nice to know that I have the option of converting to .357 Sig in the future, without my wife knowing that I "bought ANOTHER GUN/KNIFE/WEAPON!!??!?!?!?"
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Very impressed with the lack of recoil on the glock. I was able to bring it back onto target very quickly, which in my opinion is very important in a life and death/high stress situation. I mean, I can put all six shots from my S+W mod. 629 classic with a six inch barrel into a very small kill zone at 50 yards, BUT the recoil with a Hot load is so high and the concealability is so low that it just isn't practical.
So, Yvsa I'd say get whatever you feel really comfortable with and you can realistically keep on the target most of the time! Good luck and I hope you have as much fun as I had drooling over the huge variety of great guns out there! Let us know what you decide.

Rob
 
MauiRob,

Glad that you like your Glock 27! I love mine. I was able to get the 2nd one coming into CA and it it still perking along 6,350 rounds into it and no problems. The .357 SIG barrel is a good addition, it gives you a flatter shooting bullet and awesome reliability. The bottle neck shape of the .357 really enhances feeding. You can also get the finger extensions that increase the magazine count to ten rounds. They are made by Pearce Co.. I really feel comfortable carrying my 27 as my back up while on duty. Also, to back it up is my variety of blades!

I guess when we all hook up again we can visit a range so I could show everyone some of my trick shooting. Also, if someone has any tricks to show off, I would like to see them.

Rusty,
Concerning the light bullets accuracy from my 640 at that long range, I figured the 180 or 158 gr. loads would do o.k., but the 640's short barrel generated very low velocity. My carry load Federal 125 GR jhp generates enough velocity so the trajectory isn't as bad.

Blades and guns seems to go hand in hand! Too, bad the prices keep rising.
 
re: trick shooting

Well, I have one "trick" that I like to show people. I discovered it accidentally. Do you know what an Osage Orange tree is? They are native to this area (OK). They are the small, thorny trees that have green globes hanging from them that look like green grapefruits. If you pick one up and cut it in half you will discover that it isn't really solid. It is almost like cauliflower, all thes little hard knots inside and no juice. It does have a little wetness though because it gets this really sticky stuff on a knife blade.

Anyway, I've thrown them into a pond or creek for years and shot at them with .22's. They float (more or less) and you can usually hit them numerous times before they break up and sink. I went out an shot some one day with a .45 Long Colt and it just drilled holes in them. Then, since I was wearing it anyway, I pulled out the Glock loaded with 9mm 90 gr JHP's from Sierra. At the shot, the fruit just disappeared. Some little pieces rained down a second or two later but mostly it was just gone. I guess they have enough moisture in them to be explosive with a really high speed hollow point. .357 Magnums with 110 gr. HP's work too. I like to use them for demonstrations to non-shooters. Easier than saving and filling 2 liter coke bottles and carrying them in and out of the field. And since the trees are small and have droopy limbs many times I can shoot them right off the lower branches with safety. BOOM, and they're gone. Something for nothing!

Gregg
 
Yvsa,
As with knives, how a hangun feels and handles is something very personal. I, for instance spent years training with the 1911 .45acp as that was what we were issued back in those days. I have always functioned very well with it's grip ergonomics. I still use one, but have discovered all of the wonderful differences out there. I normally carry a Sig P220 nowadays, but have been on the search for a smaller, powerful carry piece. I purchaced a Kahr K/40 stainless. All the people advising a Kahr as a fine small carry piece are correct. These little babys really perform. They are light , powerful, they have a really great DAO trigger and are surprisingly accurite. It is a gun that is small enough for baggy pocket carry. If you go to www.Kahr.com you can read some of the awesome write ups on these fine firearms. Good luck in your search.
 
Hey bro, it just occurred to me. You want to come down and look in my backyard?

The gummint seems to lose a lot of things on the rez. We used to be able to use a road on the rez that paralleled the bombing range, but then the Navy decided that there wasn't the right amount of junk on the bombing range, and deduced that if it warn't on the range it must be OFF the range... and it might still start ticking again.

Who knows what we might find? Be the first indin on your block to have his own cruise missile in the backyard, and then put a couple a them sidewinders on a trailer in the garage to guard against them teenage gangbangers doin a drive by. And while we're out there, we could get a couple dozen of them cacti to transplant to the mayor's ( or another jerk's ) backyard . Then if'n he ticks you off, stop at a pay phone and turn in a tip anonymously to the DEA.

Come to think of it, maybe ol' Al Gore might appreciate a few cactus plants on his Tennessee abode. I'm feelin downright horticulchurul lately.
 
Hey Gregg,

I shot at a tennis ball out in a lake a few years back, and missed....you know what?
I could hear the little bullet careen off the water and rattle around in the trees on the opposite shore about 300 yards away.

Ever since that day, I never shoot at anything on the water.

 
rdnzl wrote: "Ever since that day, I never shoot at anything on the water."

Now see, that's the advantage of living on your own land with no neighbors to speak of. My creek flows through some high banks. You can sit up high and shoot downward at a very steep angle. No way any of those bullets are going anywhere. And my two little ponds have high sides on them as well. In any case, my land is 90 acres. I live at the dead end of a dirt road. The property east of mine has been for sale since I moved in a year ago (no house). I have a neighbor to the south but his house and barn are about 5-600 yards away and over the hill. You can't see them from anywhere on my property. My nearest neighbor is right across the street to the west. That one is within 100 yards of my house so I don't shoot that way. To the north of my property is 480 acres that is empty. Every now and then the old guy puts a few cows out there but usually nothing but deer and coyotes. It is at least a mile (probably closer to two) to the nearest house to my north. So, like I said, I try not to make any "stray bullets" but I don't stress over what would happen if I produced one!

Gregg
 
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