*Official 2018 BF Knive: Poll 1/8: 2 Blades (Jack), 2 Blades or 3 Blades

[SV-97]

YES! 3 spring corkscrew, think about the krinking though...and blade-rub Might suit a drunk like me...always have something in reserve

Now on to the other polls

Did someone say corkscrew micarta? Ok ok, I'll stop

 

[FLymon]

Oh well.
Could have been a custom designed iconic knife from an iconic brand.
I guess a custom designed weird 2 blade one-off of the original still beats a poke in the eye any day .

Bring on round 2!

 

[rswanson]

Oh well.
Could have been a custom designed iconic knife from an iconic brand.
I guess a custom designed weird 2 blade one-off of the original still beats a poke in the eye any day .

Bring on round 2!

Yeah I gotta admit that when the idea of a Buck 301 started being floated around a month or so ago I was pretty excited. It's a difficult for me to reconcile that the majority wanted to modify the existing pattern (is that the correct word? Design maybe?) by pulling out a blade that was intended to be nestled into this frame. This is even more odd to me given the obvious hankering for traditional patterns and styles favored on the Porch.

I really do wish there was another frame style in the mix instead of the 301? that was intended for a dual blade/opposite end configuration. That build always look a better to my eye in a symmetrical frame. Well, mob rules so we're moving on. Let's make this skinny little guy look good!

Edit: Can we at least get Buck to officially declare this the 201?

 

[supratentorial]

Yeah I gotta admit that when the idea of a Buck 301 started being floated around a month or so ago I was pretty excited. It's a difficult for me to reconcile that the majority wanted to modify the existing pattern (is that the correct word? Design maybe?) by pulling out a blade that was intended to be nestled into this frame. This is even more odd to me given the obvious hankering for traditional patterns and styles favored on the Porch.

I really do wish there was another frame style in the mix instead of the 301? that was intended for a dual blade/opposite end configuration. That build always look a better to my eye in a symmetrical frame. Well, mob rules so we're moving on. Let's make this skinny little guy look good!

Edit: Can we at least get Buck to officially declare this the 201?

One of the wonders of the internet is the amount of inaccurate information. And in a topic with this many posts, a lot of those inaccuracies are repeated over and over again.

If the chosen pattern is so odd, then explain the Buck 305 "Lancer". Or explain any other double-end jack pattern that was built on a stockman frame for over 100 years.

This is the traditional forum so grab a copy of Bernard Levine's Guide and learn all you can about the wonderful history of pocket knives. And get on board with the chosen pattern for the forum knife. If you want a 3 blade, you can still buy one at any Buck reseller. You can even buy one with micarta and BG42 steel on the secondary market. This forum knife is not available any where else. This is history for the 301 in the making.

 

[jakemex]

I just unvoted... enjoy. I’ll wait until there’s a pattern etc more to my liking. No hard feelings guys, just bowing out.

 

[rswanson]

One of the wonders of the internet is the amount of inaccurate information. And in a topic with this many posts, a lot of those inaccuracies are repeated over and over again.

If the chosen pattern is so odd, then explain the Buck 305 "Lancer". Or explain any other double-end jack pattern that was built on a stockman frame for over 100 years.

This is the traditional forum so grab a copy of Bernard Levine's Guide and learn all you can about the wonderful history of pocket knives. And get on board with the chosen pattern for the forum knife. If you want a 3 blade, you can still buy one at any Buck reseller. You can even buy one with micarta and BG42 steel on the secondary market. This forum knife is not available any where else. This is history for the 301 in the making.

It's not that it doesn't exist. Versions of two bladed serpentine handle pocket knives exist and have for a long time

Your comment veers close to condescension so I hope none is intended! I don't have my copy of Levine's handy but if I recall, all pictures of the Schrade-produced 301 models are three bladed.

I'll be happy to buy the selected version, but let's not make the declaration of "Internet inaccuracy" that this particular frame is in any way proportionally equalvalent when bearing two- and three-bladed configurations. It's evident that the 301 frame is associated with the stockman layout. That's my point. The knife is an oddity, which I believe contributed to its selection. To quote your own post: "This is history for the 301"

Edit: and there's nothing wrong with oddity- sometimes great things come of it!

 

[supratentorial]

It's not that it doesn't exist. Versions of two bladed serpentine handle pocket knives exist and have for a long time

Your comment veers close to condescension so I hope none is intended! I don't have my copy of Levine's handy but if I recall, all pictures of the Schrade-produced 301 models are three bladed.

I'll be happy to buy the selected version, but let's not make the declaration of "Internet inaccuracy" that this particular frame is in any way proportionally equalvalent when bearing two- and three-bladed configurations. It's evident that the 301 frame is associated with the stockman layout. That's my point. The knife is an oddity, which I believe contributed to its selection. To quote your own post: "This is history for the 301"

Edit: and there's nothing wrong with oddity- sometimes great things come of it!

It's a difficult for me to reconcile that the majority wanted to modify the existing pattern (is that the correct word? Design maybe?) by pulling out a blade that was intended to be nestled into this frame. This is even more odd to me given the obvious hankering for traditional patterns and styles favored on the Porch.

What you describe is how many double end jacks were made for 100+ years. Also, Buck has made many knives exactly this way. They pulled out both the sheepfoot and spey from the 301 to make the 302 Solitaire. The 309 and 310 are 2 and 3 blade versions of the same knife. Etc.

To call it "odd" is not accurate.

Here's a similar discussion earlier in the topic: https://www.bladeforums.com/threads...ades-or-3-blades.1582355/page-7#post-18078815

 

[Jsega51]

Time to take a breath I think...this poll is over with so it’s all a moot point now.

 

[rswanson]

Time to take a breath I think...this poll is over with so it’s all a moot point now.

Not upset on my end...my skin is pretty thick. My opinion is just that. Moving on!

 

[supratentorial]

Since the pattern has been decided, the criticism is no longer constructive. It would be nice if everyone rallied behind this group effort.

 

[Ernie1980]

I, along with 168 others, am very excited about this new pattern! I am picturing various covers on it now...

 

[FLymon]

I agree with what Bernard Levine says about rare knives, not in this case strictly about value but more about desirability.
A 301 with a few special features is desirable because the 301 is is ubiquitous, traditional. A 2 blade riff on the 301 frame where every aspect is unique to that one run of a few hundred knives? Not so traditional, to me anyway.

It's all good though, with everything getting voted on we are in control that's for sure, so we will all get what 'we' wanted. I just think we are going to end up with a knife that if it wasn't the official 2018 Forum Knife would never see the light of day, and for good reason. That is the attraction for many though, I get that.

Unless I am wrong (and there are several folks around from the beginning that can set me straight I think), 'never before seen' was not a requirement, nor the purpose for the project. It just seems like 'special' and 'unique' are carrying way more weight than 'traditional' these days.

That said, I am stoked this is happening and can't wait to see what we produce. I would gladly order sight unseen to keep the tradition rolling.

 

[r8shell]

There is an expression, "designed by committee." It's not generally used as a compliment. We want something "traditional" but also want our forum knife to be something we couldn't just go out and buy easily, or what's the point in having it made to our specs? It's a balancing act, I guess.

I don't see this knife as all that much of an oddball, though. Lots of "Improved Muskrats" have a serpentine frame and two different blade shapes. Check this one out:

 

[abbydaddy]

There is an expression, "designed by committee." It's not generally used as a compliment. We want something "traditional" but also want our forum knife to be something we couldn't just go out and buy easily, or what's the point in having it made to our specs? It's a balancing act, I guess.

I don't see this knife as all that much of an oddball, though. Lots of "Improved Muskrats" have a serpentine frame and two different blade shapes. Check this one out:

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I find that muskrat extremely desirable. Yes. Yes indeed. I wish we could get the clip switched to a Turkish clip like that on the forum knife. Obviously, as was made clear from the outset, changing the blade designs is a no go, but I can wish.

Maybe I will start thinking of the 2018 knife as the Stockrat.

 

[NJBillK]

There is an expression, "designed by committee." It's not generally used as a compliment. We want something "traditional" but also want our forum knife to be something we couldn't just go out and buy easily, or what's the point in having it made to our specs? It's a balancing act, I guess.

I don't see this knife as all that much of an oddball, though. Lots of "Improved Muskrats" have a serpentine frame and two different blade shapes. Check this one out:

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The Improved Muskrat or "Hawbaker" has always been on my hit list, and this Forum Knife is a definite buy for me.

The Hawbaker has been around for a very long time, and for those to say that it isn't "traditional" are being read (by me) as not being "traditional to the 301". Due to this, there is a small point of contention. I personally do not see it this way, as the pattern is well established, and can be bought second hand dating back to the early 20th century, albeit they are rare, and will fetch a pretty penny... That is all the more reason to get one made for us.

 

[supratentorial]

I agree with what Bernard Levine says about rare knives, not in this case strictly about value but more about desirability.
A 301 with a few special features is desirable because the 301 is is ubiquitous, traditional. A 2 blade riff on the 301 frame where every aspect is unique to that one run of a few hundred knives? Not so traditional, to me anyway.

It's all good though, with everything getting voted on we are in control that's for sure, so we will all get what 'we' wanted. I just think we are going to end up with a knife that if it wasn't the official 2018 Forum Knife would never see the light of day, and for good reason. That is the attraction for many though, I get that.

Unless I am wrong (and there are several folks around from the beginning that can set me straight I think), 'never before seen' was not a requirement, nor the purpose for the project. It just seems like 'special' and 'unique' are carrying way more weight than 'traditional' these days.

That said, I am stoked this is happening and can't wait to see what we produce. I would gladly order sight unseen to keep the tradition rolling.

There's a lot of truth to Levine's assessment, but it is certainly not something that we should want to aspire to. Haha!

Here's a quote from Levine that is pinned at the top of the forum...

RARITY is a negative factor in value, a strong negative factor. Men are sheep. This goes double for collectors, triple for arms collectors.
They ONLY want what the other sheep already have.
Show them something rare, or perish forbid unique , and they fall over and start to twitch, foam at the mouth.

 

[afishhunter]

I can only hope that when Buck sees the demand for a custom 301 this forum knife is sure to indicate, Buck will wait 3 or 4 years before making a "hold the spey blade" an option in the Custom Shop ... and not offer in the Custom Shop whatever cover material is chosen for our knife.

 

[Ernie1980]

Even if Buck does offer a 301 down the road through the custom shop it wouldn’t have our unique tang stamp. Also, 154 is not currently offered blade steel so that would set it apart also.

 

[afishhunter]

Even if Buck does offer a 301 down the road through the custom shop it wouldn’t have our unique tang stamp. Also, 154 is not currently offered blade steel so that would set it apart also.

All true.
But not noticeable to the casual observer.

I'll shut up now.

 

[tmd_87]

Just gonna embrace it for what it is! Gonna be a cool knife and uniquely Blade Forums!