Ok....I killed my Basic 5

OwenM

OwenM

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A little history:
My union has been on strike for the last seven weeks, and the employees are all scheduled to picket outside the gate one night a week. We keep fire barrels going all the time (even though the weather has been warm this week, and we've only been maintaining one of them), cause they are a pain to get going again. Normally the company sends coke (think coal) out for us to burn, but they stopped doing that for the most part, and we have a pile of old weathered pallets that we can burn.
For the last three weeks, on my night, I've been using my Basic 5 to break down pallets. Yeah, I've got better tools for the job, sitting right out there in the garage, but I keep forgetting to throw them in the truck. Besides, it's kind of fun doing it with a knife...

Prying apart some pallets last night, and didn't take the hint when the blade started taking on the shape of a rainbow with the last inch of the blade under a board. Instead I turned the blade around so the edge wouldn't get messed up any more than it already was on the nails, and beat it in with the butt of my flashlight 'til about 3 inches of blade was under the board, thinking it would act as a wedge and loosen up the nails. That didn't work, so after losing my grip and smacking my hand on the ground, I had a little, uh, "episode" that involved two feet on the pallet, and a certain fool jerking the handle of his knife up and down with both hands.
Now I have a Basic 2:(

I've used the knife for this several times with no problems, and don't ever remember any blade flex at all-the boards always split apart, or the nails pull out (sometimes I would even put the blade under a board and stomp on the handle), but this time was different, and I'm feeling pretty dumb, dumb, dumb.
And I'd really like to know where that pallet came from:mad:

What I get for using my knife as a crowbar all the time.
Kicking myself.
Here's a pic of the blade:
edited to remove pic-I should have taken this up with Jerry first, and apologize for this, and the fact that the pic has been used to push other products:(
 
But look like your getting a new blade! Maybe a flaw with the blade. Send it back to Jerry and get a new one.
 
All blades will break if you induce enough torque. One of the better abilites of the Busse blades is that this happens at a large flex, which gives you a wide safety margin. Many common "tactical" knives will break at only 20-30 degrees, which means if you pry with them, they will bend to no great degree and then snap suddenly with no warning. If you pry with one of the INFI blades it will go significantly further and take a decent load, but yes at some point it will break.

I broke a Strider WB doing something very similar, I stood on the blade, it snapped under a very low flex. I stood on the BM and induced a much larger flex without any problems, I didn't let my full weight come across it however as that would very likely have broke it, generating a torque of 3500+ inch.lbs . Fallkniven also have break tests done on their blades, you can see the torques listed on their website.

-Cliff
 
Holy cow:eek: That's a doosie!
I hear Jerry recently discovered a way to braze M-INFI with a mixture of melted Middleton plastic tips, naval lint impregnated with grinder filings and a flux combo of Black Label backwash and late night ear wax minings! Should do just the trick when you send it back to the shop:D

Seriously though, get in touch with the shop and discuss it with 'em. They should be able to get you back to tearing apart those pallets:)
 
Holy nuclear pallets Batman!!!!! Send it in, we'll bury her for you right next to Cliff's, then we'll replace her. . . . you're covered!. . . . errrrr. . . I mean we have just rewritten our guarantee to only cover non-abusive mishaps. Only string cutting and envelope opening are covered. Sadly, you are screwed out of your investment. . . Whoa! Wait a minute! I just re-read this thread. . . I thought that it was Cliff that broke the knife. . . . OwenM, YOU are covered! I just wanted to join the long list of makers and manufacturers who change their warranty when it involves covering Cliff ;)

Nuke on!

Jerry
 
OwenM: i don't mean this to be in any way offensive, but: How Large are you? you must be either a really big dude or a really strong dude to break a Busse knife! Jerry will, of course, take care of ya. He's good to his "kin." He will make things "palletable" for you again soon. (i just HAD to say that...;) )
Cliff Stamp -- Ha, Ha! you go, big guy! BREAK those Strider knives! Break 'em all! Ha! ats-34 vs INFI ??? you gotta be kiddin... That's like dried twigs versus Abrams A-1 Tank Armor! Ha! :cool:
Nuke On!!!
INFInite fan of Real-World BladeWare,
and NUCLEAR POWERED,
C L
 
You're more of a man than I am :D !

You know, this is the only instance I know of where a person has accidentally broken their Busse. I wonder what model you will get from the shop? Perhaps a SJ?
 
Who put that finger groove in your blade. Looks like a groove was ground out at the base of the blade. If it was done improperly it could have jacked the heat treat right around the area the knife broke. Not that it will mess with the warranty. God I love Busse knives.
 
Good Point, Ryu... that thought crossed my mind about the enlarged choil, but i didn't mention it: at least one of us is thinkin' ! :rolleyes:
Nuclear Powered,
C L
 
Hey guys, I actually brought that up on that "regrets" thread (before I started this thread) when Eric said something about it.
Originally posted by OwenM
I'll post about it in a few minutes, I guess. Don't know about replacing the blade. My Basic 5 was one of those that Mike Turber put some serrations on, plus I ground a grooved choil in their place, later. Blade didn't break there, but....it was a modified blade, and I wouldn't expect it to be covered.
Sorry to get OT.
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So...I'll send it to Jerry to check out. If he wants to replace it, fine. Either way, you'll hear no complaints from me.

Climber, I'm 5'6":p..but, I ain't average;)

Jerry, I'll call the shop tomorrow about sending you the remains. Did I say I was prying with it? I meant I was cutting a thread off my shirt and the blade broke. These new fabrics....
 
OwenM -- i NEVER thot for an INSTANT that you were "average," my friend! ;) Hey, you're a Busse owner: that means you are WAY above "Average." Tsk, tsk! :)
Yours in Nuclear Abusiveness!
C L
 
Broke it on a Pallet :eek:

Hey has Jerry been making pallets too?;)

Put that Blade in the Busse Museum next to Cliff's Basic 7 :D:D
 
Since the Basics line is discontinued, what will OwenM receive? Will Jerry repair it or replace it? Replace it with what?
 
Corbon, I can't find the thread, but this was brought up
when the E handled knives were introduced. They will replace
the knife with a knife of equal value!!

If I'm full of crap, someone tell me!!;)
 
...both with Owen for performing this ungodly real world 'field' test to margin (limits), and with Mr. Jerry 'no questions asked' Busse!

Outstanding 'effort' there guys... ;)

Watch out Cliff, I think Owen is drafting your six...lol

Damn, now I have to buy a Busse...or three...
 
Originally posted by Melvin-Purvis
...both with Owen for performing this ungodly real world 'field' test to margin (limits), and with Mr. Jerry 'no questions asked' Busse!

Outstanding 'effort' there guys... ;)

Watch out Cliff, I think Owen is drafting your six...lol
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Amen, Brother Purvis. Owen's been up front with what he's been doing with it, and Jerry's covering it. Two grown gentlemen taking care of business in a manner that is all too rare these days. :)

Unless Jerry has Owen read the fine print about warranties not covering use in weather cold enough to necessitate fire barrels... :p
 
I too am very impressed with the performance first of the Basic 5 and then of the performance of Jerry Busse and his "stand" on this warranty issue. Bravo Jerry!!
This thread convinced me that Busse combat is a company who's performance and attitude matches that of the legendary knives that they make. That to me is the total package and as a result I ordered a PBF killer B from the factory this week and then today sent off payment to Danbo for his Natual Outlaw. I want to support a company that "get's it". (Ok,I just had to get in on this nuclear thing.:cool: )
 
Originally posted by utmts4me
I too am very impressed with the performance first of the Basic 5
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I can't tell you how glad I am that you said that!
It worried me that posting a broken Busse might have someone thinking "so they're not that great, after all".
They really are. I've done stuff with that Basic 5 that I would never do with any of my other knives. It was not my "daily carry". I kept it in my truck, and when I knew I was going to be doing something that I had no business doing with a knife--out came the Busse. I rarely "used" it, but often abused it:) This time (tsk, tsk, temper, temper) I just went too far. Far beyond what I would ever expect any knife to hold up to.

Congratulations on that NO. I had one and sold it awhile back, which I really regret. It is a great knife. Started to email Danbo about that one, but was short of cash (haven't had a paycheck in two months), and didn't want to dig into the savings. I'll buy another one as soon as possible, though.

Owen
 
Hey Owen, I would be careful burning pallets. Many times the preservative used on them has heavy metals and cyanide in it. Just how much is given off in burning I do not know. I do know that a billionaire that owns a huge home improvement store chain, got nailed with a couple hundred thousand dollar fine for burning them on his back 40 instead of disposing of them in an approved manner. He was specifically trying to avoid paying for disposal though. He is a bit eccentric. Maybe not all pallets are treat in the same way. But then again maybe since you are on strike the company figures a little toxic gas would not hurt you. Seems the Busse held up pretty darn well.
 
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