Okay, what happens to the Becker line?

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Okay, since Camillus is supposedly done for, any news on whats going to happen with the Becker line? Does Camillus own the rights to the Becker line? Not custom made pieces by Mr Becker, just on pieces factory made, and is it tangled in legal documents.
 
If the Becker/Camillus nexus is the same as most such designer/maker relationships industry wide, Camillus likely has a licensing contract with Ethan. If/when they cease to meet the terms of the contract (terms vary), the contract is void, and Ethan can assign the license to whomever he wishes, be it Arrowhead or Benchmade, Cold Steel or Taylor or Case or Ontario. Most contracts are for a determinate period, renewable at the maker's option, include a base fee to start with (renumeration for consideration), and an ongoing per piece royalty fee, payable quarterly, yearly, or however they work it out in contract negotiations. When one party breaks the terms of the contract, the other is released from their obligations, and the contract is voided. This is my best guess based on what I know about such agreements. I have not seen the contract, nor spoken with Ethan about it. Perhaps it is he you should ask.

Codger
 
Thanks for the information, I knew that there was an agreement, but did not know the particulars of similar agreements, and what the m o is for such agreements. I don't have Ethans contact information, but I will contact him when I do find it. I guess his website would be a good place to check out ;).

Thanks again.
 
i hope it doesnt go to taylor , as all his brands are shit e.g mustang , smith and wesson , the new schrade..............
 
Mustang was made by Parker Cutlery of Tenn. in Japan.Good little knife.
 
SIRGALANT said:
i hope it doesnt go to taylor
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When Camillus Cutlery doesn't own the BK&T trademarks but only has
a licence agreement with BK&T, then BK&T can choose a new licensee
in case the licence agreement gets broken for whatever reason.

I really can't imagine that BK&T would choose Taylor Cutlery as its new
licensee. A knife company with production in the USA would be a more
likely licensee, in my opinion.
 
I just threw out some names off the top of my head. He can license to whomever he chooses based upon his own criteria (sweetest deal with fewest flies).

Codger
 
o.k i appologize about the mustang thing , but you gotta admit , the rest are shit..........
 
I've reviewed several of the patterns and found that they were not cutlered. Copying the materials and shape is not enough. They are knife-like objects that approximate the looks of real Imperial Schrade Corporation knives in photos, but close side by side comparison shows the obvious differences in fit and function. The ones I have held were not well made, but I suspect that will change. They might even begin to use real top grain cowhide for the sheaths instead of reconstituted leather. They might figure out how to cutler the multitools so that they open and close smoothly. They might learn how to make a lockback so that it has a sweet walk and talk, and so that the liners are flush with no gaps, the pins don't protrude, the covers and bolsters meet in a smooth transition. The Chinese making these for Taylor eventually will learn to make servicable knives. The Japanese did with our technology and help. The Chinese will never use fair labor and trade practices as long as they are an opressive communist nation. Why we allow them to co-opt our industries, subvert our economy, replace our workers, flood our market with products made with what amounts to slave labor, I'll never understand. As for me, I'll boycott the Chinese goods as often as possible, even though I have to pay more for my purchases.

Incidentally, not all of the Taylor sold knives are imported junk. Taylor does not make knives, but orders them from manufacturers, and some knives are being made by Arrowhead here in the States and are fairly good quality.

Codger

Codger
 
nx2000,
I think there is a big difference between knives made in Taiwan & knives made in China.

My biggest objection to buying knives made in China (aside from the lack of quality) is that we are helping build the industrial base of the one country who might be able to beat us in a war (and are idealistically predisposed to do so) and it takes jobs away form American workers.

Just my $.02,
Dale
 
orvet said:
nx2000,
I think there is a big difference between knives made in Taiwan & knives made in China.
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That's absolutely true. Gerber had some really, really nice knives made in Taiwan in the 1980s. The one I have is a large, drop point lockback with stainless bolsters/liners, an AUS8A blade, and it's SMOOTH. If it didn't say "Taiwan" on the back, you'd guess it came from one of the high end factories in Seki City in Japan.
 
I have to agree on the Taiwan knives...
I have a CRKT Nessmuk in AUS6 which I like very much.

It takes a wicked edge, is easy to sharpen and cuts beautifully.

I boned out half a lamb last week for a barbecue and it performed very well.

For the price of $17 I have no complaints at all.
 
I will say the Becker line will be the first to dry up when Camillus is officially closed. I am going to stock up on a couple of extra BK9s, and 7s.
 
orvet said:
nx2000,
I think there is a big difference between knives made in Taiwan & knives made in China.

My biggest objection to buying knives made in China (aside from the lack of quality) is that we are helping build the industrial base of the one country who might be able to beat us in a war (and are idealistically predisposed to do so) and it takes jobs away form American workers.

Just my $.02,
Dale
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True!! Look at the real nice knives Benchmade is having made for them in Taiwan, and some of (SOME of) the CRKTs. I've not yet seen a Chinese knife anywhere near the quallity of Taiwanese knives.

But one thing - if the Chinese continue to manufacture knives, they'll probably get better and better at it, the same way they got better and better at making stereos and telephones and ipods and computers...and cameras...etc...etc...

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But I realize that's off-topic.

What happens with Becker depends largely - as many have posted here - on what kind of deal Becker has with Camillus. Did Ethan Becker sell the rights? Did he/does her license them? If we can find this out, we'll have a much better idea of what will happen with the Becker line.

Perhaps Mr. Becker or someone else who knows can join this thread & clue us in!
 
Mountainwind said:
I am going to stock up on a couple of extra BK9s, and 7s.
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I'm in the process of doing this right now! What a great reason (excuse?) to buy some great knives!! :)
 
Speaking of Made in China knives, I had a real nice Kershaw Echo, really performed well, but I just couldn't wrap my head around it being made in China. Kicking myself that I sold that knife...
 
I just hope Bark River picks up the contract to build Beckers so I can get a BRK&T BK&T BK7 in A2 :D
 
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