"Old Knives"

[waynorth]

I sure don't know the answer to the duplex metal pins on the Western States, but it gave me an excuse to show another Western States. Full size stockman. Apparently a Christmas present that went directly into someone's dresser drawer with the socks.
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New in the Box!!! Nice!!!

 

[wlfryjr]

Colorful and lovely HJs Charlie, love that trademark etch.
If only I could have stayed that preserved Cal.

 

[Campbellclanman]

WOW!
That cattle is a beautiful example Cal.
Charlie those two Hj’s - oh man!!!! stellar to say the least.
Cal that larger Western States is a Stunning Knife matey.

 

[r8shell]

Ulster is one of my favorite makers Rachel.

I can see why, they're really nice knives.

Boring pattern (?) done very very well.

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Nothing boring about that Ulster. Fantastic!

Here's one with a lot more wear:

 

[Primble]

I've had this Cattaraugus 22979 half whittler for about eight years and it's spent a lot of time on my magnet display board. I had only one picture of it and kept meaning to take more, but, something always distracted me, until this morning. It's a nice size at 3.5 inches closed. I finally remembered to take a pile side picture.

 

[wlfryjr]

Campbellclanman ,do you have this book ?
The Best of Sears Collectibles, 1905-1910

The reason I ask is I found this interesting cut about my Wilbert farmer jack. It says Sears are the initiators ( " An entirely new pattern of our own design") of the modified versions I named rooster combs ( after the term used around this way for all farmer jacks ).

 

[waynorth]

Campbellclanman ,do you have this book ?
The Best of Sears Collectibles, 1905-1910

The reason I ask is I found this interesting cut about my Wilbert farmer jack. It says Sears are the initiators ( " An entirely new pattern of our own design") of the modified versions I named rooster combs ( after the term used around this way for all farmer jacks ).


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An Historic Knife and Story, Lyle!!

 

[wlfryjr]

An Historic Knife and Story, Lyle!!

Thanks Charlie.
This cut came from " The Best of Sears Collectibles, 1905-1910".
Its Camillus contract unless Camillus copied this Wilbert for their patterns.That would be Camillus Cutlery Co. in it's infancy.

 

[waynorth]

Thanks Charlie.
This cut came from " The Best of Sears Collectibles, 1905-1910".
Its Camillus contract unless Camillus copied this Wilbert for their patterns.That would be Camillus Cutlery Co. in it's infancy.

Which came first, The Wilbert or Camillus?? Ha Ha!! Both ca. 1900 - 1902!!

 

[Campbellclanman]

Campbellclanman ,do you have this book ?
The Best of Sears Collectibles, 1905-1910

The reason I ask is I found this interesting cut about my Wilbert farmer jack. It says Sears are the initiators ( " An entirely new pattern of our own design") of the modified versions I named rooster combs ( after the term used around this way for all farmer jacks ).


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Hey there Lyle

That book is on my hit list, buying a book from overseas is crippling because of the Freight cost.

That’s very interesting about your Farmers Jack, I haven't got that particular advertisement on that Knife ( imagine just how many there are).

Sears Catalogs are so interesting to go through- was that just clever Marketing with their wording Lyle ?Sears were continually re-inventing their Marketing to the public.
Myself personally I haven't seen the Farmers Jack in pages of Catalog pages I have from 1902, 1905, 1910 - but that is not to say I have all the pages- and Oh Boy would I like them all to study!!!

The closest I found in the Farmers Jack is the same frame as the farmers Jack - but with a Wharnclife Blade and two pens ( Whittler Styled) - one being advertised with three Crocus Polished Blades in the 1900 c Catalog page and another under the TTC brand name of Sears in 1905 they call it " New England Workman's Knife" then go on to describe it as the Carpenters / Cabinet Makers Knife.

Another Catalog advertisement I found interesting was in a 1902 Catalog - The way they marketed and their descriptions in these advertisements a Knife called the "Austrian Hunter " they explain how the knife was imported from Austria, and described how the quality wasn't up to scratch- so they ( Sears ) Reproduced the Knife in America because of the popularity of the shape, so Sears worded things strongly to have the perception they were the Manufacturer - hence the Brand names that soon took over any actual manufacturers identification ( and again - what makes this so interesting that at different times- knives at times did show the Manufacturer as well as Sears Branding in the etches etc - which keeps us on our toes lol).

Here is the exact Knife Sears Austrian Knife they talked about ( made by A.D Wadsworth )

 

[wlfryjr]

Which came first, The Wilbert or Camillus?? Ha Ha!! Both ca. 1900 - 1902!!

The chicken!!
Both's right!! Ha Ha ha

Hey there Lyle

That book is on my hit list, buying a book from overseas is crippling because of the Freight cost.

That’s very interesting about your Farmers Jack, I haven't got that particular advertisement on that Knife ( imagine just how many there are).

Sears Catalogs are so interesting to go through- was that just clever Marketing with their wording Lyle ?Sears were continually re-inventing their Marketing to the public.
Myself personally I haven't seen the Farmers Jack in pages of Catalog pages I have from 1902, 1905, 1910 - but that is not to say I have all the pages- and Oh Boy would I like them all to study!!!

The closest I found in the Farmers Jack is the same frame as the farmers Jack - but with a Wharnclife Blade and two pens ( Whittler Styled) - one being advertised with three Crocus Polished Blades in the 1900 c Catalog page and another under the TTC brand name of Sears in 1905 they call it " New England Workman's Knife" then go on to describe it as the Carpenters / Cabinet Makers Knife.

Another Catalog advertisement I found interesting was in a 1902 Catalog - The way they marketed and their descriptions in these advertisements a Knife called the "Austrian Hunter " they explain how the knife was imported from Austria, and described how the quality wasn't up to scratch- so they ( Sears ) Reproduced the Knife in America because of the popularity of the shape, so Sears worded things strongly to have the perception they were the Manufacturer - hence the Brand names that soon took over any actual manufacturers identification ( and again - what makes this so interesting that at different times- knives at times did show the Manufacturer as well as Sears Branding in the etches etc - which keeps us on our toes lol).

Here is the exact Knife Sears Austrian Knife they talked about ( made by A.D Wadsworth )

There weren't as many lawyers back then drumming up lawsuits, so Sears and MIKE could say whatever they pleased to enhance marketing. It's also a strong possibility their statement is true. Either way Camillus wasn't going to alienate Sears and MIKE.

 

[Augie]

I've had this Cattaraugus 22979 half whittler for about eight years and it's spent a lot of time on my magnet display board. I had only one picture of it and kept meaning to take more, but, something always distracted me, until this morning. It's a nice size at 3.5 inches closed. I finally remembered to take a pile side picture.

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Nice one Rob, here is a 22969, a little smaller I think. The detail in those little slim slabs of bone is just amazing.

 

[Primble]

Nice one Rob, here is a 22969, a little smaller I think. The detail in those little slim slabs of bone is just amazing.


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That's a fine example John !
How long is it closed ?
I rotated mine off of my magnet board for a while and will carry it a bit. It always reminds me of a day, right after I got it and cleaned it up. I carried it that day, when I took my now late mother out of town to some Antique stores and we enjoyed a nice lunch, as well. Now, every time I carry it, I think of that day. I would slip it out of my watch pocket and admire it a little more, as we shopped.

Harder to work on those small or slim knives.

 

[wlfryjr]

Nice knives Rob and John. We do miss our Moms, nobody like them to whom we were always their babies.

Hey there Lyle

That book is on my hit list, buying a book from overseas is crippling because of the Freight cost.

The book is on Amazon. Is shipping costs for Amazon exorbitant too?

The Best of Sears Collectibles, 1905-1910: Sears, Roebuck and Company: 9780405066887: Amazon.com: Books

The Best of Sears Collectibles, 1905-1910 [Sears, Roebuck and Company] on Amazon.com. *FREE* shipping on qualifying offers. The Best of Sears Collectibles, 1905-1910

www.amazon.com

 

[Campbellclanman]

Hi Lyle

Thank you for that- Sears History is so amazing - I wish I had so more more time.

Lyle, I don't doubt for a minute that the SFO's for Sears may have had the talks with Knife Manufacturers that lead to different designs, I remember reading an advertisement that Sears made this knife in their own Cutler Manufacturing plant - so its interesting to see just how they worded things, more than interesting as I find the whole Sears story fascinating.

Lyle when I click on that Link- to New Zealand it reads Freight is U.S $59.00 which equals NZ $97.00 + NZ$25 for the Book then whatever tax will be on that.

 

[wlfryjr]

Hi Lyle

Thank you for that- Sears History is so amazing - I wish I had so more more time.

Lyle, I don't doubt for a minute that the SFO's for Sears may have had the talks with Knife Manufacturers that lead to different designs, I remember reading an advertisement that Sears made this knife in their own Cutler Manufacturing plant - so its interesting to see just how they worded things, more than interesting as I find the whole Sears story fascinating.

Lyle when I click on that Link- to New Zealand it reads Freight is U.S $59.00 which equals NZ $97.00 + NZ$25 for the Book then whatever tax will be on that.

Wow Duncan. That's crazy. Here's what I get now. Mine new cost less by a penny:

Buy used: $6.49


$3.99 delivery January 11 - 12. Details
Or fastest delivery January 6 - 11. Details

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[Campbellclanman]

I know your having fun making me jealous Lyle

 

[Fodderwing]

Lyle & Duncan - just in case you are not aware of them. Booksprice.com is a wonderful place to buy books for pennies on the dollar. I use them constantly. That book is as low as $3.50 (slightly used). Don't know about shipping but they use sellers from around the world.

 

[wlfryjr]

Lyle & Duncan - just in case you are not aware of them. Booksprice.com is a wonderful place to buy books for pennies on the dollar. I use them constantly. That book is as low as $3.50 (slightly used). Don't know about shipping but they use sellers from around the world.

Thanks Dwight.
Duncan knows, unfortunately.
I checked the cheapest one at Abe Books, book is $4.29 , shipping to NZ is $120 American !

 

[Augie]

That's a fine example John !
How long is it closed ?
I rotated mine off of my magnet board for a while and will carry it a bit. It always reminds me of a day, right after I got it and cleaned it up. I carried it that day, when I took my now late mother out of town to some Antique stores and we enjoyed a nice lunch, as well. Now, every time I carry it, I think of that day. I would slip it out of my watch pocket and admire it a little more, as we shopped.

Harder to work on those small or slim knives.

Thanks Rob, it's a little over 3".