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kreole
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At my parents for Christmas, I bothered my father into collecting up my grandfather's knives. I include some of them below (I must rely on my brother for pictures, as mine are always horrible at best, and he is picky about which ones he'll give me; "those didn't come out good enough," he keeps saying, though they're still better than any I've ever taken 
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I'm not sure how old they are, but he died before I was born. The keychain barlow and pearl handled one are Hammer Brand, and the others are Imperials. I rather like the keychain barlow.
). I'm not sure how old they are, but he died before I was born. The keychain barlow and pearl handled one are Hammer Brand, and the others are Imperials. I rather like the keychain barlow.
knowtracks
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I picked this little single spring tuxedo pattern up some time this last summer.
I'm thinkin it is an older Schatt by the 4 line tang stamp & the hammered pins... come to think of it it looks more like vise marks to me.
Long pulls on both the main & the manicure blade and some nice brown bone.
At 3" closed, the blade is 1 3/4". It feels kind of delicate to me but back in the day I bet it was a perfect "gentlemans" knife.
Dave
I'm thinkin it is an older Schatt by the 4 line tang stamp & the hammered pins... come to think of it it looks more like vise marks to me.
Long pulls on both the main & the manicure blade and some nice brown bone.
At 3" closed, the blade is 1 3/4". It feels kind of delicate to me but back in the day I bet it was a perfect "gentlemans" knife.
Dave
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Nice little knife!
The jigging looks like it "wraps" around the curve of the handle, and it's nicely proportioned to the slim pattern. Nice grinds - tough on that small of a scale! Looks well made!
Note the shield is the same as on our much larger 2010 swell center forum knife! Patrick said he found the shield in a dusty room somewhere!!
Thanks for showing us this old Schatt!:thumbup:
The jigging looks like it "wraps" around the curve of the handle, and it's nicely proportioned to the slim pattern. Nice grinds - tough on that small of a scale! Looks well made!
Note the shield is the same as on our much larger 2010 swell center forum knife! Patrick said he found the shield in a dusty room somewhere!!
Thanks for showing us this old Schatt!:thumbup:
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Goerge Ibberson Folding Pruner
"Known as a secateur, these articulated folding pruners measure 3 7/8" closed and 1 " wide. They are a stout, heavily sprung tool that still
has to be made to very precise tolerances and hence are difficult to construct properly. They weigh 7 ounces, yet both the hawkbill blade and the pruners both slice a sheet of paper cleanly. I believe they were built between 1920 and 1960, possibly while Stan Shaw was still employed at George Ibbersons'. The pruners are crocus polished while the blade is glaze finished. The unbolstered rosewood hafts are secured at each end with large steel birdseye rivets which serve as blade pivots. The liners are also all constructed of steel.
The pruners unfold as you can see and there is a return spring inlaid into the two halves, so after you snip a branch they open again automatically under spring power. The pruners also " pop up " out of the frame when their small folding catch is released, powered by this same spring inlaid beneath the blade pivot . A fairly common gardener's tool at one time, they have been sharpened and well used over the years but still retain most of their original finish. The company was founded by Joseph Ibberson in 1700 and remained in business with an Ibberson at it's head until the 1980's when it was taken over by another entity. Their trademarks were the violin and the words and mark " Double Sharp ", ##."
"Known as a secateur, these articulated folding pruners measure 3 7/8" closed and 1 " wide. They are a stout, heavily sprung tool that still
has to be made to very precise tolerances and hence are difficult to construct properly. They weigh 7 ounces, yet both the hawkbill blade and the pruners both slice a sheet of paper cleanly. I believe they were built between 1920 and 1960, possibly while Stan Shaw was still employed at George Ibbersons'. The pruners are crocus polished while the blade is glaze finished. The unbolstered rosewood hafts are secured at each end with large steel birdseye rivets which serve as blade pivots. The liners are also all constructed of steel.
The pruners unfold as you can see and there is a return spring inlaid into the two halves, so after you snip a branch they open again automatically under spring power. The pruners also " pop up " out of the frame when their small folding catch is released, powered by this same spring inlaid beneath the blade pivot . A fairly common gardener's tool at one time, they have been sharpened and well used over the years but still retain most of their original finish. The company was founded by Joseph Ibberson in 1700 and remained in business with an Ibberson at it's head until the 1980's when it was taken over by another entity. Their trademarks were the violin and the words and mark " Double Sharp ", ##."
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neat knife
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Agree, that Ibberson pruner/secataur is a very tidy example, the glazed blade although sharpened looks full, really nice.
I've owned half a dozen of these pruner/secataurs only two have been marked inside the liners with Stan Shaw's SS-(57) mark. Stan always maintains he was the only cutler to make this pattern at Ibbersons. When new they came complete with a leather case (see pic).
The blades on these knives are evil sharp when new, exceptional blade steel.
Mick
I've owned half a dozen of these pruner/secataurs only two have been marked inside the liners with Stan Shaw's SS-(57) mark. Stan always maintains he was the only cutler to make this pattern at Ibbersons. When new they came complete with a leather case (see pic).
The blades on these knives are evil sharp when new, exceptional blade steel.
Mick
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A Figural for the thread. Marked HENRY SEARS & SON 1865. A Tobacco advertising knife made after 1891 and before 1919 marked PRUSSIA. I'm unsure how this promotion worked.....maybe send in 5 proof of purchase and 25 cents & receive a neat pocket knife??
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I didn't really miss the "point," but I have to say I love that "double sharp" trademark as well.
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Another from my friend & here's what he wrote :
"When I think of Case, this is the pattern I think of. It's my favorite Case pattern. To me, it's maybe the ideal pocketknife period. At
3 11/16" closed it's big enough, but not too big for front pocket carry. Normally, I wouldn't care much for slick black scales, but on this example with the pins, liners, bolsters and shield all formed of nickel silver, they look like they belong there.... all black and " white ". Normally I also prefer a spear main in a cattle pattern, but in this " 1/2 " example, the clip perfectly shields the profile of the sheepfoot blade from the front, so you don't see it sticking way up in the air like on many cattle patterns. As a matter of fact, the spines of both the clip and sheepfoot are perfectly contoured to and flush with one another. The pen is nested near flush with the liner, yet the scale ease for it makes access a snap. The knife is both hand and pocket friendly, as the era when it was built was back when they still took the time to fully round and contour the scales and bolsters all the way to the liners. In addition to being nearly round in cross section, the two main blades are flush on top, and on top of that it is built with fully sunk joints. A very smooth knife from any angle. This example has been well used and carried, is heavily scratched and pitted, and the scales aren't really slick any more, all nicked up from carry. The blades are still near full, and owing to the fact that the steel is way behind the times, and ground nice and thin like blades should be ground, it is fast and easy to keep it scary sharp"
"When I think of Case, this is the pattern I think of. It's my favorite Case pattern. To me, it's maybe the ideal pocketknife period. At
3 11/16" closed it's big enough, but not too big for front pocket carry. Normally, I wouldn't care much for slick black scales, but on this example with the pins, liners, bolsters and shield all formed of nickel silver, they look like they belong there.... all black and " white ". Normally I also prefer a spear main in a cattle pattern, but in this " 1/2 " example, the clip perfectly shields the profile of the sheepfoot blade from the front, so you don't see it sticking way up in the air like on many cattle patterns. As a matter of fact, the spines of both the clip and sheepfoot are perfectly contoured to and flush with one another. The pen is nested near flush with the liner, yet the scale ease for it makes access a snap. The knife is both hand and pocket friendly, as the era when it was built was back when they still took the time to fully round and contour the scales and bolsters all the way to the liners. In addition to being nearly round in cross section, the two main blades are flush on top, and on top of that it is built with fully sunk joints. A very smooth knife from any angle. This example has been well used and carried, is heavily scratched and pitted, and the scales aren't really slick any more, all nicked up from carry. The blades are still near full, and owing to the fact that the steel is way behind the times, and ground nice and thin like blades should be ground, it is fast and easy to keep it scary sharp"
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Robeson used quite a lot of slick black handles. Some of it was shiney, like on
the Case posted above. Some had a flat finish and might have been a kind of
fibre material.
Here are some examples:
This is a 3 5/8" equal-end with a sabre-cut clip and pen blade.
The slick black handles have an interesting and, I think, earlier PocketEze
shield.
The blade joints are sunk flush with the frame.
The pattern number is 323826.
The knife is in Excellent unsharpened condition.
This is an identical pattern, but the PocketEze shield is the later oval type.
Length, of course, is 3 5/8".
Pattern number the same, 323826.
The blade joints are sunk flush with the frame.
The knife is in Excellent Unsharpened condition.
This knife is a 3" equal-end with clip and pen blades.
The master is etched, "NEV_R_BIND OILESS BEARINGS" in a banner.
This is a MasterCraft knife with the bronze bearings.
The slick black handles have an oval PocketEze shield.
The blade joints are sunk flush with the frame.
Pattern number 323825.
The knife is in excellent unsharpened condition.
This knife is a 3" equal-end.
This is a post-WWII knife and has an oval ROBESON shield.
Pattern number 323675.
The knife is in excellent condition.
This dog leg jack has a sabre-cut master clip and pen blades.
3 1/2" long.
Slick black handles and oval PocketEze shield.
Blade joints are sunk flush with the frame.
Pattern number 323646.
The knife is in excellent condition.
This serpentine jack is 3 3/8" long.
Slick black handles with oval PocketEze shield.
Master clip and pen blades.
Blade joints are sunk flush with the frame.
Pattern number 323480.
The knife is in excellent unsharpened condition.
This regular jack is 3" long.
Master spear and pen blades.
Slick black handles with oval unmarked shield.
Pattern number 322026.
The knife is in excellent unsharpened condition.
This 3" Equal-end has flat black fibre handles and the liner edges wrap
around the edges of the scales.
Master spear and file blades.
Pattern number 128544 1-2.
Knife is in excellent unsharpened condition.
This 3 3/8" equal-end has a master spear and pen blade.
Flat black fibre handles with oval PocketEze shield.
Blade joints are sunk flush with the frame.
Pattern number 123597.
Knife is in excellent unsharpened condition.
This 3 3/8" equal-end has a master clip and pen blade.
Flat black fibre handles with oval PocketEze shield.
Blade joints are sunk flush with the frame.
Pattern number 123478.
Knife is in excellent unsharpened condition.
I posted this knife earlier, but it goes here, too.
It's a 3 5/8" equal-end carpenter's knife.
The slick black handles have a bar shield. The liners wrap around the edges of the scales. Note there are no handle pins.
Master clip, sheepfoot and special awl. Master blade etched
"Carpenter's Choice"
Pattern number 138433.
Knife is in excellent unsharpened condition.
This knife is like the two blade above, but it has four blades, a master spear,
pen, coping and file.
3" long.
Flat black fibre scales, again with the wrap around liners.
Pattern number 148544.
Knife is in excellent unsharpened condition.
the Case posted above. Some had a flat finish and might have been a kind of
fibre material.
Here are some examples:
This is a 3 5/8" equal-end with a sabre-cut clip and pen blade.
The slick black handles have an interesting and, I think, earlier PocketEze
shield.
The blade joints are sunk flush with the frame.
The pattern number is 323826.
The knife is in Excellent unsharpened condition.
This is an identical pattern, but the PocketEze shield is the later oval type.
Length, of course, is 3 5/8".
Pattern number the same, 323826.
The blade joints are sunk flush with the frame.
The knife is in Excellent Unsharpened condition.
This knife is a 3" equal-end with clip and pen blades.
The master is etched, "NEV_R_BIND OILESS BEARINGS" in a banner.
This is a MasterCraft knife with the bronze bearings.
The slick black handles have an oval PocketEze shield.
The blade joints are sunk flush with the frame.
Pattern number 323825.
The knife is in excellent unsharpened condition.
This knife is a 3" equal-end.
This is a post-WWII knife and has an oval ROBESON shield.
Pattern number 323675.
The knife is in excellent condition.
This dog leg jack has a sabre-cut master clip and pen blades.
3 1/2" long.
Slick black handles and oval PocketEze shield.
Blade joints are sunk flush with the frame.
Pattern number 323646.
The knife is in excellent condition.
This serpentine jack is 3 3/8" long.
Slick black handles with oval PocketEze shield.
Master clip and pen blades.
Blade joints are sunk flush with the frame.
Pattern number 323480.
The knife is in excellent unsharpened condition.
This regular jack is 3" long.
Master spear and pen blades.
Slick black handles with oval unmarked shield.
Pattern number 322026.
The knife is in excellent unsharpened condition.
This 3" Equal-end has flat black fibre handles and the liner edges wrap
around the edges of the scales.
Master spear and file blades.
Pattern number 128544 1-2.
Knife is in excellent unsharpened condition.
This 3 3/8" equal-end has a master spear and pen blade.
Flat black fibre handles with oval PocketEze shield.
Blade joints are sunk flush with the frame.
Pattern number 123597.
Knife is in excellent unsharpened condition.
This 3 3/8" equal-end has a master clip and pen blade.
Flat black fibre handles with oval PocketEze shield.
Blade joints are sunk flush with the frame.
Pattern number 123478.
Knife is in excellent unsharpened condition.
I posted this knife earlier, but it goes here, too.
It's a 3 5/8" equal-end carpenter's knife.
The slick black handles have a bar shield. The liners wrap around the edges of the scales. Note there are no handle pins.
Master clip, sheepfoot and special awl. Master blade etched
"Carpenter's Choice"
Pattern number 138433.
Knife is in excellent unsharpened condition.
This knife is like the two blade above, but it has four blades, a master spear,
pen, coping and file.
3" long.
Flat black fibre scales, again with the wrap around liners.
Pattern number 148544.
Knife is in excellent unsharpened condition.