"Old Knives"

[majorpain1]

Handful of Remingtons

 

[Campbellclanman]

M majorpain1 Early Remington Bone like the Bone Handles on that Scout is real hard to beat!

 

[galvanic1882]

Picked up another counter felt

 

[waynorth]

Picked up another counter feltView attachment 3175072

That's a nice one, Mike!!

 

[galvanic1882]

Thanks Charlie

 

[waynorth]

Thanks Charlie

It's cool seeing "Dwight Divine" and "Ellenville" on that felt!!

 

[Campbellclanman]

Nice Counter cloth Mike, awesome to see!

Now to drag the quality of this fine thread down somewhat.....

I came across this knife locally- being a bigger knife with what I think is quite nice Bone handles, I thought I would pick it up- I didn't cost a lot as you can see why, it must have had a good gathering of Rust and unfortunately - possibly the seller has cleaned this knife to the degree that it is sickeningly shiny with multitudes of pitting, NOTHING looks worse!
I notice that there are a LOT of old Sheffield's and older American knives on Facebook etc that are just gleaming- and everyone is coming expressing just how neat the knife is, I really have to bite my tongue and not say " Actually that knife looks bloody horrible and it's now a knife that has the guts buffed out of it" but you would become public enemy number one.
What are your opinions as I value them?

Any way, after my moan, back to this old thing........

Tang Stamp: "THE BURGHAM"
The Blade is stamped ( not etched) "SAILOR KNIFE" with a stamped figure of sorts I can't quite make out.

The blade looks very similar to Silver Steel, but this could be just from the excessive wire wheeling and Buffing - whatever they have done.
Note the damage to the Bone by the Bolster- I am sure this would have been done with a wire wheel.

A large Knife @ 4 & 5/8ths inches closed.

Should I try to add Patina back to this Knife - in the way of Mustard, Lemon juice etc- just to get rid of the offending shine? Please share your thoughts on this

 

[tongueriver]

I am with you on all counts, Duncan, as are probably a majority here. Folk who do bad things to knives are in that very large class of people who are standing in the shallow end of the gene pool.

 

[Tyson A Wright]

Nice Counter cloth Mike, awesome to see!

Now to drag the quality of this fine thread down somewhat.....

I came across this knife locally- being a bigger knife with what I think is quite nice Bone handles, I thought I would pick it up- I didn't cost a lot as you can see why, it must have had a good gathering of Rust and unfortunately - possibly the seller has cleaned this knife to the degree that it is sickeningly shiny with multitudes of pitting, NOTHING looks worse!
I notice that there are a LOT of old Sheffield's and older American knives on Facebook etc that are just gleaming- and everyone is coming expressing just how neat the knife is, I really have to bite my tongue and not say " Actually that knife looks bloody horrible and it's now a knife that has the guts buffed out of it" but you would become public enemy number one.
What are your opinions as I value them?

Any way, after my moan, back to this old thing........

Tang Stamp: "THE BURGHAM"
The Blade is stamped ( not etched) "SAILOR KNIFE" with a stamped figure of sorts I can't quite make out.

The blade looks very similar to Silver Steel, but this could be just from the excessive wire wheeling and Buffing - whatever they have done.
Note the damage to the Bone by the Bolster- I am sure this would have been done with a wire wheel.

A large Knife @ 4 & 5/8ths inches closed.

Should I try to add Patina back to this Knife - in the way of Mustard, Lemon juice etc- just to get rid of the offending shine? Please share your thoughts on this

I think that's a beautiful knife, and I think it's unfortunate that it was damaged the way it was. Two things can be true.

I have a Russell Barlow damaged similarly, but I still love it. Instead of forcing a patina, I'd suggest seeing the damage as a loophole for you as a collector - here's one you can carry and use without worrying about it! Don't force the patina - earn it. Redeem this knife's story by adding honest use to it.

Just my $0.02.

 

[Campbellclanman]

Thanks Cal, appreciate it.

Tyson, I got ya! I agree, I may turn this into my Steak knife, I use my GEC 23 religiously on my Steak- every time I have a Steak- this knife is used, so I may in turn swap these over, I will clean this old Knife out big time first, then put an edge on the Ol' girl. Thank you my friend for your thoughts.

 

[Falcata]

Robert Bateman (Sheffield 1850-1900?). I seek, my lords, some gracious information regarding this fine blade I have come to possess. My thanks.

Nothing to do with the Bateman from American Psycho.

 

[waynorth]

Some clues??!!

Picture from "Smith's Key"!!



Old "Oates" Barlow!!!

 

[waynorth]

Robert Bateman (Sheffield 1850-1900?). I seek, my lords, some gracious information regarding this fine blade I have come to possess. My thanks.

Levine's book calls him a tenant at Globe Works ca. 1893. Little information. . . . .

 

[Falcata]

Levine's book calls him a tenant at Globe Works ca. 1893. Little information. . . . .

Thanks for the info.This adds up. I was checking with AI (which I don’t really trust), and it’s clear this is a knife (not a Barlow) made by a craftsman, possibly during the Victorian era. It seems like in 1900 he stopped working (or maybe he died?). Also, based on the style — and this is just my own theory — it’s a real working knife that may have ended up in Spain through a small order. This design is still being made today because we like it — a ‘mariner’s’ pattern. Look at this old Spanish sailor's knife (s.XX): Barlow?

I love my Bateman, and it goes well with my Exposito and my I. Paya of the same type… Let’s see what else I can learn from the forum.

 

[Falcata]

Some clues??!!
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Picture from "Smith's Key"!!


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Old "Oates" Barlow!!!

Regarding your knife, according to AI: It was made by Luke Oates or his son Squire Elijah Oates, who were very prolific manufacturers of Barlow-style knives in Sheffield during the 19th century (approx. 1820-1891).

 

[Rookie82]

That knife sort of reminds me of a German knife I have, Frederick Herder & Sons (Friedr. Herder Abr. Sohn Solingen). The knife doesn't have a tang stamp, but the blade is marked. Of every knife I have ever used, it has the strongest pull, half stop, and close I have ever experienced. I would rate it a 15 out of 10. I am always afraid the spring is going to blow into 100 pieces when I open it. It is built like a tank.

 

[black mamba]

A quite formidable rope knife, Carl!

 

[Old Engineer]

Nice Counter cloth Mike, awesome to see!

Now to drag the quality of this fine thread down somewhat.....

I came across this knife locally- being a bigger knife with what I think is quite nice Bone handles, I thought I would pick it up- I didn't cost a lot as you can see why, it must have had a good gathering of Rust and unfortunately - possibly the seller has cleaned this knife to the degree that it is sickeningly shiny with multitudes of pitting, NOTHING looks worse!
I notice that there are a LOT of old Sheffield's and older American knives on Facebook etc that are just gleaming- and everyone is coming expressing just how neat the knife is, I really have to bite my tongue and not say " Actually that knife looks bloody horrible and it's now a knife that has the guts buffed out of it" but you would become public enemy number one.
What are your opinions as I value them?

Any way, after my moan, back to this old thing........

Tang Stamp: "THE BURGHAM"
The Blade is stamped ( not etched) "SAILOR KNIFE" with a stamped figure of sorts I can't quite make out.

The blade looks very similar to Silver Steel, but this could be just from the excessive wire wheeling and Buffing - whatever they have done.
Note the damage to the Bone by the Bolster- I am sure this would have been done with a wire wheel.

A large Knife @ 4 & 5/8ths inches closed.

Should I try to add Patina back to this Knife - in the way of Mustard, Lemon juice etc- just to get rid of the offending shine? Please share your thoughts on this

Add some Patina to that Great Bone Duncan .

Harry

 

[Campbellclanman]

I will Harry matey

 

[Falcata]

That knife sort of reminds me of a German knife I have, Frederick Herder & Sons (Friedr. Herder Abr. Sohn Solingen). The knife doesn't have a tang stamp, but the blade is marked. Of every knife I have ever used, it has the strongest pull, half stop, and close I have ever experienced. I would rate it a 15 out of 10. I am always afraid the spring is going to blow into 100 pieces when I open it. It is built like a tank.

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I love your marinera (navy knife). It’s curious how design trends spread across Europe’s production centers and how they evolved: from antique designs to anchors or shields of different shapes, and from the Barlow style to simpler bolsters. Then came the distribution throughout the Americas, where it further evolved in the hands of local manufacturers.

I find it strange not to find marineras from Thiers or Italy. They are robust work knives with a satisfying, forceful 'click' that can last over 100 years. Who created them and where?In general, I see that it is British, but with a strong German and Spanish touch. I’ll leave that to the experts (Enrique de Villena, Dominique Pascal, Rafael Martinez de Peral, Jean-Noël Mouret...). I wish I could read them all. But well, that’s what the forum sages are for. I don’t have Levine's book—could someone check it?