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I got 2 emails this morning ....
" All these have been shown previously in the thread in detail. Some are shown with a familiar modern knife for scale. The pig sticker and equal end single blade have some unusually large bone slabs on them which are quite impressive in person, both lengthwise and in width. The scanner does not do justice to bone like this that features extremely deep relief jigging and deep grooves. The flat plane of light the scanner casts tends to flatten out most surfaces it passes over. Those scales are almost 4" long and an inch across....quite a canvas for bone jigging. "
" All these have been shown previously in the thread in detail. Some are shown with a familiar modern knife for scale. The pig sticker and equal end single blade have some unusually large bone slabs on them which are quite impressive in person, both lengthwise and in width. The scanner does not do justice to bone like this that features extremely deep relief jigging and deep grooves. The flat plane of light the scanner casts tends to flatten out most surfaces it passes over. Those scales are almost 4" long and an inch across....quite a canvas for bone jigging. "
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IKCO doctor's knife, rather rare pattern for IKCO. The secondary blade might not be original but even if so, it looks great. About 3 1/8" closed.
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A petite wharncliffe whittler marked with VcrownR /SILVER / STEEL (1837-1901). All blades marked good snap milled brass liners, domed pins. Shadow pearl covers , 2 3/16 closed. Oval shield with AR. Anybody have any additional information on this mark I would appreciate your posting it. I have posted this one in the Sheffield thread with no response to date.
Charles
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Charles - I can't provide any information, but did want to offer my compliments on that beautiful wharncliffe whittler. Stunning!
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I received an email today ........
" About 5 3/8" long, approx. 1890 - 1920, ivory hafted. Part of a larger, more complete set that would have originally come in a fitted case. Though incomplete and missing their case, I bought them anyway due to their apparently unused condition with nearly all their original finish remaining intact. I however, have used them myself regularly since their purchase 7 or 8 years ago as they normally just sit in a box on my desk. They still work as well today as when they were built a hundred years ago. Shown with a couple familiar older knives for scale. "
" About 5 3/8" long, approx. 1890 - 1920, ivory hafted. Part of a larger, more complete set that would have originally come in a fitted case. Though incomplete and missing their case, I bought them anyway due to their apparently unused condition with nearly all their original finish remaining intact. I however, have used them myself regularly since their purchase 7 or 8 years ago as they normally just sit in a box on my desk. They still work as well today as when they were built a hundred years ago. Shown with a couple familiar older knives for scale. "
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Beautiful Joseph Rodgers pieces.Nice to see more of your collection,and you've still got that blue pen.
Thank you very much. Wostenholms are one of my favorites in that pattern,and that Ulster stag is lovely.Both have large shields,respectively.The Wostenholm is what the shield on my SFO GEC farmers jacks was patterned from.
Thank you very much. Wostenholms are one of my favorites in that pattern,and that Ulster stag is lovely.Both have large shields,respectively.The Wostenholm is what the shield on my SFO GEC farmers jacks was patterned from.
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Always a pleasure to catch up with this thread :thumbup:
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I picked up this small Ladys Knife from an antiques shop in York yesterday. Here it is in the condition I bought it. My apologies for the poor quality photographs. I wont be doing much to this one beyond some very light cleaning and oiling, but Ill try to get some slightly better pics.
Both knife blades are marked Hoyland over 'Hull', the British city whose full name is Kingston-Upon-Hull (and once home to PMEW :thumbup
. Im still researching the knife, so please feel free to chime in dear friends 
Hoyland is a name which originates in South Yorkshire, where it is a place name, and it is common in the region, including Sheffield.
Ive not been able to find out much information about the Hoyland company of Hull (East Yorkshire) yet, but other pocket-knives Ive come across appear to have been sold by J.Hoyland, some of whose knives were apparently made by George Wostenholm in Sheffield. Like many cutlery companies, particularly English cutlers outside Sheffield, they seem to have developed from small cutlers into companies who had knives made for them. Of course they may have only ever been factors.
The J of J.Hoyland was Jonathan, and he is listed as a cutler trading from 10 Queen Street in the 1840 Hull Directory. The pen and ink drawings below are dated between 1888 and 1900. In 1892 Jonathan Hoyland, Cutler, is recorded at 6 Queen Street. This could be the same gentleman, or perhaps a descendent (son?) of the same name a Jonathan Hoyland was born in Hull in 1841.
Going further back to 1823, Samuel Hoyland & Co, cutlers and elastic steel truss makers, are recorded at 10 Queen Street (also in 1829). So Samuel appears to be the father, or certainly forebear, of Jonathan Hoyland. In 1833, a Samuel Hoyland is recorded as being born in the same parish.
Ive not been able to turn up anything on Annie Folkand, to whom I presume this knife was once gifted. Folkand seems to be an extremely rare name, and Annie may be a given name. The nearest match Ive been able to make is a Jane Anne Folkand, the married name of a woman born in 1853 or 1854 and living in London in 1911.
Hull suffered heavy bombing during World War One, with high-explosive bombs being dropped from zeppelins. There were a number of direct hits on Queen Street. In WW2, Hull was the most heavily bombed British city outside London, and Queen Street was hit on the 10th May 1941, so I doubt anything remains today of the old cutlery shop, anymore than there was of this ironmongers.
Both knife blades are marked Hoyland over 'Hull', the British city whose full name is Kingston-Upon-Hull (and once home to PMEW :thumbup
. Im still researching the knife, so please feel free to chime in dear friends Hoyland is a name which originates in South Yorkshire, where it is a place name, and it is common in the region, including Sheffield.
Ive not been able to find out much information about the Hoyland company of Hull (East Yorkshire) yet, but other pocket-knives Ive come across appear to have been sold by J.Hoyland, some of whose knives were apparently made by George Wostenholm in Sheffield. Like many cutlery companies, particularly English cutlers outside Sheffield, they seem to have developed from small cutlers into companies who had knives made for them. Of course they may have only ever been factors.
The J of J.Hoyland was Jonathan, and he is listed as a cutler trading from 10 Queen Street in the 1840 Hull Directory. The pen and ink drawings below are dated between 1888 and 1900. In 1892 Jonathan Hoyland, Cutler, is recorded at 6 Queen Street. This could be the same gentleman, or perhaps a descendent (son?) of the same name a Jonathan Hoyland was born in Hull in 1841.
Going further back to 1823, Samuel Hoyland & Co, cutlers and elastic steel truss makers, are recorded at 10 Queen Street (also in 1829). So Samuel appears to be the father, or certainly forebear, of Jonathan Hoyland. In 1833, a Samuel Hoyland is recorded as being born in the same parish.
Ive not been able to turn up anything on Annie Folkand, to whom I presume this knife was once gifted. Folkand seems to be an extremely rare name, and Annie may be a given name. The nearest match Ive been able to make is a Jane Anne Folkand, the married name of a woman born in 1853 or 1854 and living in London in 1911.
Hull suffered heavy bombing during World War One, with high-explosive bombs being dropped from zeppelins. There were a number of direct hits on Queen Street. In WW2, Hull was the most heavily bombed British city outside London, and Queen Street was hit on the 10th May 1941, so I doubt anything remains today of the old cutlery shop, anymore than there was of this ironmongers.
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Vince - some stunning ivory pieces, and the two Farmer's Jacks you snuck in are equally terrific. :thumbup:
Jack - the lady's knife looks to be a wonderful find - a very interesting and attractive knife with an intriguing past. As always, your research was brilliantly presented. I especially enjoyed the pen and ink drawings you located, and I'd wager that you've likely found the original owner in the person of Jane Anne Folkand which seems a remarkable feat. Thanks for sharing your find and research with us. :thumbup::thumbup:
Jack - the lady's knife looks to be a wonderful find - a very interesting and attractive knife with an intriguing past. As always, your research was brilliantly presented. I especially enjoyed the pen and ink drawings you located, and I'd wager that you've likely found the original owner in the person of Jane Anne Folkand which seems a remarkable feat. Thanks for sharing your find and research with us. :thumbup::thumbup:
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Thanks for your kind words Stephen, hope you're having a lovely weekend my friend :thumbup:
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I am and hope that you are as well.
Yes indeed, even if I did spend half my Easter Saturday reading through census records!
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