"Old Knives"

This may be a rather long post for the thread but I do know there is a great appreciation for old knives here and this is one with an interesting historical story as well … The phrase “Buy the knife not the story” doesn’t apply to this particular example - I bought both ;)

Thomaston Knife Co MOP Whittler – A Special Knife with a PKBG&F National Union Label

Without a doubt this Thomaston Knife Co (1884-1930) MOP Whittler with a unique etch and tang stamp from a long gone cutlery union certainly caught my attention immediately when it was shown to me by my good friend Steve Pfeiffer (knifeaholic on the forum and author of Collecting Case Knives: Identification and Price Guide). Steve kindly sold me this knife to my excitement (TU) and it is important to note the knife was part of his Dad’s collection for many years – Steve’s Dad was an avid collector and found this knife back in the 1970s at an antique mall in Iowa of all places – a very special knife indeed from many standpoints and with many stories!! The historical background related to the cutlery union noted on the knife “PKBG&F – Pocket Knife Blade Grinders & Finishers” is indeed quite interesting - see photos and information below that just highlights some of my findings to date.

Information regarding the PKBG&F Union is somewhat obscure. Historical background and a perspective on American cutlery unions was noted in the 1955 thesis of Martha Taber from Smith College in Northhampton MA (The Cutlery Industry of the CT River Valley) though she does not mention this particular union. Taber conveyed a good account of unionization though it was also noted that little in-depth records exist as to the history and details of the cutlery unions. I have uncovered further information through extensive internet searching that augmented that found in Martha Taber’s thesis noted above. At the present I am trying to determine if contacting and/or visiting certain government sectors responsible for record keeping and/or historical organizations will reveal more background.

In brief - The American Cutlery Industry went through a period of unionization from approximately 1884 until 1917 and was first organized under the Knights of Labor. Unions had long been known to German and British cutlery workers but little was organized in the USA until the mid 1880s. Sheffield cutlery unions were initiated as early as the late 1700s and continued into the 1900s so the principle and benefit of these work associations were not a new concept (though in truth these unions struggled to be successful in labor disputes). Keep in mind that many cutlers emigrated to the USA from Sheffield and Germany to the Northeast so protection through organized labor associations was not new to them. In the USA beginning in the mid 1800s there is some record of cutlery workers “striking”” though these early attempts of an unorganized labor force were not successful. In particular it appears the Grinders (& Polishers or Finishers) of the industry were known to be in a sense the “strength” of knife making and the early unionized efforts were focused upon protecting these cutlery workers – remember without their expertise there would not be any knives made. Indeed the employers of the cutlery industry struggled with unionization but among cutlery employers there were some agreements not to hire workers from other companies. For example The John Russell Co had an agreement with Landers Frary & Clark not to employ each others workers. These employer agreements predated the formal American Cutlery Unions such as the PKBG&F.

Nonetheless this knife with the PKBG&F etch and label is the only example to my knowledge and also to those with many more years of collecting than I that I have made aware of this knife to date. Though the knife was made by the Thomaston Knife Co with the PKBG&F etch and stamp including union label, it is important to point out that Thomaston was not the only cutlery company that was unionized. I have not found a listing of companies which did participate in the PKBG&F Union but I did find the following from the Proceedings of the American Federation of Labor in 1906 which clearly suggests other companies did participate: “The PKBG&F National Union believe that by the use of this label fair manufacturing firms engaged in the production of pocket knives will receive great benefit by its use, that the firms now considered unfair will be brought into harmony with our craft and a most effective blow will be given all such firms such as may exist which produce unfair pocket knives - and - We believe the manufacturers have combined to keep this label off the market with the exception of a small number”. According to the published proceedings the union label was thus registered and supported by the American Federation of Labor in 1906. Thus the PKBG&F National Union seemed to not only protect workers rights though that is not entirely clear but certainly was designed to protect companies that practiced fair manufacturing. In 1917 the PKBG&F was disbanded for an unknown reason to me based on my research to date. However background research did reveal most of the membership was taken up by the Metal Polishers Union in 1917.

A major question is “Was this a marketed knife for the public or only made for unionized employers & employees?”. The above information suggests this knife was possibly made for general distribution and sale based on the notation in the American Federation of Labor proceedings and resolutions from 1906 where the label was approved to promote knives of unionized companies, ie my interpretation was buy union knives and not the competition’s knives who are not practicing fair market and production values. Alternatively the knife was made for unionized companies and employees. Whether this knife was widely sold and distributed or was only possessed by union members remains an unknown at this time.

The knife is a MOP Crown Whittler in lightly used condition (no signs of any sharpening) and is 3” closed. Note the photos below of the blade etch and the pile side tang stamp which depicts the union marks and label. The etch on the blade not only notes Grinders & Finishers but underneath is an etch of a blade with a Union Label (the latter being the approved registered mark as presented by the PKBG&F to the American Federation of Labor in 1906). The blade with Union Label also appears under the pile side tang stamp (PKBG&F) and underneath the blade with Union Label is REG which means it was a registered label. Given that background I believe the knife was made between 1906 and 1917. Again the PKBG&F Union disbanded in 1917 as noted above (though Thomaston remained in business until 1930).

At this point my research continues and I have a few other details and leads. Importantly any forum members who have any further information on their knowledge of cutlery unions and notably any knives that depict any union labels would be of great help and interest. Clearly as noted above the Thomaston Knife Co was not the only member of the PKBG&F National Union so perhaps somebody may possess another union knife from another cutlery. Members who collect knives of a specific company that were in the time frame noted may have further info. I am considering writing a few different articles that would incorporate the knife & historical background and in fact submitted a proposal for approval. I will certainly credit any folks who provide significant information to be included or other examples of “union” stamped knives.

Nonetheless any helpful information would be much appreciated and of course comments etc !! Thanks to all!! :thumbsup:

Cheers!
Lee

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Pile Side:
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Knife with Blades Open:
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Blade Etch Closeup:
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Pile Side Tang Stamp:
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Mark Side Tang Stamp:
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Nice chapter in cutlery history, LongBlade!!
So refreshing to be offered real research results, and interesting history. You can bet I will be combing the tables in Eugene, Oregon!!
 
Great research Lee! You can rest assured that I will also be BUG EYED along with Charlie looking for union marked knives at the OKCA show in April:eek::D I love this kind of historical knife research and insight so thanks Lee for the digging and searching!! Will be looking forward to your article(s).
 
Thanks Lloyd my friend :thumbsup: :thumbsup: ... Good luck at the show - wish I could be there ;) ... Speaking of bug-eyed - I think I was indeed bug-eyed when Steve first showed me the knife :)
 
I agree- anything with a history behind the Knife is always great - thank you for the great post Longblade Sir.
I admit to having never seen a union stamped knife as such. Like the others - eyes peeled- but I must rely on internet sales as we simply do not have the historical depth with Knives here in New Zealand compared to say.... going to a garage sale- Antiques Shop in a particular region where a Cutler firm once stood etc.
oh to have that enriches the chances of finding such treasures.
 
Thanks very much Duncan :thumbsup: :thumbsup: .. One never knows where something like this may pop-up - this Thomaston was found in an antique mall in Iowa long ago... Speaking of New Zealand mate - among my many bucket list fly fishing trips, New Zealand is no doubt one of them for both big trout in those beautiful clear rivers and the saltwater fish as well :):)....
 
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Excellent information L LongBlade ... I figured it would be appropriate to follow it up with a Walden Knife Co who according to Goins had over 600 employees in 1911 and was one of the biggest pocket knife manufacturer's in the world at the time :eek: They were probably one of the "bad guys" in Lee's story :rolleyes:

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I just opened this beauty up tonight and couldn't wait to post it :D

- Kevin
 
With a nod to LongBlade's scholarly post, here is a picture with bit more meat involved. :)

Enclosed is a 100 year old Wilbert folding guard lock-back model with dark stag handles. Wilbert was a trade-mark of the Sears & Roebuck hardware company and was used from c.1908 to 1921.
Sears & Roebuck had used their own name on knives prior to the Wilbert name and it is unclear why they changed to the Wilbert name. Wilbert knives were all made on contract for Sears & Roebuck, but there is some evidence that Sears & Roebuck produced their own knives for a very short time around 1900. It has been suggested that the bulk of the Wilbert knives were made by both Napanoch and Empire, but I have never seen a folder like this one from either of those cutlery companies. A few pages back, galvanic posted a very nice similar model with a Utica blade stamp and I believe Utica was the contract company for this Wilbert. Utica was commonly known to contract more knives out to other companies than for themselves, and perhaps it's possible that other Wilbert knives were made by Utica in the early 1900s. Wilbert, while not well known, offered a wide range of folding knives in various patterns.

The Wilbert knife and a Sears & Roebuck catalog ad from 1912.

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Stunning example of a 100 year old Knife my friend. The Black Stag always looks good imo.
Herder - I’m going to look after you now and give you TEN TIMES the original amount for that Knife my friend - yes that’s right :eek:
Dang I will throw in an extra buck and give you a Tener - AND pay postage.
No need for thanks as I do feel in a generous mood. :D
 
North Shore - very cool Union Cut rope knife with a sweet worm groove bone handle :thumbsup: ... thanks for the comment on the Thomaston too....

Kevin - Very nice Walden for sure :thumbsup: - looks like it may possibly be a boys knife as well - what's the closed length?? Given Walden's size and probably good historical data available compared to many companies I would be curious as to where they fell out on unionization :) ... which triggered a thought as the knife museum in that area may have some background regarding Walden and unions ;)

Nice knife Herder :cool: ... for some reason given Utica's extensive contract work I have the gut feeling they were not a union participant :D ...
 
Longblade great knife and info. Some of the best history I've seen about knife making back then, Glad Steve sold that one to you!!

Herder, I think you are right that the Wilbert was a Utica made knife! Utica made more knives for others then most know about. I was told that when the Utica factory collection was sold in the 1980's that in the batch of parts that came with the collection there were blades stamped for many hardware firms plus knife companies. Man I wish I could have seen that!!

Great knives posted since my last visit.
 
North Shore - very cool Union Cut rope knife with a sweet worm groove bone handle :thumbsup: ... thanks for the comment on the Thomaston too....

Kevin - Very nice Walden for sure :thumbsup: - looks like it may possibly be a boys knife as well - what's the closed length?? Given Walden's size and probably good historical data available compared to many companies I would be curious as to where they fell out on unionization :) ... which triggered a thought as the knife museum in that area may have some background regarding Walden and unions ;)

Nice knife Herder :cool: ... for some reason given Utica's extensive contract work I have the gut feeling they were not a union participant :D ...
Lee- Closed length is 3-1/2" to 3-5/8"... don't have it in front me but I did measure it last night. Let me know if you need anything else... tonight is a planned night "IN" so I will be in my Knife Dungeon snapping pictures for Black Friday, Old Knives Black Friday and probably a Blades Upon Books :D

- Kevin
 
North Shore.
That Union Rope Knife is a Stunner- I love the Colour of the Bone - the diverse range of colours throughout from aging.
The jig work is simply gorgeous - I like that pattern of Jigging combined with the Worm Trail.
Finished off with ( always good to see ) Hammered Pins.

VP - great Ol’ Walden Jack- man they knew how to make a knife.

Herder - on a serious note - that Wilbert is such a great Knife in what I can only describe as incredible condition for its age!

Thank you everyone for sharing.
 
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Wilbert SHs A.jpg Wilbert SHs B.jpg Here are two Napanoch-made Wilberts. I found one on the world-reknowned :rolleyes: auction site, and traded for the other at a meeting of our mini-knife club. (we are small, but we don't just trade mini-knives!:D).
That Utica-made is very cool, herder!:thumbsup:
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North Shore - very cool Union Cut rope knife with a sweet worm groove bone handle :thumbsup: ... thanks for the comment on the Thomaston too....

Kevin - Very nice Walden for sure :thumbsup: - looks like it may possibly be a boys knife as well - what's the closed length?? Given Walden's size and probably good historical data available compared to many companies I would be curious as to where they fell out on unionization :) ... which triggered a thought as the knife museum in that area may have some background regarding Walden and unions ;)

Nice knife Herder :cool: ... for some reason given Utica's extensive contract work I have the gut feeling they were not a union participant :D ...
I stand corrected Lee... closed length on the Walden is 3-3/4".

- Kevin
 
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