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"Old Knives"

Discussion in 'Traditional Folders and Fixed Blades' started by VCM3, Jan 21, 2008.

  1. lambertiana

    lambertiana Gold Member Gold Member

    Jul 7, 2000
    It sure looks like factory crocus on the mark side of the main, and glaze on the pile side. The swedge on the mark side is still crisp, which is usually not the case with knives that have been polished up later because to do it properly requires a hard wheel (usually walrus hide coated with crocus on a solid wheel back when this was made) in order to get a sharp swedge. Modern polishers usually use a rag buffer and round off the swedge.

    I wonder how many knives went out with different finishes that what the catalog says. Crocus mark side and glaze pile side was a pretty common configuration.
     
  2. kai76

    kai76

    Jun 5, 2009
    I think you may have misunderstood what I meant or more likely, I was being unclear. My knife has the glazed finish on all blades even on the front of the main blade. The glazed finish doesn’t show in the photo I originally posted so here’s another photo below that shows it a little better. I didn’t know till yesterday when I received this knife that Schrade Cut Co did made knives with all glazed finish blades. Prior to that, I thought all their knives were crocus polished on the front of the main blades and glazed on the rest or, crocus polished on all blades(for the deluxe knives). So, when I noticed the glazed finish on all blades of my knife, it got me thinking if this knife saw the wheel when someone tried to clean it? I then went to look up the old Schrade catalog for my knife which was stated in the description “glaze finished blades”. Only then I learned that Schrade did make some knives with the glaze finish on all blades and that my knife is probably correct and hopefully wasn’t messed with.
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  3. black mamba

    black mamba Gold Member Gold Member

    Oct 21, 2009
    Nick, that pen blade has a good amount of straight-edge past the nick . . . a perfect candidate to turn into a coping blade. :eek: ;) :p
     
  4. TheChunk91

    TheChunk91 Basic Member Basic Member

    Aug 15, 2013
    It looks original to me.
     
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  5. Luger1952

    Luger1952 Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 12, 2012
    Here is a Terrier Cutlery Company (1910–1916) take-apart Slot knife sometimes called a Hobo Knife. This was as Charlie Noyes has suggested a premium knife brand made by Robeson Cutlery Co. It is 4 & 1/2 inches closed and the handles are Cocobolo. It is a very scarce knife to find. This one is in good condition with with hardly any evidence of use (spear blade is full) other than scattered corrosion, minor frosting (micro pitting) in a few areas including bolsters but no active rust. When I got the knife it would not separate so I soaked it overnight in a solution of Kroil (a creeping penetrating oil) and some Hoppe’s 9. This seemed to do the trick and with some gentle persuasion and encouragement from a hard rubber head hammer she started to separate. I then scrubbed all the metal surfaces with this same solution and 0000 steel wool. Sprayed it down with non chlorinated brake cleaner and dried with compressed air. Finished it off with a couple applications of Renaissance Wax and here it is.

    The Spear blade tang (mark side) is marked Terrier/Cutlery/Rochester NY and the fork tang is also marked the same. No markings on the spoon. Mechanically the knife functions perfectly with positive and crisp action with blade, spoon and fork all snapping closed and open. No blade, spoon or fork lateral movement when fully open or extended.

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  6. kai76

    kai76

    Jun 5, 2009
    Yeah Jeff that’s a really great idea, let’s see it on your b&m jack which has the same pen blade!:p

    @Luger1952 That's a neat Terrier hobo knife in such great condition. I really like the shape of the spear blade.
     
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  7. Campbellclanman

    Campbellclanman Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Mar 10, 2007
    Fantastic Terrier Lloyd. Like you say hard to find knife - there must be so few of them.
     
  8. black mamba

    black mamba Gold Member Gold Member

    Oct 21, 2009
    Oh, Nick, you are cruel! Now you have planted a seed in my feeble mind . . . :confused:
     
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  9. waynorth

    waynorth Dealer / Materials Provider Dealer / Materials Provider

    Nov 19, 2005
    Nice Terrier, Lloyd!!! Good rescue!!!:thumbsup:
    @Luger1952
     
  10. wlfryjr

    wlfryjr Gold Member Gold Member

    Oct 20, 2011
    Rare stamp+ rare pattern = great knife for Lloyd. :)

    Nick, a beautiful old Schrade.
     
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  11. Luger1952

    Luger1952 Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 12, 2012
    Thanks gentlemen for your kind comments on the Terrier slot knife!

    As a follow up regarding this Terrier. I posted this on AAPK also and Charlie Noyes (noted expert on Robeson and Terrier knives) warned me that this Terrier slot knife could not be separated unless the master spear blade was open. I knew this early on but still the knife would not separate or break apart. Thus the overnight soaking in solvent and Kroil. Well, as you are aware from my first post on this it did separate with some gentle persuasion:). Apparently the Terrier slot knife has a kick lock that will not allow separation until the spear blade is open. The kick/tang on the master spear blocks the pin on the opposing spoon/fork side preventing disengagement until the spear blade is elevated at least about 20 degrees in the blade opening arc from fully closed. The half stop is a welcomed destination for separation with the spring strength of this over 100 year old knife if you know what I mean:eek:

    Charlie, said he was not aware of any other slot knife with this slot lock feature. I have one other slot knife a NYKC example but it does NOT have this feature. Anyone else aware of any other slot knife with this locking mechanism?

    Thanks
     
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  12. Campbellclanman

    Campbellclanman Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Mar 10, 2007
    Hey Lloyd I cannot help you with any questions about the break up mechanisms on these Knives, but I wonder why this knife of yours does not have the Terriers Head stamped as other Terriers do?
     
  13. Luger1952

    Luger1952 Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 12, 2012
    Duncan, thanks for making me take a better look at this Terrier. Surprise there is a terrier dog head on the pile side spear blade. I had missed it initially because it was well covered with surface corrosion and age discoloring. I took some 0000 steel wool and cleaned it some and although the left side of the terrier face is lost to some pitting you can clearly make it out. Thanks my friend for prompting me to take a deeper look at this knife!!

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  14. Campbellclanman

    Campbellclanman Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Mar 10, 2007
    Aha! There is our old Terrier friend!
    Thank you Lloyd - - I tried looking for the boy in your photos- glad you found him my friend.
     
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  15. rockman0

    rockman0 Gold Member Gold Member

    May 5, 2013
    20190829_175445.jpg 20190829_175434.jpg Latest old knife, straight line Russell, saw plenty of use, still nice and tight.
     
  16. Campbellclanman

    Campbellclanman Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Mar 10, 2007
    That’s a nice knife my friend! Stunning Bone on that old Russell!
     
  17. rockman0

    rockman0 Gold Member Gold Member

    May 5, 2013
    Thanks Duncan :thumbsup:
     
  18. Augie

    Augie Gold Member Gold Member

    Aug 23, 2014

    Rob, great old Russell with very nice stag! You just don't see that many Russell jacks, Barlows seem to have been most of their pocket knife production. At their height of production Russell churned out 2500 to 3000 dozen of cutlery per day.
    Pretty good read here on the history of Russell,

    http://industrialhistory.org/histories/john-russell-mfg-co-and-the-russell-cutlery/


    Only Russell jack I have, may be older than yours as it uses the Green River Works tang stamp.


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  19. Old Engineer

    Old Engineer Gold Member Gold Member

    Nov 30, 2014
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  20. CNoyes

    CNoyes

    643
    May 30, 2009
    Just finished looking at twenty-three pages of this forum I had not seen before.

    Great knives posted since I was here last.
     
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