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No offence guys but is here on this forum anyone who dont have pleashure killing animals, who is just big fan of bushcraft and wilderness without any conection with hunting?
 
I don't get pleasure from killing animals. I get pleasure from the hunt, and from deriving sustenance from food that I brought down cleanly, butchered, and prepared myself. I am also a fan of bushcraft and wilderness without any connection to hunting as you so put it.

When I was a kid, I killed plenty of small animals because in the ignorance of youth, I saw them simply as moving targets. When I grew up, I internalized the fact that they were living, breathing creatures just like myself. I have no problem killing any animal for food, or for that matter any legitmate use, after all, I believe that is what some of them were put here for. I do, however, loathe killing for killings sake.
 
I hunt to pass on tradition to the next generation , to keep in touch with the old ways .

For me , food getting is as much part of bush craft as is shelter , finding water making fire or kicking back fishing .

THere is no particular pleasure in hunting , its taking a life from a creature that would otherwise live on , there is responsibility to use all I can from what I kill .

I get hassles for taking photos of prime trophy animals , but only killing what I can eat , and letting the "sporting game" go
 
I'll kill them for food but I don't get off on it. The fun is the hunt. I kill pests around here and I really don't care for it, but they tear up my animals.
 
I have no qualms about killing an animal domestic or otherwise for food. Of course I respect the laws. Here in Brazil I have many opportunities to hunt but it is illegal. Still I think it is important to train and learn how.

Seriously if I was with someone who I felt "got off" on killing it would be a one and done trip. I don't see hunting as some sadistic pleasure but I'm certainly in tune with my inner carnivore.

Several times when I have run my course we have taken live quail (bought in the market) with us to simulate the proper handling of game birds under field conditions. Universally the group is squeamish about killing the birds but after a full day with no other food they get over it pretty quick. I teach them how to make use of every part of the bird, heart, liver, gizzard, meat and bones. They make the entire edible portion of the bird into a stew, nothing gets wasted.

Most of these guys have never killed a living thing for their own food, but that is reality if you want to eat meat. If you decide that meat is not for you then fine, don't bother to eat it. If on the other hand you do want to eat meat then you'd better get over the fact that something else is going to die to feed you. At the same time if you are willing to kill to eat then you owe it to yourself and your own sense of morality to make the best use of what you do kill.

Many animals that are hunted are nothing more than a biproduct of commerical agriculture. Man comes in and strips the land of native plants and replaces them with crops. The level of food production ont he land increases dramatically and native animal species that can take advantage of that food grow in proportion. We create the imballance in nature but then refuse to control it through increased human predation and the imballance then threatens other species.

The hunting ban in Brazil is a serious threat to the ecosystem. We are now at the point that the alligator population is threatening every other species in the Pantanal. You can't have it both ways. You can't plant the land and then refuse to control the populations that exploit it. Just my 2 centavos. Mac
 
kaor said:
No offence guys but is here on this forum anyone who dont have pleashure killing animals, who is just big fan of bushcraft and wilderness without any conection with hunting?
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Sort of, I gave up hunting many years ago, but I still enjoy fishing.

I think you'll find that few folks here actually have pleasure in killing, but in the hunt itself, the killing is simple a part of that process.
 
I don't hunt, but I do fish a ton, and have no problem cleaning a mess of fish and filling my belly. I don't think hunting is nessesary to enjoy the wilderness, but I think like fishing, it is a good excuss to walk into the hinterland.
 
Hey Guys...

Theres room for All of God's Creatures...

Right beside the Mashed Potatos...

I look at it this way...

Theres two completely different kinds of animals...

Ones that taste good,, and Ones that don't...

Animals were put here for a reason,,, and it wasn't to look at them...

Bushcraft walks hand in hand with killing animals, it's as simple as that..

ttyle

Eric
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Eric,

That reminds me of the saying...

"If God didn't intend for man to eat animals then why did He make them out of meat?"

You kill it you grill it. Mac
 
I really dont like hunting at all. To me it just seems cowardly and pointless to kill a beautiful animal like a deer or a bear (which is just going about its life like the rest of us) just for the fun of it. Having said that, I'm not opposed to culling animals if thats required for environmental reasons, or for killing an animal if you specifically intend to eat it.
 
Normark said:
Bushcraft walks hand in hand with killing animals, it's as simple as that..

Eric
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I'll respectfully have to disagree with you on that Eric, there are a great many folks who enjoy the wilderness and bushcraft without killing animals.

I fish, so I'm not one of them, but I know some who are and they always impress me with their ability to "go out there" without killing and what an accomplished forager can do.
 
jh205 said:
I really dont like hunting at all. To me it just seems cowardly and pointless to kill a beautiful animal like a deer or a bear (which is just going about its life like the rest of us) just for the fun of it. Having said that, I'm not opposed to culling animals if thats required for environmental reasons, or for killing an animal if you specifically intend to eat it.
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Are you a vegan?
 
kaor said:
No offence guys but is here on this forum anyone who dont have pleashure killing animals, who is just big fan of bushcraft and wilderness without any conection with hunting?
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Yep. I love eating meat, but while I see necessity in hunting for food, I'm no fan of hunting just to shoot living things. Actually, I suspect most hunters don't enjoy the shooting--they enjoy the outdoors, the stalking, the challenge, the one-chance-shot that comes with it. I respect that.

To put it another, less-convoluted way: I love the wonders of medicine; doesn't mean I want to perform heart surgery on someone.
 
I have this debate often, While "getting off" on hunting is not something I do I do enjoy the self reliance I can attain from harvesting food from the land both p"plants and animals" It is unfortunate that in todays world it is nec. to cull most herbiverous species as we have our expansion has lead to the demise of a majority of predatory species...I see a large different between trophy hunting and hunting with the intention of filling the pot. I also see that the only difference between eating a grouse you shot or a chicken from the grocery store is that yo got someone els has alread done the trigger work. I would not "hunt" a bear and rarely hunt game other than birds rabbits etc, I do also fish frequently. I also donot point fingers at others for the choices they make as I feel life is an individually relative experience,, I in turn expect the same courtesy and "benefit" of the doubt...Alot of this is merely semantics..."Kill a grouse" your a hunter "kill a rat" and your the pied piper. All that live Even vegetarians do so at the cost of other living things....JMO however YMV...and no offense to those who's opinions differ.
 
No, I'm not a vegan, and neither am I a vegetarian. I just dont take pleasure in killing wild animals for the fun of it. To me the problem with hunting is that its a rigged fight - a guy comes along with a powerful rifle, the animal's wandering along doing its own thing and then it gets taken down without having a chance to fight back. I also hate things which involve deliberately tormenting animals, such as bullfighting or the running of the bulls in Pamplona - and I actually like it when the a-holes who torment the bulls get gored by them.

What I like is a fair fight, for example boxing, MMA, bjj, subgrappling etc. between two consenting, well trained and evenly matched fighters.
 
I hunted in the past, still have all the equipment but now I'd only kill for survival. It is a lot of work preparing the kill for consumption. I'm getting lazyr and lazyr. I like going to the store and buy some meat, go home and throw it in the fry pan. Usually no stray hairs to contend with either.
 
I actually get to hunt very rarely. I get out into the public woodlands near my house quite often. Even when hunting I'm not doing it for the kill, but for the hunt, and for the dinner.

I do question your question though. Why if it isn't a troll have you not followed up?
 
jh205 said:
No, I'm not a vegan, and neither am I a vegetarian. I just dont take pleasure in killing wild animals for the fun of it.
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Basically, I have three personal rules on killing animals:

1. In defense of yourself or others

2. Population control (vermin, ants in the house, livestock threatening animals, etc.)

3. If you plan on eating it. I think it's hypocritical to eat meat but despise others hunting. I know that JH205 *does not* despise others hunting, so I hope JH205 doesn't think I'm calling him (or her?) a hypocrite! In fact, JH205, would probably make a fine hunter for these reasons. I can't imagine most hunters would just shoot a non-vermin animal without planning on eating it...you know, just shooting it and leaving it there.
 
jh205 said:
No, I'm not a vegan, and neither am I a vegetarian. I just dont take pleasure in killing wild animals for the fun of it.
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So you are calling me a coward and your the one that pays someone else to kill your meat, rather hypocritical don't you think?
 
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