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Reason I opened this thread was that I saw in 80% of photos dead animal. First of all im vegetarian so I dont eat Big Mac and stuff, and I will not talk here is killing and eating meat good or bad, every man makes his own choices and have his way. Personally i dont aprowe hunting for sport (in my opinion is barbaric and cruel ), hunting for food survival (native amrecians etc. I found normall, is killing for survive). In my opinion ppl have domestic animal for food so hunting in civilizated world is not metter of food or survival, is metter of sport. Why not change gun with camera. its same feeling without killing a thing? But my main reason for this thread wasnt to judge ppl who hunt, just wanted to see are here ppl who just enjoy in nature, bushcraft and wilderness without hunting, just to be there, shoot photos and enjoy this beautyfull gods creation wille we can.

P.S. I would recpect hunter who would go on grizzly with knife or bearhanded, with sniper riffle is just.... totally unfair imo.
 
puukko said:
I agree with runningboar in that it seems there's some trolling going on here. Did any of you notice that the starter of this thread hasn't really come back to comment on what's been said on what he started? I dislike when people attempt to get folks riled up and then stand back and watch what they have done. I believe that anyone that reads any of the posts here knows the type of folks that hang around here. By the way, I too enjoy being in the woods. The thrill of the hunt, the fishing (they don't call it catching), camping, firemaking, firearms, knives etc. are all part of my life. I don't think we have to justify it to folks that just want to get everybody's dander up. Nuff said!!!!!!
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I came now because i live in other time zone my friend and Im still on work, trolling wasnt my idea about this thread just wanted to see are here ppl who are not hunting
 
Koar,

Most states regulate hunting and use hunters to cull populations that used to be naturally culled by local predators.
 
I know my friend, I know its legal, but I can desliked it right? But again that wasnt purpose of my thread
 
Dislike it all you want, thats your perogative, and I don't fault you for it.

Wild populations of deer overrunning the farms, roads, and beginning to move into the cities would result from an end to hunting.

Edit. I didn't think you'd return to this thread. Good on you.
 
kaor said:
P.S. I would recpect hunter who would go on grizzly with knife or bearhanded, with sniper riffle is just.... totally unfair imo.
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Have you walked with 15km days in the cold and came home empty handed? Is not like everytime you get outside you get something, just like not everytime you're out on the water you catch a fish. You are under the impression that you can give anyone a gun and they can kill something with it. If only a "sniper rifle" would magically aim itself than I would consider it unfair.
 
why not hunt with paintball? You would have hunter feeling and there would be 1 more deer in woods :D
 
I always find it funny when people don't mind the killing of cows, chickens etc. for food, but they find hunting cruel? Hmm, I don't get the logic. So some stranger can kill an animal for your food, but doing yourself is somehow wrong?
 
I don't know where you're from, but here in Ontario we are trying to GET RID of some of the deer, not keeping more around.

Wouldn't shooting a deer with a paintball "HURT" them and goes against your believe?
 
kaor said:
P.S. I would recpect hunter who would go on grizzly with knife or bearhanded, with sniper riffle is just.... totally unfair imo.
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Why do people say this idiotic statement over and over, hunting is not fair, it was never intended to be fair. Do you think a bobcat and a rabbit is a fair match, how about a shark and a penguin, a lion and a gazelle any predator prey relationship you care to name is not FAIR. It is all preconceived ideas about a subject that you are totally ignorant about.

Do you have any idea how bad you are screwing up the environment by being a vegetarian, how much pesticides and the loss of habitat to local wildlife by building bigger farms. Where as hunters fight for the animals they hunt and donate millions of dollars as well as man hours of time to improve the ecology and the quality of wildlife habitat. If it wasn't for hunters there would be no wild tukeys, wild ducks, or wetlands for that matter and many, many other species that HUNTERS have brought back from the verge of extinction. Like it or not humans are omnivores I could care less if you eat nothing but beets, and all I ask is the same courtesy from you. Chris
 
sherlockbonez said:
I don't know where you're from, but here in Ontario we are trying to GET RID of some of the deer, not keeping more around.

Wouldn't shooting a deer with a paintball "HURT" them and goes against your believe?
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I would be reither hurt but live :-) Im not from usa. But this topic went way far from original idea about it :-)
 
And guys, lets stop about is hunting good or bad, just wanted to see if here are ppl who are not hunting because this forum is wilderness and survival, so any nature photographers here or just ppl who like bushcraft?
 
We all like bushcraft, and the forum is full of wilderness pics.

I'd like to know how a barehanded or even knife weilding man vs grizzly fight is fair?
 
kaor said:
why not hunt with paintball? You would have hunter feeling and there would be 1 more deer in woods :D
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You're missing the point that we need one (or many) less deer in the woods; that's why they're in people's backyards and on the roads. If hunters don't get rid of the excess, then many will starve or become disease ridden. That's more cruel than shooting a few.

BTW you should read about how many of thousands of small animals are slaughtered in the the cultivation and reaping of grains and produce. Your lofty moral stance is untenable.
 
In Sweden we hunt for meat and as part of nature conservation otherwise the animals will destroy the nature due to overpopulation and overconsumption.

Unfortunately some deer are genetically inferior too and to prevent them from spreading their genes they need to be culled.
 
kaor said:
why not hunt with paintball? You would have hunter feeling and there would be 1 more deer in woods :D
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By some of your spellings and some of your expressions, it sounds like your in the UK. I'm not sure what your current animal control situation is over there, but over here we are overpopulated with deer. I have relatives who have hit more than a couple deer in the last five years alone. In other areas, they have expanded seasons, methods and bag limits to help reduce the heard size. At another controlled hunt a decade ago, that was heavily protested by the animal rights activists, I have another relative that took 2 adult deer. His and most of the other hunters' deer were seriously malnourished and underweight. Coyotes and other similar animals have grown in population as well, and in some instances actually become dangerous to people as a result of lacking food. I recall a graph in my hunter ed book- only a small minority of animals killed were taken by hunters. Many more are killed by illness or malnutrition relating to overpopulation or in motor vehicle accidents, which can be equally (or more) harmful to humans.
 
BTW - I only "hunt" ppl with paintballs... those things with 2 legs I don't like to eat, therefore I don't kill.
 
Originally posted by kaor:

"No offence guys but is here on this forum anyone who dont have pleashure killing animals, who is just big fan of bushcraft and wilderness without any conection with hunting?"
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I don't find pleasure in killing animals.

I photograph nature for a living, the majority of which is wildlife photography. In a sense, I "hunt" almost every day. I stalk animals, aim, get them in my sight, and squeeze a trigger. However, I don't "hunt" in the sense of pursuing a mission of killing an animal, and then doing it.

I must say, I find "hunting", in the sense that I do engage in it, often a lot of fun. There is a great deal of planning and strategy involved with simply getting very close to animals while they are doing interesting activities, with a good background and good light. Figuring out the strategy and executing it successfully is a blast. Seeing the details of animal behavior and anatomy from very close is also deeply engaging. The feel of a cool breeze, the smell of the pine woods, the mud between my toes, etc., is also all pleasurable. Skillfully using equipment is fun. Employing lightning fast reflexes is fun, just like skeet shooting or video games. Seeking meaning in the situation that presents itself, and figuring out how to create a composition which visually conveys it, is deeply engrossing. Etc.

I doubt I could feel the same way, if I "hunted", in the way that most do it. To begin with, the purpose of killing would probably ruin the fun for me. I am not against the responsible killing of animals for food, but I personally find it un-fun to do. I would unhesitatingly kill wild animals for food out of real survival necessity. Short of that, I'd rather not. However, I can understand why hunters take pleasure in playing outdoors, stalking animals.

Also, most hunters go after relatively few species, during brief hunting seasons, with numerous restrictive laws, which would also place big limits on the enjoyment, for me. I like to go after many hundreds of species a year, of all variety of classes and sizes, whenever and wherever I want to.

And further, the species and methods that most hunters choose, such as going after deer, rabbit, ducks, pheasant, quail, and turkey, with firearms, from scores of yards away, taking any killing shot available, are too easy to honestly call a "sport"... or so it seems, to me. They're about as much a sport as jumping rope is a sport. There's not much to it, to keep it engaging.

Anyway, the pleasure I get from experiences in the outdoors, and the fun I get from practicing bushcraft, are not related to killing. I think that taking pleasure in the torment or death of an animal is pretty sick. I also think it is sick to kill big game for the main purpose of bagging a trophy. (Note that I am not accusing all hunters of killing for kill-thrills and trophies; I know that plenty of hunting has nothing to do with kill-thrills and trophies.) However, hunting for food, hides, etc., is often quite sensible. And, along the way, why not enjoy the experiences of the great outdoors which hunting may bring?
 
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