One question...

[runningboar]

I have been on this board for some time and have never seen one post that someone talks about killing animals for the fun of watching them die. Furthermore I don't know of ANYONE here that approves of that sort of behavior, with that said I am beginning to think that there is a certain amount of trolling going on in this thread. Chris

 

[Fiddleback]

I really dont like hunting at all. To me it just seems cowardly and pointless to kill a beautiful animal like a deer or a bear (which is just going about its life like the rest of us) just for the fun of it.

How is this act associated with hunting? This is wasteful slaughtering. Hunting is different. I don't get the inference.

 

[upnorth]

No offence guys but is here on this forum anyone who dont have pleashure killing animals, who is just big fan of bushcraft and wilderness without any conection with hunting?

I don't really derive pleasure out of killing an animal for food any more than experiencing pleasure at plucking blueberries off a bush to eat. I view some wildlife as a food source much the same as a bear would eat a fish or grass. I do enjoy the strategy of the hunt and the skills/knowledge base that must be created to become a successful hunter. Although beautiful, nature is not warm and fuzzy, it is cold, hard and cruel. Young animals are usually the first to starve, freeze or be eaten alive, by other animals.

As for bushcraft without killing wildlife, why not. A person can be outdoors and appreciate nature without killing. But, just remember that the Big Mac you ate, the Happy Meal for your child or the chicken for your bar-b-q was the result of an animal being slaughtered. I try to pass no judgement on any side, but I also have to live in reality, with its beauty and horror.

 

[task force k]

I don't think that kaor was being critical: some people enjoy the hunt, some don't. Some eat meat to survive and some starve on berries and roots. Just kidding. All that said, if you gave a deer a rifle, the wherewithal to use it, the teeth and digestive system to process it, do you think the deer would hesitate to pull the trigger on you if he were hungry? Deer and others are prey animals and all prey animals share one common trait...edibility.

 

[WILLIAM.M]

No offence guys but is here on this forum anyone who dont have pleashure killing animals, who is just big fan of bushcraft and wilderness without any conection with hunting?

You take no Offense or get Pleasure in killing animals and have no connection with Hunting.......Cool.

I would take it that you would agree that people have the right to go into the woods(wilderness) and enjoy it as they see fit(as long as it's legal-and they do not interfere with the rights of others as well.)

I hunt Wild Boar(with Knives)--but I do not in anyway look down at anyone who hunts anything smaller or at people who do not hunt at all.

What gets me is people (tree huggers) who Dislike Hunting--and then eat meat(of any kind).I am not saying I think your one of those.

And almost everyone here will agree that there are very few people that go into the Woods and kill for the sake of killing.

Also-Part of Bushcraft is being able to survive....and that means obtaining food.Being able to "know how" to kill and then cook an animal could someday save your life.

Don't you agree??

 

[jh205]

To clarify my earlier point - I dont have a problem with animals being raised for food and slaughterd for that purpose, and I definitely dont have a problem with people hunting for food - what I can't stand is hunting just so that the head or antlers or whatever can be cut off and hung up somewhere as a trophy.

When my best mate and I go fishing, we disagree on the ethics of it - I dont mind eating the fish that I catch, but I also like to catch fish and then release them, whereas my mate thinks fishing is unjustified unless you keep the fish you catch and eat all of them.

 

[WILLIAM.M]

Some people would say that "Catch and Release" is causing the fish pain for no reason other than your enjoyment-while your friend is eating the fish.(I do not fish-no patience)

But I will fight like HELL to preserve your Right to do it(as well as your friends).

It is also a Misconception at people that Trophy Hunt just throw out the meat--Most of my hunting Friends tell me that just does not happen.

 

[task force k]

OK, I admit it. I take pleasure in the kill. Usually I'll gut shoot the animal to increase the suffering and prolong the bleeding while I pleasure myself over the defenseless, bleeding animal. I cackle madly and howl wildly then, taking only a small trophy, I leave the rest to rot. When I don't have time for hunting, I go to the local animal shelter and euthanize puppies and kittens with a garbage bag and a vacuum cleaner.

Seriously, some non-hunters and anti-hunters actually view hunters this way.

I don't disagree with catch and release but I think it's on par with a girl that lets you buy her a drink, flirts with you, then gives you a phony number and says, "call me". Once the hook is in just kill me. I was the one that was dumb enough to take the bait.

 

[Jamesh Bond]

Big Game Commercial hunting or trophy hunting is a disgrace of the sport and is for Bubbas and other little weener types who have lost touch with the real idea of the outdoors.

Hunting to experience a natural part of life and survival that has taken place for thousands of years, to do it responsibly, reverently, and respectfully, is a concept that every outdoorsman should accept. Not make excuses against.

The "beautiful bear" that is just "going about its life" would have no qualms killing something for meat, neither would any other carnivore. The morals human society places on killing don't exist in the outdoors. Humans are the only species of meat eaters who idealize about killing something.

Those who have a hobby in bushcraft have every right and reason to kill something and eat it. Outdoor enthusiasts who can't come to grips with hunting are missing a big part of the picture. Humans no longer NEED to hunt to eat. But they do need to understand that animals die every day in FAR more horrible ways than being shot with a high powered rifle (like being slaughtered in a tightly packed stockyard, mauled by predators, pets with idiot owners, etc).

I don't take "pleashure" in killing something to watch it die.
I do take "pleasure" in acknowledging something that is a deep part of true, untainted life, and doing so as humanely as possible.

 

[runningboar]

The guy with the goofy look on his face is me, the pretty one is Rusty, the coon catchinest treeinest little dog you ever saw. Those four bloody furry things were mine and Rusty's supper the next evening. I don't feel a bit bad about it, and although I haven't asked him, I am pretty sure he doesn't either. I would rather hunt, kill and prepare my meat anyday than get it at a disgusting slaughter house. Chris

 

[David E]

No, I'm not a vegan, and neither am I a vegetarian. I just dont take pleasure in killing wild animals for the fun of it. To me the problem with hunting is that its a rigged fight - a guy comes along with a powerful rifle, the animal's wandering along doing its own thing and then it gets taken down without having a chance to fight back.

Ok, FIRST you say it's cowardly to kill animals for fun.......but then you say that it's ok to kill them with the express purpose of eating them....

NOW you say that hunting is a 'rigged fight.' (spoken like a true clueless non-hunter!)

Putting both of your comments together concludes that you think hunters are cowards that get off killing animals for food.....

Yet YOU, sir, essentially HIRE your meat killers, as you're too (to use your own word) COWARDLY to do your own killing!

.

 

[runningboar]

I was not born with the equipment needed to hunt, speed, sense of smell, claws and fangs, I was born with a brain to use tools. JH you obviously are not using yours, so go to mcdonalds, eat your big mac in blissful ignorance and continue to point fingers at people that still make meat the old way. You will never understand nature fully until you hunt and kill and thank what ever diety you worship for giving you a brain to do it with. Chris

 

[magneto]

No offence guys but is here on this forum anyone who dont have pleashure killing animals, who is just big fan of bushcraft and wilderness without any conection with hunting?

I get pleasure out of killing game. When a hard hunt succeeds, I derive pleasure from the success. I get pleasure from knowing we battled wits and that this time I prevailed. I also get pleasure from knowing that it did not suffer at all. I do not know if by your meaning of pleasure means purposely wounding game to make it suffer or shooting it and running up to it and start sucking blood from the exit hole? Either one is sick. Have you ever watched the first couple of minutes of The Last of the Mohican's? That is the way a lot people treat there hunt.
What says you?
Phil

 

[Pritch]

No, I'm not a vegan, and neither am I a vegetarian. I just dont take pleasure in killing wild animals for the fun of it. To me the problem with hunting is that its a rigged fight - a guy comes along with a powerful rifle, the animal's wandering along doing its own thing and then it gets taken down without having a chance to fight back. I also hate things which involve deliberately tormenting animals, such as bullfighting or the running of the bulls in Pamplona - and I actually like it when the a-holes who torment the bulls get gored by them.

What I like is a fair fight, for example boxing, MMA, bjj, subgrappling etc. between two consenting, well trained and evenly matched fighters.

I'm sorry, this is the kind of moronic drivel that I usually hear from PETA members about hunting. Big, mean huMAN using high-tech military weapons (laser-guided-nigh-vision-gps-tracking) to shoot poor, defensless (innocent, angelic, pure) animals for SPORT. One has even had the temerity to tell me that if I want to hunt I should only use a knife, so as to make it more fair. I told her that was very similar to, and just as unlikely, as me getting lobotomized in order to continue the conversation with her!

Predators do not seek out a "fair fight". They use whatever advantage they can to succeed, otherwise they will die and a more successful predator will assume its place.

I love hunting for the same reasons that I love firestarting, shelter building, or wilderness navigation. I derive pleasure from learning skills that I belive will make me more able to survive in an emergency without reliance on others.

-- FLIX

 

[StretchNM]

I really dont like hunting at all. To me it just seems cowardly and pointless to kill a beautiful animal like a deer or a bear (which is just going about its life like the rest of us) just for the fun of it. Having said that, I'm not opposed to culling animals if thats required for environmental reasons, or for killing an animal if you specifically intend to eat it.

JH, did you even bother to read any of the posts before writing that???? Or did you just read the very first post by the thread starter and then reply?

 

[tarmix101]

I don't get pleasure from killing animals. I get pleasure from the hunt, and from deriving sustenance from food that I brought down cleanly, butchered, and prepared myself. I am also a fan of bushcraft and wilderness without any connection to hunting as you so put it.

When I was a kid, I killed plenty of small animals because in the ignorance of youth, I saw them simply as moving targets. When I grew up, I internalized the fact that they were living, breathing creatures just like myself. I have no problem killing any animal for food, or for that matter any legitmate use, after all, I believe that is what some of them were put here for. I do, however, loathe killing for killings sake.

Well said:thumbup: :thumbup: My thoughts exactly.

 

[iamonespfn]

jh205. It hasn't always been an unfair fight between humans and animals. There was a time when we were prey as much as the deer. But we surpassed that point with logic and tools; is that unfair?? We had to eat too and we found a way to do it more effectivley. The fact of the matter is that we are here because our ancestors gained the advantage. I hunt with a longbow and I feel thats fair chase enough. I respect the animal, I know the animal, its habitat etc. With the skills of the ancients I feel thats fair chase enough. I don't think its cowardly at all. I do think its cowardly to call hunters cowardly while paying someone else to kill your cow and cut it up so you can have a burger agreeing with runningboars statement.
-Ron

 

[StretchNM]

I'm sorry, this is the kind of moronic drivel that I usually hear from PETA members about hunting. Big, mean huMAN using high-tech military weapons (laser-guided-nigh-vision-gps-tracking) to shoot poor, defensless (innocent, angelic, pure) animals for SPORT. One has even had the temerity to tell me that if I want to hunt I should only use a knife, so as to make it more fair. I told her that was very similar to, and just as unlikely, as me getting lobotomized in order to continue the conversation with her!

Predators do not seek out a "fair fight". They use whatever advantage they can to succeed, otherwise they will die and a more successful predator will assume its place.

I love hunting for the same reasons that I love firestarting, shelter building, or wilderness navigation. I derive pleasure from learning skills that I belive will make me more able to survive in an emergency without reliance on others.

-- FLIX

That could've been written by me. The only thing that is wrong with this post is the initial disclaimer..."I'm sorry".

 

[mp510]

I enjoy hunting and fishing. I've been very tempted to get into trapping as well, but at the present I don't have the time and geographically it would be a nightmare. Hopefully I'll get into that in the near future.

I have no problem with folks who decide to abstain from hunting, eating meat, eating food altogether or anything else for that matter. What I can't stand is individuals who attempt to impose their own restrictive ideology on me or on society as a whole, when as I can determine whether or not it's something I want to partake in.

 

[puukko]

I agree with runningboar in that it seems there's some trolling going on here. Did any of you notice that the starter of this thread hasn't really come back to comment on what's been said on what he started? I dislike when people attempt to get folks riled up and then stand back and watch what they have done. I believe that anyone that reads any of the posts here knows the type of folks that hang around here. By the way, I too enjoy being in the woods. The thrill of the hunt, the fishing (they don't call it catching), camping, firemaking, firearms, knives etc. are all part of my life. I don't think we have to justify it to folks that just want to get everybody's dander up. Nuff said!!!!!!