One Year, Three Knives - Looking Back

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OK, so I pretty much made it for six months. That's not bad, right?

For those who aren't familiar with my personal challenge, click on the link in my signature.

After six months, I have decided to call this challenge to an end, for a few reasons.

First and foremost, I feel that I have now learned what I needed to learn from this experiment / challenge. It was intended to be an educational experience, and I have definitely come away with a few lessons.

Beyond that, I have bumped into a few situations where it made sense to make exceptions to my three knife rule, and the challenge is really only valid if I refrain from doing that.

So, what did I learn?

First, a review of the participating sharp things:

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A Delta 5 kit knife (5" blade, hollow ground, AUS-8 steel) done up by Yours Truly with extensively modified and contoured G-10 handles, in a survival sheath.

A Leatherman Wave, carried either in its own sheath or - when I'm out in the woods - in the pouch on my Delta 5 sheath.

A scandi-ground EDC knife based on a Cobbler's blade blank from Ragweed forge, in a wet-formed leather sheath.

General Impressions and Lessons Learned:

  • If you're going to spend any serious time in the woods, your trio needs a chopper! Nessmuk was right! On many outings, I was able to use my Delta 5 for most cutting tasks. But there were a few occasions - particularly when clearing trails - when this just wasn't practical.
  • The hollow grind is not ideal for outdoors work, though it can get by just fine. It is easy to sharpen, and - at least on my Delta 5 - it holds a terrific edge. But I would prefer a flat grind for food prep and woodworking.
  • There are a number of advantages that come with using synthetic handle materials like G-10. It is durable, easy to clean, and not subject to contraction and expansion under temperature or humidity variations. The one down side of this material is that it can get slippery when it is sanded smooth. Next time I want to make a knife with synthetic handles, I will either opt for Micarta or will ease up on the sanding of the G-10.
  • The aforementioned attributes of synthetic handles also apply to synthetic sheaths. I really enjoy hiking in inclement weather and cross-country (off-trail) snowshoeing. I would regularly return from an outing with my Delta 5 and sheath covered in snow, pine sap, and bits of bark. After a quick soak in warm water and a decent scrub, they were both good as new. I couldn't ask for better durability in a working knife / sheath pair.
  • A small, thin, scandi-ground fixed blade makes an absolutely ideal EDC knife. Seriously, I will never go back to an EDC folder. It is convenient (I keep it in my front pocket or on my belt at all times), unobtrusive, and perfect for everyday tasks. I have used this little knife for most food prep, eating, and camp chores for the last six months, and I will keep doing so in the future. It really feels like 'my knife' now. The edge is easy to touch up every few days on my water stones, or - if necessary - with a ceramic stone in the field. The scandi grind makes it perfect for wood work, and the thin profile makes it a great slicer for food prep. As an added bonus, the knife cost around $20 all-told to make, so I am not worried about really using it.
  • The Leatherman Wave makes a great backup tool, and, if push came to shove, I could definitely drop the other two knives and get by with just this. However, since I had two dedicated knives in my 'trio', I did not find myself using the blades on the Wave - at all. The pliers, saw, file, screwdriver bits, and other odds and ends were very useful. I would love to have a similar multitool with an additional file or precision ruler (or, better yet, a socket for replaceable ferro rods!) in place of the serrated blade.

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Conclusions:

I am going to use what I have learned to put together a new trio - or rather, a 'quatro'. The first task will be to get a new primary fixed blade for W&SS tasks. I can picture it in my head - 5" blade, drop point, flat ground, square spine, full tang with synthetic handles and slightly less pronounced handle contours. Oh, and a lanyard loop! I'm going to keep the Wave - can't mess with a classic. I'll be keeping my little EDC as well. The real question is what to add in the way of a chopper. My BK-9 is a good candidate, and it has done a great job in the past. Perhaps I will strip it and add new handles to match my new fixed blade. The alternative is to get a decent axe for basic chopping. Thoughts, opinions?

Finally, let me heartily recommend 'trio challenges' or similar minimalist exercises. They really allow you to develop an appreciation for your everyday working tools, and they give you a sense of what knife features are best suited to your W&SS needs and lifestyle. There's no need to go for six months or a year - even a one- or two-month challenge (ideally straddling a change in seasons) could provide you with some interesting insights.

That's about it. I promise I'll stop posting pictures of these three knives now!

All the best,

- Mike
 
You bring up some great points in your experiment. Even though I have waaaaay too many knives, I still prefer the minimalist approach when heading out. Plus you get to know the knife better when you are only using a couple which I like as well.
 
Nice! Even though you're looking at expanding and changing out your trio, I'll bet you find you have a soft spot for these knives for a long time:D

Regarding your next setup, if you go with a large knife as a chopper, I'd think that would open up a larger range of available knives for your main fixed blade. Meaning, if you've got a BK-9 or Machete handy, you could easily get by with a 3.5-4.5" main fixed blade, as the chopper can handle 'large knife' chores pretty easily. However, if you go with a hatchet/axe or such, you'd want a slightly larger fixed blade in order to cover all contingencies. Just something to think about-and I'm anxious to see what you pick!
 
Mike,

That was a very cool experiment and informative results. I went camping/backpacking this weekend and brought my Busse NMFBM (11" chopper), Muskrat (4" slicer), and a Leatherman Wave. It is definitely nice to be able to chop wood, make feather sticks, cut cordage, and use the Leatherman to fix bent tent pegs and as a pot holder.

Again, very cool experiment.
 
I agree that if you include a chopper your fixed blade could easily be a little shorter. In fact, other than the fact that it is a four inch blade, instead of a five inch blade, your description of the fixed blade you envision immediately made me think of the Rat Cutlery RC4. It is an outstanding outdoors knife that has "drop point, flat ground, square spine, full tang with synthetic handles" as you describe.
 
The real question is what to add in the way of a chopper. My BK-9 is a good candidate, and it has done a great job in the past. Perhaps I will strip it and add new handles to match my new fixed blade. The alternative is to get a decent axe for basic chopping. Thoughts, opinions?

I still have a hard time considering anything with less than 13" or 14" of blade a "chopper". In fact I have almost no use for outdoor blades in the 8"-12" range since they're hardly big enough over the medium fixed blade to be worth it, and still suck at chopping compared to a much longer blade of similar proportions. I'd probably pick a hatchet over most 9" blades, but I'd rather have a very long blade over a hatchet.
 
Since you still plan on keeping the 5" blade as the main utility blade. Instead of carrying another knife in the lineup why not pack a tomahawk or a fiskars hatchet?
 
Thanks for the feedback, gents!

WalterDavis and XMP, your points about the overlap potential between a primary fixed blade and a chopper is well taken. I will consider my options for different primary blade features and sizes. I may still go with a 5", just because I see plenty of situations where I will bring my primary knife for a day hike, but leave the chopper behind - so it will be nice to have that versatility. Still, a 4" design is attractive, and it opens up a whole range of possibilities. The RC4 is definitely cool!

wildmike, I am seriously considering a tomahawk. I like the look and feel of my trail hawk, and I enjoyed modding it. I'm going to take it for a few spins over the next month or two, while I am considering the chopper vs. axe thing. For me, the added bonus of a 'hawk is that the long handle can be used to knock snow off of low branches when snowshoeing, which makes for a drier trip. I'm looking at hatchets, too - the stuff coming out of the North River Custom Knives shop is particularly attractive.

the possum, I'm not sure I could justify something that big as an all-around chopper. I'm a short fellow and I don't want to tip over! :D My BK-9 has seen a fair bit of chopping time over the years, and its proportions seem to work for me. Still, I have been doing a lot of trail clearing recently, and it has me seriously considering something like a Bark River golok.

All the best,

- Mike
 
great write-up, looks like you learned alot. Great job on modding that cobblers blade, it looks really nice.

if you are open to suggestions on what you want for a chopper, i think you should definatly look into a hatchet of some sort. since you already are going to have two dedicated knives in the quartet, it seems like an axe might bring somthing new to the table, widening your range of versatility.

once i get a couple of things worked out, i think i am going to do a long term 1-trio challenge. I have my ideal bushcraft blade in the works, and i plan on having my farmer modded a little bit, and after that i think ill be pretty much set. i might occasionally add a saw or leuku to the mix, but other than that i am just going to stick with the fixed blade i mentioned, a modded farmer (just knife, saw and awl, and with wood scales) and my GB small forest axe.
 
Enjoyed reading the whole thread and heartily agree it's fun to find your trio. I have found that carrying my SAK SwissTool, my BRKT Mini Northstar or BRKT Colonial Patch knives, and Fiskars Hatchet, reground to convex; plus a Fiskars sliding saw has worked for me.
 
The first task will be to get a new primary fixed blade for W&SS tasks.

Woohoo - we can all live vicariously through your prospective purchase :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

I'd day go with a custom knife. I think a 5" knife is a great workhorse for a lot of intermediate jobs, from batoning to working with the tip. I think my favorite thickness is 5/32" in this length and I prefer a blade wider than 1", perhaps 1.25". This width/thickness/length spec gives a very stiff and robust blade but still affords good cutting performance. If I were in your situation I'd go for a full flat with a convex edge, although full convex would be good too. If you are having a devoted chopper, no need to maximize strength so full flat should do you well I'd think. There are a wide variety of makers out these parts to choose from. I'd consider any of the W&SS regulars: Gossman, NWA, Breeden, JK, Walter, DP, Brian Andrews, Koster, Magnussen, Koyote, SDS, Fiddleback. Keep your eye out in the Makers - fixed blade for sale area or the customs for sale by individual (exchange) area for immediate and good deals. Or order one to your specs.

I fully agree on your statements about a synthetic handle and synthetic sheath. Grip and ability to take anything life can throw at it. Mind you, I work my wood handle blades too, but I'm just not scared of scratching or splitting a mircata handle. Personally, I really prefer mircata to G10. I like the mircata a bit on the rougher side - canvas or burlap are my preferences. I'm not too crazy about too much contouring in the handle. In fact, I don't really like a whole lot of contours in a handle. I do like a ramp at the handle/blade junction as per bear-the-dog's post a while back.

For your chopper. I'd really recommend a good quality axe. Not a hatchet. An axe, like the G&B forest axe - 23" handle. Gives you the leverage to really chop and not too much weight penalty relative to a 18" handle. That is my suggestion. Your axe chopper will be pretty good at splitting as well as felling medium sized wood while a big knife is really better for smaller trees. Based on where you play Mentor - an axe is more handy to have. You live in the thick timbre. Take another look at Brian Andrews' modified S&N axe thread also for his pointers. Brian let me play with his modified axe a little bit and it is really beautiful. I agree with his thread - that his modified axe is a better chopper and particularly a better splitter than the G&B. The G&B is a gorgeous axe (courtesy of Joseph's from last weekend), awesome cutter and limber and would also be a great carver. I'm not sure it is a great splitting axe though - thin profile.

I'd be torn in your situation, because I like big chopper knives. I find big knives very fun to play with, but as per above, I don't think they are the best chopper out there for Ontario woods. Since I have no qualms about prostituting myself to a variety of knives, my recommendation of the axe and professed love of having different big chopper knives isn't a contradiction. It could be for you though since you apparently take yourself and personal promises seriously :D Then again you can look at a kukri as an alternative to an axe. I have no experience with them so I really can't judge how well of a replacement to an axe they would be.

You like your leatherman. I frankly lost interest in mine. I used a leatherman on the boat often as it is good for mechanical things. In the woods I find them heavy for the amount of use they get. I prefer a small SAK with all the tools (can opener being a main one and small saw the second priority). A larger folding saw is also a good companion. Sometimes you want to finesse cut wood and an axe isn't the way to go.
 
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For a long time, Ten years, I carried just a Fillet knife, a Buck 110 and a Estwing Ax in the truck. I never lacked equipment for any outdoor recreation. If I were Hiking more, I would just replace the ax with one of the quality folding saws and never look back. With the weight of the 110 however, any medium sized fixed blade of decent quality would fill the bill.
 
Thanks for sharing your experience with us, Mentor. I'm not as knife knowledgable as the people that have already posted (I used only a Mora for about 20-25 years), but I also would prefer a bit shorter fixed blade, thus my love for my Bravo-1. I also really like my RC-3. Anything that requires more length is adequately provided for with my Becker Machax.

I have no love for hatchets. For me, they are too dangerous to use when cold and tired. I've heard more than a few stories about people that tried to rearrange their legs with one. An axe would be a good choice in our bush, but I have back problems and so rely on my Becker Machax (9") and it does what I need doing.

Did I mention that I like my Becker Machax? :confused: If I didn't have one, I would seriously look at something from Himalayan Imports - many good reports. Anyway, just my 2cents. Yours will undoubtedly vary.

Let us know what you decide and why.

Cheers,

Doc
 
Thanks for chiming in kgd and Doc - I always value your opinions (and everyone else's as well, of course).

Point taken on the whole axe (or machax - I have a thing for Beckers!) vs. hatchet thing. I am seriously considering a S&N. Perhaps I will spend the summer months comparing an axe to a big chopper before inviting one of them to join the trio.

Increasingly, I am of the opinion that my decision about the chopper / axe will really influence my selection of primary woods knife, which makes sense. If I don't wind up making the knife myself, I will definitely be selecting a custom piece from one of the regular W&SS makers.

All the best,

- Mike
 
Thanks for chiming in kgd and Doc - I always value your opinions (and everyone else's as well, of course).

Point taken on the whole axe (or machax - I have a thing for Beckers!) vs. hatchet thing. I am seriously considering a S&N. Perhaps I will spend the summer months comparing an axe to a big chopper before inviting one of them to join the trio.

Increasingly, I am of the opinion that my decision about the chopper / axe will really influence my selection of primary woods knife, which makes sense. If I don't wind up making the knife myself, I will definitely be selecting a custom piece from one of the regular W&SS makers.

All the best,

- Mike


Hey Mentor, you just reminded me. Did we ever see misanthropist's chopper completed?

Doc
 
Mentor,
Thanks for the follow-up and posting your very informative results. :thumbup:
 
WOW.. great stuff Mentor....:thumbup: what a truly humbling experience.... i don't think i would ever have been able to do it...:o though i have A LOT of knives, i generally use a select few............until i get a new one..:D
you made some very valid points and i can definitely see where you are coming from... different tasks call for different tools... a chopper would have been a must for me....
 
Use the right tool for the job, if you want to chop, forget the big knife, and use a hatchet or a machette, a small saw comes in handy as well. I chose the Leatherman Charge TTi instead of the wave, the S30V blade steel eliminates the need to carry another small utility knife. For food prep and such, I just can't do without a 7" chefs knife.
 
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