Review Opinel No. 9 Carbone: A Knife of the Ancients

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Or you can and write a 37 page diatribe about it. 😁
Please remember that I would never twist your arm to force you to read it. I wouldn't even want to try. You know, I write these long posts for myself so that I can learn from the research that goes into each piece, so that I can work on my writing skills (and my weird sense of humor), so these are a labor of love for me. They're not for everyone, to be sure. In fact, they're really just for me! But if they might prove useful and interesting to some other person, then that's all the better! Thanks for the snarky humor. This is what I love! 🤪🤓
 
i actually enjoyed it!
Please remember that I would never twist your arm to force you to read it. I wouldn't even want to try. You know, I write these long posts for myself so that I can learn from the research that goes into each piece, so that I can work on my writing skills (and my weird sense of humor), so these are a labor of love for me. They're not for everyone, to be sure. In fact, they're really just for me! But if they might prove useful and interesting to some other person, then that's all the better! Thanks for the snarky humor. This is what I love! 🤪🤓
I enjoyed it! You dont have to agree with someone to enjoy the content and work that goes into the piece.
 
Hi S sodak ! I think that would be cool as well, but I don't believe 1095 as designed as a steel has that capability in it. [...]
Around 20 years or so ago, Alvin Johnstone was grinding very thin blades out of 1095 at 65 or 66, and getting some pretty impressive results out of them. It was on rec.knives, which was subsequently ruined by trolls. I'm not sure how to go back and retrieve those conversations though.
From that data, 1095 isn't impressive anymore. I've seen it written that in the early days of stainless steels being applied to knives, when they are quite soft and of mediocre quality at best, the reputation of carbon steel blades had it that they were better than any stainless steel blades. But that was a long time ago, and it's definitely no longer the case. There just aren't any carbon steels used in knife blades, at least in the budget range, that can compete with modern stainless. The objective scientific data simply can't be denied. And that was a key point in my criticism of my post about the Opinel Carbone knife.
I agree, it might have been valid to generalize all steels as stainless vs non-stainless (or high carbon) back in the 1960's, but the technology has improved so much, with so many different types of each, it's really not valid to generalize like that anymore.
 
Your opinion stinks.
Hi Boattale Boattale thanks for reaching out. Your comment is not articulate. Can you try again with some substance and data behind it? Perhaps try explaining what you find malodorous. Did the data behind my argument touch a nerve? I have no idea what you are actually trying to say. Give me your facts and data and we can have a civil conversation, but comments like this are just plain silly.
 
Some of us don't need or want the latest, greatest top of the list steel but rather enjoy and appreciate using a really old, well designed tool that still works really well for what it was designed and priced for.
Therein is the reason traditional pocket knives still occupy a substantial part of the market and have a loyal following. Most traditional knife patterns have origins in their intended use. I don't see that in "modern" style knives with the latest super steels and lock designs. They appear to be designed for the market rather than a job to be done.

Plus traditionals of all countries are right up there on my "Neato meter" in a way very few if any modern knives/steels are for me.
Your article was well written but a long way from unbiased.
Yes, I am biased.
 
Hi Boattale Boattale thanks for reaching out. Your comment is not articulate. Can you try again with some substance and data behind it? Perhaps try explaining what you find malodorous. Did the data behind my argument touch a nerve? I have no idea what you are actually trying to say. Give me your facts and data and we can have a civil conversation, but comments like this are just plain silly.
Some things are intuitively obvious to even the casual observer. A 40 year old No. 8.
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Some of us don't need or want the latest, greatest top of the list steel but rather enjoy and appreciate using a really old, well designed tool that still works really well for what it was designed and priced for.
Therein is the reason traditional pocket knives still occupy a substantial part of the market and have a loyal following. Most traditional knife patterns have origins in their intended use. I don't see that in "modern" style knives with the latest super steels and lock designs. They appear to be designed for the market rather than a job to be done.

Plus traditionals of all countries are right up there on my "Neato meter" in a way very few if any modern knives/steels are for me.
Your article was well written but a long way from unbiased.
Yes, I am biased.
Hi K kvaughn thanks for writing! You make excellent points. I am keenly aware that the knife maker with the largest annual product sales is the traditional Victorinox, not Benchmade, Spyderco, or any of the popular pocketknife makers today. Have I ever owned a Swiss Army Knife? Yes, several, in fact. But would I choose one today over knives with modern blade steels, modern handle materials, and modern designs, including safer lock technologies? Nah, I wouldn’t, but clearly a ton of people do! And that’s great for them. And what I like is great for me! If I wanted a multi tool knife, you can get a Leatherman with a MagnaCut blade. There are manufacturers who make more modernized versions of the SAK, but people still flock to Victorinox! My post is just one old gal’s opinion, written so I can learn and have fun writing. I’m really glad that you enjoy what you do. That’s what this hobby is all about!
 
Edge retention ranks 1.5 out of 10. A properly heat treated high-carbon steel is too soft to hold a sharp edge for long, so it requires constant stropping and sharpening to have a useful edge. And a properly heat-treated carbon steel, as Opinel claims for their XC90 blades, is 57-59 HRc. Unfortunately, the Opinel XC90 carbon steel has a reputation for being unusually soft, with some claiming the hardness is actually in the low-to-mid 50s, which would negatively affect edge retention. The blade softness accusation reflected my experience when testing the cutting edge. The Carbone blade is just too soft to keep a sharp cutting edge, as the edge rolled over very quickly when cutting single sheets of paper. XC90 is quick to sharpen, but it’s equally quick to dull again.

Emphasis, mine. What complete, utter horsesh!t.

If your edge rolls cutting single sheets of paper like you said, your blade is actually made of cheese. Try a bite and report back with your valuable findings.
 
Edge retention ranks 1.5 out of 10. A properly heat treated high-carbon steel is too soft to hold a sharp edge for long, so it requires constant stropping and sharpening to have a useful edge. And a properly heat-treated carbon steel, as Opinel claims for their XC90 blades, is 57-59 HRc. Unfortunately, the Opinel XC90 carbon steel has a reputation for being unusually soft, with some claiming the hardness is actually in the low-to-mid 50s, which would negatively affect edge retention. The blade softness accusation reflected my experience when testing the cutting edge. The Carbone blade is just too soft to keep a sharp cutting edge, as the edge rolled over very quickly when cutting single sheets of paper. XC90 is quick to sharpen, but it’s equally quick to dull again.

Emphasis, mine. What complete, utter horsesh!t.

If your edge rolls cutting single sheets of paper like you said, your blade is actually made of cheese. Try a bite and report back with your valuable findings.
Why do inarticulate people always resort to insults and cursing? It’s because those people don’t seem to have the capacity to respond with intelligent, data driven replies, so instead they lean on their hurt emotions to whine instead.

C’mon, folks. My opinion is no more important than yours, but yours is no more important than mine, either. Write your own thoughtful knife review, incorporate modern scientific data to support your arguments, and try infusing a bit of humor in your writing instead of just sending caustically hostile comments to people you’ve never met. Hostility says so much more about you than me, and it's not a good look.

You know I didn’t write my post just to hurt your feelings, right? Do you really get that? How about we try again?
 
I appreciate the time it takes for you to put this together...Lots of detail......but too much VERBOSE Opining every other line......Save " YOUR " critiques for the last paragraph and just deal in the facts with the rest of the print........Just a thought......... Just remember. Opinions are like buttholes, everyone has one and there's shit behind every one too...😉.......

Your time is appreciated.👍
 
I appreciate the time it takes for you to put this together...Lots of detail......but too much VERBOSE Opining every other line......Save " YOUR " critiques for the last paragraph and just deal in the facts with the rest of the print........Just a thought......... Just remember. Opinions are like buttholes, everyone has one and there's shit behind every one too...😉.......

Your time is appreciated.👍
Thanks for the kind, positive, and funny advice, J jfk1110 . I like the analogy that managers are like diapers -- the only thing they do is cover your ass and are usually full of 💩!

I have a snarky sense of humor, and I enjoy sprinkling that throughout my writing. I believe a product review can be both a reference piece of technical information as well as a way to creatively express one's personality. I admit that I am fairly expressive! If I didn't put in the bits of exaggerated snarky humor, even I'd get bored with the content!

My friend, your time taken to write in and offer constructive guidance is greatly appreciated. Have a great week!
 
Thanks for the kind, positive, and funny advice, J jfk1110 . I like the analogy that managers are like diapers -- the only thing they do is cover your ass and are usually full of 💩!

I have a snarky sense of humor, and I enjoy sprinkling that throughout my writing. I believe a product review can be both a reference piece of technical information as well as a way to creatively express one's personality. I admit that I am fairly expressive! If I didn't put in the bits of exaggerated snarky humor, even I'd get bored with the content!

My friend, your time taken to write in and offer constructive guidance is greatly appreciated. Have a great week!
I hear you..😉.........My humor sense tends to be a wee bit ......🤔........TWISTED....😜........Have a good week. Stay safe and healthy!!!!!

James
 
" . . . if you want to keep your Opinel Carbone blade that sharp, I have one simple piece of advice. Don’t use it. At all. If you cut anything or have anything hard touch the blade edge, your factory edge is gone, long gone."

I have never liked the factory edges of Opinels. They are poorly finished IMO. I always change the edge on them and seldom have to sharpen after that. I strop them regularly as I cut pretty abrasive material on the farm: Cardboard, baling twine, feed bags. I also cut apples and carrots to give meds to horses, open mail and packages, and trim splintered wood.

"I used my digital calipers to carefully measure the blade height of the Carbone blade near the back, close to the handle (which I do for all knives I review). Just touching the blade to the calipers rolled the steel at that spot, and it was clearly evident when running test slices on 20# paper. In fact, with every slice in the paper I made, more rolled edges began to appear, this time near the Yatagan edge curve where more of the cutting was done. Seriously, the burr was easily felt by my finger. I used the blade to cut paper just 3 dadburn times."

To be honest, I do not believe you. The edges of my Opinels never roll unless I am cutting harder objects. Once a year I cull the doves out of the sheds and take a rabbit or two. In processing them, bones may ding the edge. Paper does not do this.

"You’ll have a great edge forever (until the edge rusts away). If you don’t live in Death Vally or the Gobi Desert, which means rust is a problem, you can keep your Opinel knife deep inside a 5 lb. sack of dry rice. That will help a little bit."

I have been using Opinels in every climate zone in North America since the 80s. In the Pacific NW and the deep south the Carbone blades have not rusted, only patinated, and the handles have not warped. In the desert SW the handles have not split. They have done good work in Alaska and Canada and have hummed along nicely fishing and canoing. The handle joints do swell, but I have never used the mineral oil solution. I disassemble the knife and sand open the joint so that the blade can swing free. Any swelling makes the movement a little slower, any drying makes the movement freer. I only need to do this once.

Your review was intensive, but dishonest in places. It was tendentious. It was snarky, but repetitively so. I like your sense of humor, but you went back to the same comedy well too many times and it diluted your point.

And what was that point? In short, your conclusions are that the Opinel is obsolete, does not perform well, and should be ashamed to still exist as a company. The knife still does its job well, lasts a long time, and people like them enough for the company to stay in business, so your conclusions are not valid. As opinions, they amount to, "What a yucky knife."

Now I'm off to do barn chores and train horses with a rust-free, twenty-five year old, razor sharp Opinel N°10 Carbone in my pocket.

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Hi Boattale Boattale thanks for reaching out. Your comment is not articulate. Can you try again with some substance and data behind it? Perhaps try explaining what you find malodorous. Did the data behind my argument touch a nerve? I have no idea what you are actually trying to say. Give me your facts and data and we can have a civil conversation, but comments like this are just plain silly.
Sometimes a short answer says it all.
 
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Hey Sharper Apex: Want some snarky humor advice? Don't post anymore reviews. Your's (despite your self inflated opinion) is filled with falsehoods and is clearly nothing more than a self ego stroke.

There, how's that for articulation?
 
The Carbone blade is just too soft to keep a sharp cutting edge, as the edge rolled over very quickly when cutting single sheets of paper. XC90 is quick to sharpen, but it’s equally quick to dull again.

I glossed over that the first time immediately assuming the intent was just hyperbole. Like saying the opposite, "like a hot knife through butter" to describe how sharp something might be.

If the intent was serious that the edge rolled slicing paper then I'm at a loss. I don't carry an Opinel very often but I've never had this issue. And I used a Work Sharp belt system to really slim mine down, so you would think I would have a fried bacon edge. But now it cuts like a hot knife through butter.
 
Why do inarticulate people always resort to insults and cursing? It’s because those people don’t seem to have the capacity to respond with intelligent, data driven replies, so instead they lean on their hurt emotions to whine instead.

C’mon, folks. My opinion is no more important than yours, but yours is no more important than mine, either. Write your own thoughtful knife review, incorporate modern scientific data to support your arguments, and try infusing a bit of humor in your writing instead of just sending caustically hostile comments to people you’ve never met. Hostility says so much more about you than me, and it's not a good look.

You know I didn’t write my post just to hurt your feelings, right? Do you really get that? How about we try again?

Go read a few of my posts about meaningful subjects and you’ll see I can bother to be articulate when it matters. I have written a few fairly in depth reviews here which were at least honest.

You did not hurt my feelings whatsoever. I do not own any Opinels, but I have owned many in the past. I stand by what I said. Your “review“ is horseshit. You either got a dud or you are flat out lying.

" . . . if you want to keep your Opinel Carbone blade that sharp, I have one simple piece of advice. Don’t use it. At all. If you cut anything or have anything hard touch the blade edge, your factory edge is gone, long gone."

I have never liked the factory edges of Opinels. They are poorly finished IMO. I always change the edge on them and seldom have to sharpen after that. I strop them regularly as I cut pretty abrasive material on the farm: Cardboard, baling twine, feed bags. I also cut apples and carrots to give meds to horses, open mail and packages, and trim splintered wood.

"I used my digital calipers to carefully measure the blade height of the Carbone blade near the back, close to the handle (which I do for all knives I review). Just touching the blade to the calipers rolled the steel at that spot, and it was clearly evident when running test slices on 20# paper. In fact, with every slice in the paper I made, more rolled edges began to appear, this time near the Yatagan edge curve where more of the cutting was done. Seriously, the burr was easily felt by my finger. I used the blade to cut paper just 3 dadburn times."

To be honest, I do not believe you. The edges of my Opinels never roll unless I am cutting harder objects. Once a year I cull the doves out of the sheds and take a rabbit or two. In processing them, bones may ding the edge. Paper does not do this.

"You’ll have a great edge forever (until the edge rusts away). If you don’t live in Death Vally or the Gobi Desert, which means rust is a problem, you can keep your Opinel knife deep inside a 5 lb. sack of dry rice. That will help a little bit."

I have been using Opinels in every climate zone in North America since the 80s. In the Pacific NW and the deep south the Carbone blades have not rusted, only patinated, and the handles have not warped. In the desert SW the handles have not split. They have done good work in Alaska and Canada and have hummed along nicely fishing and canoing. The handle joints do swell, but I have never used the mineral oil solution. I disassemble the knife and sand open the joint so that the blade can swing free. Any swelling makes the movement a little slower, any drying makes the movement freer. I only need to do this once.

Your review was intensive, but dishonest in places. It was tendentious. It was snarky, but repetitively so. I like your sense of humor, but you went back to the same comedy well too many times and it diluted your point.

And what was that point? In short, your conclusions are that the Opinel is obsolete, does not perform well, and should be ashamed to still exist as a company. The knife still does its job well, lasts a long time, and people like them enough for the company to stay in business, so your conclusions are not valid. As opinions, they amount to, "What a yucky knife."

Now I'm off to do barn chores and train horses with a rust-free, twenty-five year old, razor sharp Opinel N°10 Carbone in my pocket.

Eg1ksL1.jpeg

Exactly.

Hey Sharper Apex: Want some snarky humor advice? Don't post anymore reviews. Your's (despite your self inflated opinion) is filled with falsehoods and is clearly nothing more than a self ego stroke.

There, how's that for articulation?

Concise, and dead on.
 
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