Opinion: The problem with most Chinese brands

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But, why purchase overseas and ignore producers here at home?
Because.... more choice? Thats like saying why eat chicken when you have beef.
People are not ignoring beef when they happen to eat chicken.

Maybe you like beef because it has more passion... but some just like chicken.

Btw, those cheap chinese knives you speak of.. like Smith & Wesson and thise gas station knives are American brands, but produced in China. The original post talks about WE and Kizer and the likes... you know, the Chinese brands.
 
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But, why purchase overseas and ignore producers here at home?

Good knives are made everywhere. And while I have no interest in Kizer, Reate, WE, etc., products, I own a LOT of knives from Switzerland and Japan. Overseas does not only mean from China. I happen to really like many knives produced in Seki City, and probably own more knives from Switzerland than from any one other place. In the case of SAKs, for myself, there are no American-made pocketknives that can match the versatility and quality at such low prices.

I also own plenty of USA-made knives. Not out of some sense of patriotic duty, but again, because I LIKE them.

People who enjoy the hobby of knives can purchase knives from wherever they want, without any guilt trips. Whether only from their own country, or from anywhere on their planet. It's all good, and people who happily buy knives from international sources are certainly better than the type of person who wants to see all knife carry banned, wouldn't you agree?

Jim
 
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I like Chinese knives. My last two, Reate and We, are made from Swedish steel. Seems like I buy production knives from off shore and customs from the USA, although I do have many USA production knives. Things may get more complicated if/when China starts making a lot of one-off custom knives. Seems like that is the direction they are headed since now you see lots of limited editions out of China.
 
Market evolves. Making just very few quality knives is a very risky bet. If those few do not work out, you go bankrupt and everyone you hired loses jobs. As a company it makes sense to take all actions that help you survive. That is to churn out as many models as possible, at cost that most consumers are fine spending. Majority of consumers want to spend less money.

And wtf is this about company’s passion of making knives?? American companies arnt charities or artisans. They solely exist to make money just like any corporation. If it seems like they have more “passion” they are much better at “marketing”.

Come to think of it, what Chinese manufacturers need the most is a good American marketing agent. So they make it seem like they have more “passion”. You know, churn out more Youtube vids, come to forums and talk & whatnot. Thats more “passion” right?

But then again, there will be more excuses to hate a specific nation. Chinese made junk before so it was hated. Now they have high end stuff, and “they have no passion”. There will always be an excuse to want to hate a group of people. I have no excuses. I like americans because I am one. I hate Chinese for no reason, without making up excuses. end of story.

I think you drastically misunderstood my "passion" remark. The way this is communicated is in the fundamental design. Substance taking priority over flash. There is absolutely nothing wrong with embellishment, but it very clearly takes the forefront over performance in many designs we see today (which, again, is not just a Chinese company thing.) Aesthetics should be considered only after the functional parameters are dialed in, and should be implemented in a way that doesn't detract from the functionality of the tool. Instead we have a mountain of ostentatious knives designed for nothing more specific than "EDC" or "survival" or "tactical" (whatever that means) with the knives being able to perform many tasks in spite of their lackluster functional design. Fortunately, knives--as a class of tool--are very forgiving in this regard. But the designs very commonly communicate the intent of the designer, and arguably most of those currently on the market are not remaining suitably grounded in strong functional design principles, focusing on artistic and engineering flash and "wow factor" when the real wow factor should come from putting the tool into action. Most knives that have been in continuous production for more than 5 years have lasted that long because they're practical tools that are pleasant to use, and represent a strong value. Often these tools manage to combine this with some sort of distinct aesthetic that doesn't get in the way of the functional aspect.
 
I’m not even American (Canadian) and I buy as much as I can from USA over Far East whenever possible. Always have.

Maybe because I am getting older and can remember back when most American products (Guitars, knives, cars, bikes and many others) were of highest quality and Chinese/Korean/Taiwan was crap and Japanese and Mexico was margianally better. I admit my views are absolutely due to ignorance on my part due to past perceived American quality superiority.

It was tough for me recently to pay almost $200 for a (God forbid!) Taiwanese Spyderco and it is an absolutely amazing knife. Likely better built than ANY of my American knives. I’m thrilled that I bought it. I have a few Chinese knives that are really nice as well.

My problem with quality Chinese knife brands such as WE, Reate, Kizer and others is that they tend to confuse me with so many different knive styles at so many different price points. If I got to handle a bunch before buying, I would likely be a very happy owner/buyer.
 
The one problem with most Chinese knives?

HEAT TREATMENT!!!!


I try to buy from very well known manufacturers and bladesmiths and stay away from Chinese knives for this very reason.

I'm skeptical when I see a hundred designs all in M390 from one manufacturer. They know the game alright but who is checking their metallurgy and heat treatment. Nahh... I'll pass.
 
Because.... more choice? Thats like saying why eat chicken when you have beef.
People are not ignoring beef when they happen to eat chicken.

Maybe you like beef because it has more passion... but some just like chicken.

Btw, those cheap chinese knives you speak of.. like Smith & Wesson and thise gas station knives are American brands, but produced in China. The original post talks about WE and Kizer and the likes... you know, the Chinese brands.

How many more choices do you want or need? Some people mentally shut down if they have too many choices. Just try to get a high school senior make a decision about a class ring if they have more than three rings to choose from. It is almost impossible.

If I am not mistaken there are some here that avoid Chinese knives because of all the confusion and selection. Post 85 is a good example. People will draw the line in the sand at some point and just avoid brands and products they don't know or trust. There is something to be said for brand recognition.

However, when I spot the same basic model/design of knife marketed with three or four different brand names and logos, I tend to shy away from all of them. No matter what company name is etched on the blade. Including Smith & Wesson. Why? Because I have found that when products are marketed like this, production standards are traditionally low and the end product is lacking. The most consistent example of this type of poor quality and marketing I have ever seen is with Chinese knives.

Yes, there are some excellent Chinese brands, WE, Kizer, etc, and if you want to own them, have at it. It's your wallet and your hobby. Enjoy. But, these quality Chinese brands are the exception. Not the rule.

With US made products, I normally am assured better customer service, better designs, and superior workmanship when compared to most Chinese knives. Many times, this holds true even when compared to better Chinese manufacturers. Also, as the Chinese have gotten better, their prices have climbed to the point that there is little or no difference when compared to US brands. Under these conditions, I try to take care of those here at home first.

As for gas station knives, I don't remember ever seeing an S&W brand knife at any of my local stations. Plenty of cheap Chinese knives in a jar next to the cash register and green scaled knives with skulls on them behind the counter though. Maybe your gas stations are more upscale than those in my neighborhood.

As for the question, beef or chicken? Beef. My family's livelihood was cattle ranching for generations. Unfortunately, recent cardiac problems limit my diet to very little beef and I am getting bored with chicken. And I am learning to tolerate fish.
 
How many more choices do you want or need?

As for the question, beef or chicken? Beef. My family's livelihood was cattle ranching for generations. Unfortunately, recent cardiac problems limit my diet to very little beef and I am getting bored with chicken. And I am learning to tolerate fish.

Why tolerate fish? How many choices do you want or need? Just stick with beef, just one.

And yes the gas station at our town sells Smith and Wesson knives.. they are the cheap chinese junks, but the brand is American. Just like majority of chinese goods sold in US.. made in china, owned by an American company (ex. electronics)

Yes majority of chinese made knives are junk. Majority of chinese brand knives are junk. Some are not. And I bet most people here dont care for the cheap gas station knives. I wont consider getting a Chinese gas station knife (American company owned or not). Im pretty darn sure, when people here are buying Chinese brand knives, they are buying WE, Reate, Kizer types of higher end knives.

But then again, it doesnt matter if those specific ones are higher end, since “them Chinese” make majority of crap knives, therefore... their higher end knives are crap. And “them Chinese” dont have any passion. Oh and also “them Chinese” give way too much choice, lol.
 
Honestly, whether they are Chinese or from elsewhere, I feel that the offer for $150-$300 nice looking, well adjusted but totally flavorless knives is overwhelming. Saturates the market and get the historic brands struggle, hence a price hike on more conservative items.
The novelty effect is hurting everyone IMO.
 
When I say Chinese knife, this is what I'm talking about.
Reate- Future 27 of 50
We- 604DST 6 of 80

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As many as possible.

If you refuse to buy quality Chinese knives, then clearly the "problem" about Chinese knives, to you, is that they are Chinese.

On the high end, China is doing the same things the US is.

This basically nails it.:thumbsup:
 
I agree.

It seems people are grasping for excuses such as how chinese companies are souless, without passion and flavorless. Really?

Please, be honest with yourselves.
It is better to admit that you do not like Chinese based on their race or geography, rather then trying to rationalize it by coming up with senseless reasons.

I do not by WE or Reate. Not because they have less passion or... whatever random made up reason. I simply dont buy them because they are expensive and I dont like Chinese. Does that make me racist? Maybe. But i would rather be an honest one than make stuff up to fool myself into justifying it. I like American, Japanese and Taiwanese made knives, not because they have more “passion”.

“High-end Chinese knivess suck, because they offer too many models to consumers” is a very fun excuse though.
 
It seems people are grasping for excuses such as how chinese companies are souless, without passion and flavorless. Really?

Again, you seem to be twisting words of mine here that you didn't really understand. Try, try again. ;)
 
I wish I could afford WE or Reate. In my price range (under $60 or so), the Chinese brands are killin' it.
Real Steel, Steel Will, Kizer, Bestech and others produce knives with higher quality materials,
and better fit and finish than their American competitors.
 
I don't have much experience with Chinese brand knives so i can't offer much. Any product should be evaluated based on it's individual merits and it isnt really fair to trash all Chinese manufacturers because some suck. But with that being said, I never preferred the aesthetics of most knives from Chinese manufacturers. It seems like they are Chinese interpretations of popular western knives. And some of the models they are coming out with are god awful..what in the hell is this:

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I don't have much experience with Chinese brand knives so i can't offer much. Any product should be evaluated based on it's individual merits and it isnt really fair to trash all Chinese manufacturers because some suck. But with that being said, I never preferred the aesthetics of most knives from Chinese manufacturers. It seems like they are Chinese interpretations of popular western knives. And some of the models they are coming out with are god awful..what in the hell is this:

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I saw those a few days ago. I'll pass.
 
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