Opinions on 8cr13mov.

For a light use edc its fine. Opening envelopes or plastic packaging etc., soft materials. If you cutting cardboard, it will quickly dull.
 
Pomsbz said:
My CRKT Swindle is a cut once sharpen once knife. I like the knife but I won't be buying any more Xmov steel.
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Same with mine and it’s a shame because it is a very cool knife. Light EDC only!!
Joe
 
palonej said:
IMO....only, for EDC it’s acceptable. For a work knife....nope.
It dulls very quickly on insulation or thick cardboard.......very quickly.
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herisson said:
True. Light EDC is the playground for 8Cr13Mov and AUS8. Professional use requires some harder (and tougher) stuff. Benchgrinded and torchblower hardened saw blades have done some incredibly hard (and stupid, from a knifenut's point of view) jobs for me. L6 and 15N20 are still used and available from industrial and custom makers. They make for amazing knives. Just not stainless...
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Strange. Back before all these "super steels" tradesmen and the working man, farmers, and others who used their knives daily just as hard as we do today (if not harder) got along just fine with plain old 1095 or one of the earlier stainless steels, and their knives lasted for decades.
Why is it that unless it is "the latest and greatest" the steel used is not any good, even though it has a track record of successful use dating back potentially (as is the case for 1095) for centuries?
Hate me if you must, but it makes no sense to me.
 
I will have to disagree with the crowd, I think 8cr keeps a good working edge for a reasonably amount of time. It won't keep a razor edge for long but that doesn't limit it for many of the duties those types of knives are designed for. I think the people stating "use once, sharpen once" are particular about their edge. Which is fine because we are generally knife snobs after all but the lowly steels have their place if you don't want to spend the money.
 
Last week, I broke down a few large cardboard shipping boxes into really small pieces with my Kershaw Skyline XL. I was surprised at how well the 8Cr13MoV held up through corrugated cardboard and packing tape. Obviously, after turning four large boxes into tiny pieces it wouldn't shave hair off your arm, but the edge was still decent enough for most edc tasks. I think it cut so well because of how thin the blade and the hollow grind are, and it was really easy to sharpen back to a razor edge.
 
I bought a kershaw in 8cr and sold it after a week of edc if that tells you anything, maybe I got a bad one but..... in my opinion Stick with kershaw sandvik, Ontario d2 or aus 8, Buck Paul Bos 420, or step up a few more bucks to a vg-10 spyderco.
 
palonej said:
IMO....only, for EDC it’s acceptable. For a work knife....nope.
It dulls very quickly on insulation or thick cardboard.......very quickly.
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This.

I am surorised some poster said no problem cutting cardboard. Well, if you are only going to break down one or two boxes, it should be fine. But a knife in 8cr13mov will not be easy to break down lots of boxes, some of which are for big electronics like TVs, during the Thanksgiving season. I t will get dull quickly and you will have to sharpen it in the middle.
 
I pass on 8cr13mov junk. There are so many better budget steel types.

Generally spyderco heat treat 8cr13mov well. Do think they had a Byrd ht'ed to 60hrc give or take. But dunno if they still run it that high
 
afishhunter said:
Strange. Back before all these "super steels" tradesmen and the working man, farmers, and others who used their knives daily just as hard as we do today (if not harder) got along just fine with plain old 1095 or one of the earlier stainless steels, and their knives lasted for decades.
Why is it that unless it is "the latest and greatest" the steel used is not any good, even though it has a track record of successful use dating back potentially (as is the case for 1095) for centuries?
Hate me if you must, but it makes no sense to me.
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They used them probably way harder (more intensively) than we do, no question. They just sharpened their knives and tools very often and had no problem with it. They used what was available and made do.
 
afishhunter said:
Strange. Back before all these "super steels" tradesmen and the working man, farmers, and others who used their knives daily just as hard as we do today (if not harder) got along just fine with plain old 1095 or one of the earlier stainless steels, and their knives lasted for decades.
Why is it that unless it is "the latest and greatest" the steel used is not any good, even though it has a track record of successful use dating back potentially (as is the case for 1095) for centuries?
Hate me if you must, but it makes no sense to me.
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When nothing much better was available??? Sure.
That is true with any tool.
 
kreole said:
I like 8cr13mov better than 14c28n and bd1 but guess I'm in tht minority. 14c28cn doesn't seem to hold a working edge as long, and bd1 feels about the same for more money (in Spyderco's lineup). I'll take vg10 over it any day, though I don't think an Endura is worth $25+ over a Resilience.
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I found the same thing in my experience. 8cr would hold an edge just a little longer then aus8 and 12c27. And about the same amount of time as bd1.
With that said it's been a long time since ive used bd1(i couldnt sharpen as well back then) and like a good aus8 and sandvich steels more then 8cr. I could put an extremely keen edge on those with minimum effort.

To the OP, i used a Spyderco Persistance for a little over a year, everyday, in a shipping warehouse. It had to cut alot of cardboard, plastic straps, wrap off pallets, and did great. I would have to touch it up about every night though. After 2 days of that kind of use with out any sharpen/honing, it would start to struggle through everything. To the point where i was just forcing it through the material and the edge wasn't doing its job.
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My Tenacious is still pretty sharp even after moderate usage, and have to say I really like that knife.
My main EDC's are still CPM-154 and S35VN though.
 
8cr13mov used to be just fine. I used it for many years. But now with all of the better options, I would consider other steels.
 
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Hermit_Knight said:
G’day I’m looking to get one of Spydercos budget line like a resilience or tenacious or a Byrd. I am just wandering if anyone has any opinions about 8cr13mov steel, I am used to vg10 on my endura and it’s great and pretty damn tough. How is the heat treatment on the 8cr13mov? Is it tough, good edge retention etc? Thanks all.
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FROM: "Cedric & Ada Gear and Outdoors" on YouTube

KEY
Steel(Special), # of cuts knife #1 - Manufacturer #1; # of cuts knife #2 - Manufacturer #2


CPM REX 121(UNLEASHED - 17dg edge(LANSKY)), 925 to 950 - Creely Knives

Maxamet(UNLEASHED - 17dg edge toothy), 810 - Spyderco Manix 2
Maxamet, 563 - Spyderco Manix 2, 20 degree edge
CPM 10V(UNLEASHED - 17dg edge toothy), 550 - Spyderco Fahrid K2
S110V (UNLEASHED - 17dg edge) 500 - Spyderco Para 3
CPM M4(UNLEASHED - 17dg edge), 489 - Spyderco

K390(UNLEASHED - 17dg edge), 480 - Spyderco
CPM 4V, 475 - Bark River Knives, Kephart 5

S90V(UNLEASHED - 17dg edge), 440 - Benchmade Altitude

M390(UNLEASHED - 17dg edge), 440 - Steel Will Cutjack
M390(UNLEASHED - 17dg edge), 425 - REPLACEMENT Steel Will Modus

HAP40(UNLEASHED - 17dg edge), 415 - Spyderco Dragonfly 2
CPM 10V, 389 - Spyderco Fahrid K2
Cru Wear(Polished Edge), 375 - Creely Knives
CTS-XHP (UNLEASHED - 17dg edge), 370 - Cold Steel American Lawman

CPM 20CV, 351 - Benchmade Griptillian 555-1
Cru Wear(UNLEASHED - 17dg toothy edge 600 grit), 350 - Creely Knives
ZDP189, 336 - Spyderco Endura

M390, 334 - Lionsteel TRE; 400 cuts at 20 degrees on mirror polished edge - WE Knives 620j

CTS 204P, 321 - Spyderco Southard
ELMAX (Unleashed), 320 - Microtec DOC (20 degree mirror polished edge)
HAP40, 300 - Spyderco Dragonfly 2
CPM S110V, 295 - Spyderco Paramilitary 2; 281 - Spyderco Manix 2
S35VN(UNLEASHED - 17dg), 295- Cold Steel Recon 1
SGPS, 291- Fallkniven U2
CTS 40CP, 285 - Strider SNG
CPM M4, 280 - Benchmade Contego; 224 - Spyderco Mantra
CPM S90V, 278 - Spyderco Native 5

S30V (UNLEASHED), 260 - 17DPS Polished Edge on Spyderco Sage
K390, 242 - Spyderco Police 4
CTS XHP, 242 - Cold Steel Broken Skull
ELMAX, 236 - Zero Tolerance 0562
LC200N, 226 - Spyderco Spydiechef
Vanadis 4, 225 - Zero Tolerance 0180 (???? 4V?)
CPM 3V, 209 - Cold Steel Master Hunter; 198, Bark River Bravo 1 LT
CPM S35VN, 198 - Kizer Gemini; 194, ZT0220; 187 - Reeve Sebenza
A2, 191 - Bark River JX6 (BRK does A2 right)
RWL34(RHC 59), 186 - Foolhardy Knives
S35VN(Factory Edge), 180 - Cold Steel Recon 1
Laminated CoS, 176 - Fallkniven PC
CPM S30V, 175 - Benchmade 940; 190 - Spyderco Sage

Aogami Blue Steel, 140 - Higo No Kami; 210 - Higo No Kami UNLEASHED, 14 degree edge

NIOLOX, 135 - Lionsteel T5
154CM, 124 - Leatherman Skeletool CX
D2, 120 - Ontario Rat 1 (Ontario does D2 right)
VG10, 115 - 17 degree polished edges, Spyderco Delica
CTS BD1, 112 - Cold Steel Voyager
CPM S35VN, 109 to 113 - ZT 0909 (TWO TESTS)
BDZ1(UNLEASHED), 111 - Gerber Strongarm
01, 109 - Tindall Knives Sawtooth Hunter
AEB L, 108 - DB Blades Custom Knife
Sleipner, 105 - Lionsteel SR11
14c28n, 105 - 17 degree polished edges, ? unknown knife
80CRv2, 100 - Terava Jaakari puukko
Infi, 90 - Busse
X12MF, 90 - Kizlyar Fileen
14c28n, 88 - Mora Garbera
1095 Cro Van, 87 - Ka Bar BK7 (better than std 1095)
N690co 87 - Spyderco Pingo
12C27, 85 - Greystone Custom Knife
VG10c 83 - Kizer Dukes; 75 - Spyderco Delica; 74 - Fallkniven F1
Ceramic, 80 - Savannah, Kitchen Knife
L6c 80 - Svord Peasant
420HC (UNLEASHED), 80 - Gerber Strongarm
440C 77 - Lionsteel Mini
BDZ1, 75 - Gerber Strongarm
440C, 75 Kizlyar Hero; 70 - Kizlyar Ute
1095, 75 - ESEE 4; 69 - SCHRADE 42D
VG1, 73 - Cold Steel SRK
9cr18mov, 72 - Freewolf Knife
14c28n, 71 - Real Steel E571
Case Chrome Vanadium, 70 to 77
D2, 67/70 - Viper Keeper
4116, 67 - Cold Steel Bushman
BOS 420HC, 67 - Buck vantage select
C75, 66 - Opinel
Case Tru Sharp, 60 to 65
AUS8, 60 - Al Mar Facon; 58 - Ontario Rat 1; 52 - Cold Steel Kobun
5160, 59 - Ontario Bushcraft Field
8cr14mov, 56 - Tonife Luminescence
12c27mod, 55 - Opinel
AN58, 53 - Nieto Pegaso
440c, 53 - Ganzo Gsomething
420HC, 50 - Gerber Strongarm
M390, 50 to 100 cuts(5 complete tests), Steel Will Modus (BOGUS KNIFE STEEL)
420hc, 44 - Leatherman Surge; 48 - Gerber Strongarm
8cr13mov, 48 - CRKT NOMA; 39 - CRKT Swindle
420 J2, 40 - Buck 311
440A, 38 - Becker Remora
5cr15mov, 37 - Gerber Index
Victorinox, 36 - Explorer
7cr13Mov, 35 - Bear Grylls Knife
Cast Iron, 20 - Amazon.com Cast Iron Kitchen Knife
???, 9 - Z HUNTER
???, 4 to 6 - Shit internet knife
???, 3 - Butter Knife
 
Holy cow! So M4 cuts 6 times longer than vg10 and 10 times longer than 8cr13mov?
 
Thanks for all the information guys I appreciate it I think I’m just going to save up and get a paramilitary 2 but I will pick up a tenacious down the road just to test it out.
 
Tommy-Chi said:
FROM: "Cedric & Ada Gear and Outdoors" on YouTube

KEY
Steel(Special), # of cuts knife #1 - Manufacturer #1; # of cuts knife #2 - Manufacturer #2


CPM REX 121(UNLEASHED - 17dg edge(LANSKY)), 925 to 950 - Creely Knives

Maxamet(UNLEASHED - 17dg edge toothy), 810 - Spyderco Manix 2
Maxamet, 563 - Spyderco Manix 2, 20 degree edge
CPM 10V(UNLEASHED - 17dg edge toothy), 550 - Spyderco Fahrid K2
S110V (UNLEASHED - 17dg edge) 500 - Spyderco Para 3
CPM M4(UNLEASHED - 17dg edge), 489 - Spyderco

K390(UNLEASHED - 17dg edge), 480 - Spyderco
CPM 4V, 475 - Bark River Knives, Kephart 5

S90V(UNLEASHED - 17dg edge), 440 - Benchmade Altitude

M390(UNLEASHED - 17dg edge), 440 - Steel Will Cutjack
M390(UNLEASHED - 17dg edge), 425 - REPLACEMENT Steel Will Modus

HAP40(UNLEASHED - 17dg edge), 415 - Spyderco Dragonfly 2
CPM 10V, 389 - Spyderco Fahrid K2
Cru Wear(Polished Edge), 375 - Creely Knives
CTS-XHP (UNLEASHED - 17dg edge), 370 - Cold Steel American Lawman

CPM 20CV, 351 - Benchmade Griptillian 555-1
Cru Wear(UNLEASHED - 17dg toothy edge 600 grit), 350 - Creely Knives
ZDP189, 336 - Spyderco Endura

M390, 334 - Lionsteel TRE; 400 cuts at 20 degrees on mirror polished edge - WE Knives 620j

CTS 204P, 321 - Spyderco Southard
ELMAX (Unleashed), 320 - Microtec DOC (20 degree mirror polished edge)
HAP40, 300 - Spyderco Dragonfly 2
CPM S110V, 295 - Spyderco Paramilitary 2; 281 - Spyderco Manix 2
S35VN(UNLEASHED - 17dg), 295- Cold Steel Recon 1
SGPS, 291- Fallkniven U2
CTS 40CP, 285 - Strider SNG
CPM M4, 280 - Benchmade Contego; 224 - Spyderco Mantra
CPM S90V, 278 - Spyderco Native 5

S30V (UNLEASHED), 260 - 17DPS Polished Edge on Spyderco Sage
K390, 242 - Spyderco Police 4
CTS XHP, 242 - Cold Steel Broken Skull
ELMAX, 236 - Zero Tolerance 0562
LC200N, 226 - Spyderco Spydiechef
Vanadis 4, 225 - Zero Tolerance 0180 (???? 4V?)
CPM 3V, 209 - Cold Steel Master Hunter; 198, Bark River Bravo 1 LT
CPM S35VN, 198 - Kizer Gemini; 194, ZT0220; 187 - Reeve Sebenza
A2, 191 - Bark River JX6 (BRK does A2 right)
RWL34(RHC 59), 186 - Foolhardy Knives
S35VN(Factory Edge), 180 - Cold Steel Recon 1
Laminated CoS, 176 - Fallkniven PC
CPM S30V, 175 - Benchmade 940; 190 - Spyderco Sage

Aogami Blue Steel, 140 - Higo No Kami; 210 - Higo No Kami UNLEASHED, 14 degree edge

NIOLOX, 135 - Lionsteel T5
154CM, 124 - Leatherman Skeletool CX
D2, 120 - Ontario Rat 1 (Ontario does D2 right)
VG10, 115 - 17 degree polished edges, Spyderco Delica
CTS BD1, 112 - Cold Steel Voyager
CPM S35VN, 109 to 113 - ZT 0909 (TWO TESTS)
BDZ1(UNLEASHED), 111 - Gerber Strongarm
01, 109 - Tindall Knives Sawtooth Hunter
AEB L, 108 - DB Blades Custom Knife
Sleipner, 105 - Lionsteel SR11
14c28n, 105 - 17 degree polished edges, ? unknown knife
80CRv2, 100 - Terava Jaakari puukko
Infi, 90 - Busse
X12MF, 90 - Kizlyar Fileen
14c28n, 88 - Mora Garbera
1095 Cro Van, 87 - Ka Bar BK7 (better than std 1095)
N690co 87 - Spyderco Pingo
12C27, 85 - Greystone Custom Knife
VG10c 83 - Kizer Dukes; 75 - Spyderco Delica; 74 - Fallkniven F1
Ceramic, 80 - Savannah, Kitchen Knife
L6c 80 - Svord Peasant
420HC (UNLEASHED), 80 - Gerber Strongarm
440C 77 - Lionsteel Mini
BDZ1, 75 - Gerber Strongarm
440C, 75 Kizlyar Hero; 70 - Kizlyar Ute
1095, 75 - ESEE 4; 69 - SCHRADE 42D
VG1, 73 - Cold Steel SRK
9cr18mov, 72 - Freewolf Knife
14c28n, 71 - Real Steel E571
Case Chrome Vanadium, 70 to 77
D2, 67/70 - Viper Keeper
4116, 67 - Cold Steel Bushman
BOS 420HC, 67 - Buck vantage select
C75, 66 - Opinel
Case Tru Sharp, 60 to 65
AUS8, 60 - Al Mar Facon; 58 - Ontario Rat 1; 52 - Cold Steel Kobun
5160, 59 - Ontario Bushcraft Field
8cr14mov, 56 - Tonife Luminescence
12c27mod, 55 - Opinel
AN58, 53 - Nieto Pegaso
440c, 53 - Ganzo Gsomething
420HC, 50 - Gerber Strongarm
M390, 50 to 100 cuts(5 complete tests), Steel Will Modus (BOGUS KNIFE STEEL)
420hc, 44 - Leatherman Surge; 48 - Gerber Strongarm
8cr13mov, 48 - CRKT NOMA; 39 - CRKT Swindle
420 J2, 40 - Buck 311
440A, 38 - Becker Remora
5cr15mov, 37 - Gerber Index
Victorinox, 36 - Explorer
7cr13Mov, 35 - Bear Grylls Knife
Cast Iron, 20 - Amazon.com Cast Iron Kitchen Knife
???, 9 - Z HUNTER
???, 4 to 6 - Shit internet knife
???, 3 - Butter Knife
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Thanks for the info I can’t believe I have not seen this guys channel and I’m also an Aussie!
 
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