Opinions on Entrek Knives

@ t1mpani

Same thing goes today, ive bene out on patrols carrying over 80 pounds, sucks going up afghani hills. I carried 2-3 knives daily, each for different things so i don't think the merc would be at all to heavy for its intended purposes.
 
@ t1mpani

Same thing goes today, ive bene out on patrols carrying over 80 pounds, sucks going up afghani hills. I carried 2-3 knives daily, each for different things so i don't think the merc would be at all to heavy for its intended purposes.

Man I'm really looking at the merc and the elk but I'm not sure which one to get first.
 
For me its the merc or bison, kind of a moot point right now since im not really buying knives right now, but i gotta say i regret not getting an entrek.
 
I got my Javelina in and will put it to work this weekend camping near Ocala. It has the same blade size as the Jag, but the handle it a bit longer and more comfortable for my big mitts...
 

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@ t1mpani

Same thing goes today, ive bene out on patrols carrying over 80 pounds, sucks going up afghani hills. I carried 2-3 knives daily, each for different things so i don't think the merc would be at all to heavy for its intended purposes.

Yep, amazing just how much all the gear adds up to. The Swiss Army is lucky that they only have to carry that knife. ;)
 
I'm just all over this thread! :eek: :D

Well, as one who--through a very unfortunate sequence of events involving a worn out step ladder with a weak step and a high set of shelves I was installing--ended up with one end of a steel shelf bracket buried about two inches deep between a couple of ribs (which it went between after breaking one of them), I wouldn't have any doubt about my ability to drive almost any knife with an actual point into just about any soft target. Mental barriers would likely be harder to overcome than physical ones.

Here's the exact dangerous instrument I speak of. Fearsome, ain't it? Eight years out, it still haunts my dreams :)

http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc...splay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053

Ouch!
 
Nice little vid, gives some good looks at the knives in an actual human hand to give people an idea of scale. I do have to take issue with one thing, though...

"440C holds an edge about five times as long as O-1 tool steel". Ummmmmmmmmmm.............no. :D

If we're talking about edge degradation due to oxidation, that's one thing. This sounded like edge holding during actual work, though.

In purely abrasive edge degradation, where we are talking about steel being worn off by friction with cutting media, 440C has a slight advantage over O-1 (and by slight, I mean about five to ten percent, not five hundred percent) assuming the same geometry and both being hardened to the 58 HRC range. That hardness, however, while approaching the upper useable limit for 440C, is nowhere near the limit for O-1. Take O-1 to 60-61 HRC and you'll see it catch up with 440C's abrasion resistance while still being tougher in terms of torsion forces or impact, and take it on up to 64-65 HRC and it'll leave 440C in a little crying heap on the floor, though it does become more brittle at that hardness; however still entirely useable for slicing or skinning work. 440C can be brought into the very low 60s HRC, but it becomes extremely fragile at that hardness.

Ray is a hell of a knife maker, and I really love Entrek knives, but this particular anecdotal steel comparison, while it may be indicative of the results he had with his own O-1 knives, flies pretty square in the face of the experience of a lot of other well known folks in the industry, and certainly my own.
 
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I hear that their heat treating and cold quenching improves the 440c over some less carefully prepared 440c.
 
Proper heat treatment (which includes cryo if the steel needs it) will always maximize a steel's potential, but it doesn't turn it into a different steel. Ray does 440C as well as anybody I've ever tried and a good deal better than most, but it's still 440C at the end of the day. I'm not saying he was lying, I'm saying that he probably never experimented with O-1 enough to figure out how to maximize its potential. If he was using the old accepted "proper" hardness for O-1 that Randall has stuck with for more than half a century (and many older custom makers absolutely did), I'm not surprised by his results. Compared to O-1 at 55HRC, I'm sure his 58 HRC 440C walked all over it. But with the trend towards much harder knives in recent years--spawned largely by the increasing quality and availability of ceramic and diamond sharpeners--the old perceptions of the performance characteristics of old blade steels are very dated and largely incorrect.

According to Randall, their stainless blades (440B) hold an edge better than their O-1 blades, but in my experience, neither choice in a Randall holds its edge for very long at all compared to most modern knives at similar geometry, as Randalls are beautiful and constructed very well but are just too darned soft. A case of holding on to the way that they've always done things whether it's the best choice or not. Ruana, by contrast, has just as long and proud a heritage, and yet has changed its blade hardness choices to suit the times---modern Ruanas run noticeably harder than those of yesteryear, and hold their edges better because of it. And, though its counter-intuitive, many of the high-carbon tool steels actually enjoy a toughness spike when they climb out of the mid 50s, meaning they're actually less prone to damage at higher hardness.

Anyway, on a more pertinent note, I suddenly realized that I actually DO have a Merc---I'd completely forgotten about it as I bought it from a knife store that was closing a year or so ago and just tossed it (in its box) in the closet along with some other stuff. Pulled out the handy-dandy scale, and it comes in at 15.5 oz, so it's very close to the Silhoette.
 
Proper heat treatment (which includes cryo if the steel needs it) will always maximize a steel's potential, but it doesn't turn it into a different steel. Ray does 440C as well as anybody I've ever tried and a good deal better than most, but it's still 440C at the end of the day. I'm not saying he was lying, I'm saying that he probably never experimented with O-1 enough to figure out how to maximize its potential. If he was using the old accepted "proper" hardness for O-1 that Randall has stuck with for more than half a century (and many older custom makers absolutely did), I'm not surprised by his results. Compared to O-1 at 55HRC, I'm sure his 58 HRC 440C walked all over it. But with the trend towards much harder knives in recent years--spawned largely by the increasing quality and availability of ceramic and diamond sharpeners--the old perceptions of the performance characteristics of old blade steels are very dated and largely incorrect.

According to Randall, their stainless blades (440B) hold an edge better than their O-1 blades, but in my experience, neither choice in a Randall holds its edge for very long at all compared to most modern knives at similar geometry, as Randalls are beautiful and constructed very well but are just too darned soft. A case of holding on to the way that they've always done things whether it's the best choice or not. Ruana, by contrast, has just as long and proud a heritage, and yet has changed its blade hardness choices to suit the times---modern Ruanas run noticeably harder than those of yesteryear, and hold their edges better because of it. And, though its counter-intuitive, many of the high-carbon tool steels actually enjoy a toughness spike when they climb out of the mid 50s, meaning they're actually less prone to damage at higher hardness.

Anyway, on a more pertinent note, I suddenly realized that I actually DO have a Merc---I'd completely forgotten about it as I bought it from a knife store that was closing a year or so ago and just tossed it (in its box) in the closet along with some other stuff. Pulled out the handy-dandy scale, and it comes in at 15.5 oz, so it's very close to the Silhoette.

What are your thoughts on it after handling it?
 
Hmmmmmm.....well, I do like the handle, though if I'm making use of the forward-slanted guard in a saber grip, the corner on the back of the grip that juts upwards into my palm is kind of annoying. Again, if the handle were just 10% bigger, it'd be better for me, but obviously that's a very personal preference. Grip security is better on the Silhoette, due to one of (I think) the most comfortable sub-hilts that's ever found its way onto a production knife, but the Merc's handle is comfortable, especially when choked way up on it with an index finger looped over the guard to make use of the choil--something that is really completely uncomfortable on most knives with double guards. In this position, you have an enormous amount of leverage on the blade, and makes you just want to use the top edge for something.

I really would like a version of the Merc with exactly the same blade shape, but single edged, and with a primary grind that goes up 2/3 or even 3/4 the height of the blade, instead of the 1/2 way that is needed to achieve the double edge. Round the little spur off the upper back of the grip and I'd love it.
 
To me, the Merc's more designed for fighting than normal use. I hold it in the reverse with the primary edge facing out, though I don't anticipate ever using it in a fight.

If I want to perform normal tasks with a knife of that size, I just use my Bark River Rogue.
 
Here's my 2 cents, since I own and use 3 Entrek knives....It is IMPOSSIBLE to go wrong with the purchase of one if you are looking for a value priced, hard working knife. THEY ROCK.
 
Here's my 2 cents, since I own and use 3 Entrek knives....It is IMPOSSIBLE to go wrong with the purchase of one if you are looking for a value priced, hard working knife. THEY ROCK.

Cant say fairer than that!
Which ones do you own?
 
Cant say fairer than that!
Which ones do you own?

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Backup Utility

The utility gets used a lot more than the tantos. ;)
 
Im liking that Utility, it looks a useful knife.

It is, very. It does everything pretty well, some chores very well. Bushcrafting, survival, edc, throwing (good balance), prying (its thick), drilling (sharp point), skinning and caping. Good neutral handle profile for a multitude of self defence grips. Full tang, good 'ol 440C with a great heat treatment. Ennis is to 440C what Dozier is to D2. Holds a good edge, easily sharpened. Pretty cheap. Sheath needs improvement, but that can be said for the whole line. Jimping bites hard, pommel is rounded with a good lanyard hole placement, handle is contoured for extended usage. One gripe, the handle is a tad small in girth, but certainly not a dealbreaker. Perfect handle and blade length for me. Feels weighty in the hand, solid, which is surprising for a smaller blade.
 
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