OT American Civilian Beheaded in Iraq

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Our news was dominated by a factory explosion in Glasgow. I missed it until I saw this thread. I just can't believe that this could be done by anyone in cold blood. Words fail me.
 
munk said:
1. Because the leader is always undermined
2. Because moral relativism is the current intellectual and cultural plaything sweeping the world.
3. Because America defines western society, and a rule of decay/decline for civilization has always been self hatred. Our Western critics hate themselves too, but it's much easier to pin the US.
4. The poor hate the wealthy
5. add your own to taste

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Pretty good list!
 
I remember a story a time ago explaining why no Russian citizen suffered a long kidnapping in Lebanon in the early eighties when European and American citizens where kidnapped for years. Supposedly, after the first Russian citizen was kidnapped, the Russian security forces captured an important figure of the local muslin population, and commenced to ship it back to the kidnappers in parts. Apparently, after a couple of packages, the terrorists decided to liberate the Russian citizen and move to easier targets.
I know we are “civilized” now, and those things are not done by a democratic nation, but in my opinion, some of the local Muslim population is still living in the sixteenth century of their era, but with access to weapons of the twentieth century. They are doing and thinking the same thing that we were at that time. Perhaps we should revert to sixteenth century methods to make ourselves understood.
I might think different latter, but now I am really pissed off.

Tbar
 
Immediately after fighting ended, when the Allies occupied Germany, they did things much differently than we would today. I have read that if there was a single incident of sabetouge (sic) several members of the Village in question would be shot.

There wasn't much 'insurgency"


I don't know we want to do that today- but I do believe we can get tougher.


munk
 
The bad guys did it to make you mad, They my be evil but they are not stupid. If there is a backlash of violence on our part,
the people we want to win over will go the other way.

This is an established tactic in guerella war. Goad the occupying force into
more oppression of the common folk, and ya get more recruits and sympathy.
More of us vs them mentality.

Consider this , the prisoner stuff, and the fact that we will prosecute the
offenders is having an effect and they had to react to it. If they can goad policy or our leaders with the atrocity, they get exactly what they want.

They are loosing and they know it, so screw them...... We should all keep our tempers and hope that our troops do as well. With some luck and some good Karma maybe we can get our hands on those *******s later.

Killing them is too easy, they would like a quick trip to heaven. They should suffer more , like a lifetime and serve as an example of what misery can be.

Not saying If I had them in my sights, if wouldn't be really really hard not to
let a few go.....
 
I'm trying very hard to understand what would make a person do this to another person. I'm trying very hard to place myself in the enemy's shoes. I'm trying very hard to muster up some compassion for a misguided soul that would or even COULD do something like this to another human being. I'm trying very, very hard, but all i am feeling is a sickening burning in the pit of my gut that puts a bad taste in my mouth. Acid reflux brought on by bloodlust, i suppose. I feel such pitty for the young American murdered in such a brutal and grizzly manner. I feel even more pitty for the family of the man as they deal with his death and witness the video of their child having his head sawn from his body while hooded men scream "God is great!". The vicious and ugly things we do to each other in God's name must make Him weep. I'm trying very hard to understand everything.


~Jake
 
if you don't believe me...... It was required reading when I was in Officer basic course. I can't quote as it has been years I only remember the broad strokes. It is a book about gurrella warfare mostly, and not that much communism.

It's a tactic of war..... they wanted you to feel that.
 
Brantoken, the Wahhabis/Al Queda have been killing other Moslems for a long time. They execute and bomb them too. There is little pattern. There is no cause and effect. They are not accurately following any plans for Guerrilla war. They did mange to sway an election in Spain. In the words of moderate political analysist Mort Kondrake- we are not Spain.

It is good to be angry. This only strengthens our resolve, it does not disturb our judgement.


munk
 
Just heard the audio of the murder this morning on the drive in.....pretty f^c$in' sick MF's. I've got a pit in my stomach and not feeling very friendly. Somehow the fires of hate rarely take long to ignite.....

Brantoken....you've got a point about controlling our tempers & emotions....both of which I'm not doing very well at right now because of this BS. Retribution WILL come in time I am sure.....too bad we can't donate a couple of BLU 82's personally from the Cantina!! :D

Munk,
try http://www.drudgereport.com/ for a sequence of stills....haven't found the video....not sure if I want to.
 
I disagree stongly. One should never strike in anger.
Cold logic will prevail most of the time. Resolve and anger
are not necessary related in the way you describe. I can have resolve without anger. Anger is not a justification for anything except anger.
Let me ask you this, would you want to have a platoon leader who lost
his head the first time he got mad? While charging machine gun nest can
be brave and heroic , it's also stupid if there is another way to deal with the problem ( like air strikes, artillery, a planned coordinated attack....etc )

The islamic religion spread half way around the world though conquest.
There are military applications throughtout the religous doctrine and culture. They may have never read Moa, but that does not mean that the tactic is not used. I doubt Moa had the orignial idea, he just wrote it down.

You can also look at it this way, not only did they goad us , but they also sent
a warning to any Arab who crosses them. The tactics were used with great
success in Vietnam. It is an insurgency just the same.


Calm down guy.....
 
Were you talking to me? I can't tell, you see, because I never said to strike in anger, in fact, said the opposite.

If calling Al Queda insurgents makes anyone feel better-fine. I think it gives them a legitimacy they do not deserve.


munk
 
Put another way- if there was a group who wanted to destroy the Earth, for whatever reason, you could call them 'insurgents', but it would be more accurate to describe them as homocidal nuts. That is what Al Queda is- wahhabi Islam.



munk
 
What these animals , and any who aid , support , or agree with them NEED and DESERVE is a little Old Testement JUSTICE . I am tired of seeing pictures of dead Americans with cheering crouds of barbaric 3rd world peices of S%^t cheering in the background. They should all be treated as the enemy . it is what they want . As a Pope once said "Kill them ALL , GOD will know his own !" (this was said about the Cathars during the crusade against them . The islamic/muslim world calls for jihad and they all just agree with it or keep quiet . I say it is time for a call for a CRUSADE FOR THE HOLY LAND .Lets see what those camel jockeys do when a ALL OUT WAR is brought down on them . The jananese in WWII can tell them a thing ar two about true all out war .
 
munk said:
Immediately after fighting ended, when the Allies occupied Germany, they did things much differently than we would today. I have read that if there was a single incident of sabetouge (sic) several members of the Village in question would be shot.
There wasn't much 'insurgency"
I don't know we want to do that today- but I do believe we can get tougher.
munk
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Munk, I think you are right about getting tougher.....I think some of the useful tactics used previously would work but that was in a different media age. Now problem is the media whether it is stills, video or web based. Instead of a story taking weeks to get back or published, a video or stills can be shot across the internet immediately. Kind of hard to head that off or prevent the public from seeing it or have it get lost / censored in transit. I don't think the current media has helped the general population at all by covering war.....it is even more PR than before.

Even William T. Sherman disliked the media (reporters) and that was 140 years ago......
 
You mean "even" scorched-earth war criminal Sherman disliked reporters? Go figure. Some parts of the South have not recovered to this day.

John
 
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