OT American Civilian Beheaded in Iraq

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John,
You are right about South having not recovered whether in money, property or emotions. Sherman hated war, hated chaos, had several dear friends from the South and actually enjoyed being posted in the South prior to the war. Not everything torched was because of Sherman....some was done to prevent Sherman from living off the areas he passed through.....kind of like the Soviet Union and the Germans. Plus he saw SC as being the primary cause of the chaos that had disrupted our lives.....not GA. Once he crossed the Savannah River, his mission became one of ending the war the fastest way possible.

The point I make with the media is that they were far from accurate or unbiased in their reporting....even 140 years ago
 
Yeah, he said something which makes us sound like Red China, something profound and prophetic (and scarily so):

"Freedom comes from the barrel of a gun"

And we're out to prove it.

Let's get hell outta there and let Iran take over. Sooner the better, and mebbe the Shia and Sunni will have a nice 'civil' war in the mean time. Mebbe we can arm 'em all, and make some $$$! ;)

After our quick jaunt blithely into Kosovo, I think our leaders need to work on their International policies a bit. I'd rather have the US military committed to definitive mil actions, then removed when the politic-ing begins. Better yet, try to work on solutions b4 the need for mil arises.

We are a society of Capitalists, or at least a nation espousing such a belief. It is to our benefit to help stumbling nations and get then outta the 3rd workld and into the present, get em buying TVs, Budweiser, and Big Macs.

Prob with many (mostly extremist) Muslims is, they don't want that (this is the same problem the Romans had with Christians, cept the Muslims are acting as the Christians and we are Rome).

The ones that wanted western influence or assitance are beaten back by Muslim fundies who have their own "Church Police" and militias. The fundies were in power, and they;re really pissed that they're gonna lose out in the new world order. They were politico-religious icons. THey don't wanna go back to a day-job after that.

Ramble, ramble rant...OT

Keith
 
Ferrous Wheel said:
"Freedom comes from the barrel of a gun"
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I believe what he said was "Political power comes from the barrel of a gun."

A revolutionary equates freedom with political power, but what he means is freedom from the current regime, not necessarily freedom as in a free society.
 
Ben Arown-Awile said:
I believe what he said was "Political power comes from the barrel of a gun."
A revolutionary equates freedom with political power, but what he means is freedom from the current regime, not necessarily freedom as in a free society.
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Kind of works either way, doesn't it? :confused: :D Just as long as you're on the right end of the barrel :)
 
Sorry for the misquote. The actual quote (we're both off) is:

Every Communist must grasp the truth, "Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun."
--"Problems of War and Strategy" (November 6, 1938), Selected Works, Vol. II, p. 224.

I'm not a Maoist, so that's all I'll say.

Keith
 
This obviously isn't a popular viewpoint here, but no one seems to care about the bombs that were dropped on Iraqi civilians, or the supposedly precision-guided missiles which accidentally hit Iraqi residential neighbourhoods. I felt sick when I heard about the decapitation, but if we're not going to care about killing their civilians why should we expect them to care about ours? We can't claim any moral high ground if they're only doing to us what we've already done to them.

Yeah, I know. Iraq=evil, USA=good. For the most part, I agree. I'd much rather live in North American than in the Middle East, and the US treats its own civilians much better than Iraq treated theirs. However, the US isn't perfect, either, and should stop acting outraged when other countries do to the US what the US has been doing to them.

For those who doubt, ask yourself what you would do if the situation was reversed. If Iraq decided to invade the US and take over its government, wouldn't you fight to protect your country? How can you blame Iraqis for doing the same thing? Yeah, Saddam was a dictator who was very liberal with the lives of his citizens and who liked to invade other countries, but to them Bush is similarly dangerous... even more so, because the US has the power to successfully invade other countries. The US doesn't kill its own civilians like Saddam did, but they aren't too careful with civilians from other countries. In some ways, that's even worse.

Chris
 
I have no thoughts that are acceptable to post on this subject. All I will say is, I"M PISSED. Found a link to the video. No one should die like that.
 
Those bastards only understand one thing...DEATH! That video and the screams of that young man....horrible. I so very much want to kill them all. God help me. I thought I had changed after all these years.
 
chrisbrogden, out of fairness, before I respond to your last post, I'd like to know how old you are...
 
Seabee17 said:
I have no thoughts that are acceptable to post on this subject. All I will say is, I"M PISSED. Found a link to the video. No one should die like that.
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Here's a link that gets right to the meat of the situation. The boring part of the guy reading that long statement has been edited out.
 
Hey I know this is a knife forum, but those vids are more offensive to me by a factor of 10 than the link that DIJ got jumped on fer.

Didn't someone say this was a "family forum?" PG-13? I'll take nudes over a snuff film like this any day.

Mods, can I get a little PG-13 here?

Keith
 
I second that offensive oh yes
what is acheived i'll never know :barf:
words fail me still in shock
 
shgeo said:
However, I don't think that a good coat of pig fat on every soldier's bullets would violate the Geneva Conventions.
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Very interesting point which brings up another. I think it was Queen Victoria who ran into related problems with her army shooting at folks on that side of the globe. When deployed in India, the army had to switch from beef tallow-based bullet lube due to the Hindus getting whipped into religious frenzy over wounds inflicted on them by parts of the sacred cow.

They began using pork tallow-based lube, but then had to abandon that when target became North African muslims (the evil pig, etc.). Maybe it was the other way around (pork to beef tallow). Anyway, I think this issue may have been what caused them to finally switch to paper-patched ammo but I could be wrong.

You have to wonder about foes who fret over such details and hold the body parts of dead enemies "prisoner" though. Dealing with them won't be "business as usual" for any western army.
 
was worried this thread would go south.....time to shut her down...:(


If you're going to post pics/videos/etc. that are "questionable" - do it in W&C. If you feel we "have to know about it"....fine, come and tell us and give us a FULL WARNING IN CAPITAL LETTERS.


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