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Ferrous Wheel

Ferrous Wheel

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"American Indian Arrested After Skinning Head Of Bald Eagle: Man Says He Was Preparing Bird For Ritual"

http://www.local6.com/news/3024289/detail.html

Story says he could handle these birds legally, but not 'dissect' them. He said he was going to bury the bird's tendons in a burial mound in fla, and somone had poisoned the bird.

Not sure what ritual he was doing tho...they want to fine him.

NDNs, whadaya think? Yvsa, DT, et al.?

Keith



[FREE LEONARD PELTIER]
 
what ignorant bastard newspaper is still using the word "indian"?
they are supposed to say "native american"
 
shows some unsympathetic casting, perhaps. Still, there are many pro sports teams that use the name "Indians" or "Braves" etc, even after being asked by the tribes to change.

I always wanted to write a protest of the Minnesota Vikings logo--no freakin' viking had horns on that spangenhelm! And other than eatin lutefisk, many of those Minnesotans are pretty darn conservative and intolerant to truly be of viking blood. (They took soda machines outta schools, because caffeine is a 'gateway drug.' and, boy, don't ever light a cigarette or cigar in minn--you'll get run outta town! Buddy o mine had two cats and a dog poisoned to death while he lived there in an "upscale" neighborhood. There may be about a dozen or so Minnesotans following the old "viking" ways.)

If ignorance is bliss, here comes the rapture...eediots!

Keith
 
DannyinJapan said:
what ignorant bastard newspaper is still using the word "indian"?
they are supposed to say "native american"
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Danny, all of the ndns I know prefer American Indian over Native American. Although I do have to admit that a few of them have jumped on the PC band wagon and say Native American, but they're mostly younger than I am.:rolleyes: ;) :D
 
Ferrous Wheel said:
"American Indian Arrested After Skinning Head Of Bald Eagle: Man Says He Was Preparing Bird For Ritual"

NDNs, whadaya think? Yvsa, DT, et al.?

Keith

[FREE LEONARD PELTIER]
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Yea, this happens every now and then as well as the confiscation of Sacred Pipes at a few prisons brought in by outsiders to do ceremonies with the prisoners.
By law all birds of prey are s'possed to be sent to the Federal Conservatory in Colorado to determine how they died. Many ndns upon finding a bird wish to release its spirit and so the ceremony and the generally consistent arrest.:(
It's a damned shame and the best thing is to try not to get caught.
Anyone finding a bird is s'possed to get ahold of the local fish & game so they can pick it up and send it in.
It took me 3 years and 3 months to get my Eagle from the conservatory with the permit to have it.
My view is that if an ndn happens to find the bird then it belongs to him, given to him by the Great Mystery, and therefore should be left alone.
 
Ferrous Wheel said:
shows some unsympathetic casting, perhaps. Still, there are many pro sports teams that use the name "Indians" or "Braves" etc, even after being asked by the tribes to change.

I always wanted to write a protest of the Minnesota Vikings logo--no freakin' viking had horns on that spangenhelm!

There may be about a dozen or so Minnesotans following the old "viking" ways.)

Keith
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The mascot issue is still going strong. We have several issues with it right here in Tulsa and the surrounding area. Some Apples just don't get it and wonder what the fuss is about.:rolleyes: :grumpy:
Apple = red on the outside and white on the inside.
The Union School District has the Redskins which to us ndns represnts the bloody red scalpa and other body parts that were once turned in for bounty.
Catoosa School has the "Indians." Less hateful but you don't see any other races represented in such a way except maybe the Vikings as Keith has brought up. It wouldn't be tolerated.
The "S" word or squaw is as hated as the term Redskin and IMO all should be abolished.
Keith I would protest the name if I were you.:D
Anything that is offensive or misrepresentive shouldn't be allowed.
The deal with the USD here in Tulsa and the other teams, clubs and what have you is that they claim they are honoring the ndn while we're telling them it is offensive.
Some schools use the "S" word for their female teams. Some ndn students refuse to play under such names, others choose to play because it's all there is to do.:(
Just goes to show that the ndns still aren't generally listened too, even when we're talking about matters pertinent to us.:grumpy: :(
 
Yvsa...you have email, need to know if you got it please.
 
Agreed. I feel that the great Mystery chose me to have the stone axe head I found in a field, powerful medicine for both your folk and my folk (old ways, but diff cultures). Hassling NDNs should be the last thing on the govt's mind. Is it so easily forgotten how the NDNs on many occasions helped the colonists thru the ages?

I'm with ya man, and I don't go to "Indianapolis Indians" games neither.

I bet minnesotans would think I'm crazy...but I got's a lotta heathens who would sign that petition.

"Anything that is offensive or misrepresentive [of a culture or belief] shouldn't be allowed." Agreed. DIsney's been spinning some sickening pseudo history and legend into animated stuff recently (apparently they were done butchering Jakob and Wilhelm Grimm's stories), like Pocahontas, And another one about Conquistadores (nice spanish way to say "pirates") in Central America, think it had 'gold' in the title of course.

We're not talking PC here, just respect and that history stop being spun to serve the conqueror's conscience. History is an agreed upon set of lies.

Read you histories, folks, and not the stuff they hand ya. That's like reading a travel brochure for history.

Keith
 
from the "what's in a name?" category:
We all know the story of ndns. We've heard it a million times- an Indian is from India, and we're ignorant. (Just another reminder Whitey is going to Hell and doesn't deserve anything)

Most the ndns I know don't say "Native American"

Several years ago the Bright heads of Social Conscience decided the "MR" mentally retarded- was offensive to the mentally retarded. In their enlightenment, they insisted and gave us the term, "DD"; for 'developmentally disabled" All the texts and official docurments were changed. When I did my schooling, I said "DD"

Does anyone think a Developmentally Disabled person is going to be less offended by the derisive, "HEY- DD!" Than he would, MR?

Oh, sorry- I'm not supposed to say, "he", because that's paternalistic, exploitive, and Imperialist.



munk
 
Ferrous- about respecting history and not believing the lies and justifications the conquerers are telling you- when was the last time you picked up a high school history book?

I'm sorry, but I've heard, "The winners write history" for too long. There's a controversy in California today because under 'enlightenment' equal measure must be given to 'minorities' in the history books. The result is an incomprehensible hogpodge where you'd have to believe George Washington Carver was equal in importance to George Washington.

The solutions to these oppressions and ignorant labling are either no better or worse in our modern age than the original 'offense'.

Personally, I like "Vikings" and "Braves" etc for sports. What happened to fun in this world? How about the Atlanta Persons?


munk
 
I live within 30 miles of Cleveland. The Cleveland baseball "Indian" used to be a dignified looking older gent in a plains war bonnet. (Think "Iron Eyes Cody") The team was named for an American Indian player.

In the 30's (if I recall correctly), they dropped the chief for a cartoon figure -- "Chief Wahoo" -- with a huge cartoon nose, beet red skin, and single feather in a headband. The "mascot" was only slightly improved in the 40's.

All suggestions to drop the name or at least select a more respectful "Indian" figure are met with scorn, although the team has introduced a line of goods with an "I" instead of "Chief Wahoo."

Munk, it would be as if the figure of the "Viking" was a drooling blond drunk - say with one horn turned downwards, a blackened eye, a beer can in his hand, and circling flies.
 
Thomas, I've a strange sense of humor, and a drooling viking would appeal to me. But I can see your point very well.

I think we have an obligation not to be offended. But imagine the "Detroit Niggers" is plain offensive. We live in a society offended all the time, though, by the most benign events.
Mascots are usually cartoonish- that was the style.

Modifying the logo to the original sounds like the best solution to your example.


munk
 
it would be as if the figure of the "Viking" was a drooling blond drunk - say with one horn turned downwards, a blackened eye, a beer can in his hand, and circling flies.

That would be my second cousin on the my mother's side. If there was a brat in the other hand....it would be my Uncle :D :D

No one told me we were having a family convention anytime soon!!
;)
 
Thomas Linton said:
I live within 30 miles of Cleveland. The Cleveland baseball "Indian" used to be a dignified looking older gent in a plains war bonnet. (Think "Iron Eyes Cody") The team was named for an American Indian player.

In the 30's (if I recall correctly), they dropped the chief for a cartoon figure -- "Chief Wahoo" -- with a huge cartoon nose, beet red skin, and single feather in a headband. The "mascot" was only slightly improved in the 40's.
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You do recall correctly, TL. Cleveland 'assumed' the mascot of a short-lived minor league team called the "Dayton Indians" when they folded. I only know this because my great-uncle, Ival Goodman, was president of that team. Not the proudest moment in the family history, even though he was with the Reds in the pennant years of the 30's. Yeah, I've got an antecedent who was a Klansman as well. :o :rolleyes: :o

I would personally like to see the Boston Celtics mascot changed. As a Scottish Celt, I don't like the idea of being portrayed as a pugnacious leprechaun. (Actually, I don't care too much about that- I just don't like a lot of Bostonians.) :D
 
"apples"....I love that one...

just like "oreos"....


who comes up with this stuff?
 
MacHete said:
I would personally like to see the Boston Celtics mascot changed. As a Scottish Celt, I don't like the idea of being portrayed as a pugnacious leprechaun. (Actually, I don't care too much about that- I just don't like a lot of Bostonians.) :D
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Mac, I'd sign your petition for the name change, "Linton" being a parish in Scotia. But wait -- I read somewhere that the Scoti were an celtic clan who crossed over the Western Sea and invaded what is SW Scotland! If so, we're all Mc's and Mac's, pipes and plaids together. What if we put a kilt on the leprechan?
 
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