OT: Here's a strange one...

You mean he wasn't? I thot all men were created equal under the US Consitution. They are both very important figures in history, and equal in that if either didn't exist, we wouldn't have a country to shave in! :D(Reference to GW Carver inventing shaving cream, among other everyday items still in use today).

I don't think we should even compare them by itemizing deeds or whatever, suffice to say that they live on in their respective legacies.

I think both General Lee and Grant were equally important and integral figures in the US history.

Keith
 
Ferrous, are you spoofing me a little? Carver's most significant contribution was in finding a product- peanut butter- and a market, which the South needed desperately. That is great, and he a great man, but cannot be compared in historical significance to George Washington.

Life is real, Ferrous, and though you may not like value judgments, some people are smarter than others, funnier, more handsome, more honest, more athletic, achieve more, make discoveries, lead armies, or simply rape women, lie, cheat and steal. We are equal in we have a right to be here, and equal in opportunity (or should be) but hardly equal in either natural, developmental, or opportunitional gifts. Perhaps our Souls are equal also, though i wouldn't know about that, often trying to destroy my own to little avail.


The next step of an enlightened society is not to be afraid of making value judgements for fear of the oppression of the past, but to make better ones than what has gone before. Even then, we will fail. That's OK.

Our current society hesitates to make any at all for fear of offense. This will only lead to chaos and pain.

Mystic Munk
 
OK, then.



(Peeps? Remember what I said about the Cantina? You just never know what is going to be here when you open the door. Amazing place.)


Kis



er...keep the vikings outta Wisconsin. lutefiske is insane. Madison, WI, can out-California California. Chicago Blackhawks. "Apple" is on the same level as any other insulting appellation (sorry, I HAD to do it).

How 'bout them Cubbies?
 
I don't know what a Cub is, but I tell you the animal rights folks are not going to appreciate defamation of animals by sports outlets.





munk
 
Don't forget to include the Walking Eagles . Maybe the walking eagle should be our HI mascot. With Yvsa approval, of course. LOL

( Walking Eagle is a term used by NDNs to describe other NDNs who are so full of ---- that they can't get off the ground. )
 
Okay, everyone makes value judgements every day, I've no prob with that.

You, fer instance, mention peanut butter as Carver's signature invention, while I mention shaving cream. If another person is allergic to preanuts, they will have little good to say about Carver.

Sure, Wasington laid the groundwork (with the assistance of many nations, many folk here and abroad who don't get mentioned) for the US, but Carver's peanut butter has spread around the world (hee hee:D Beat that one Kis!). So importance of a person historically is based on the subjectivity of the respondent.

I'm just pointing out the final result is folly in comparing historic figures as whos more important. Aren't Washinngton's parents pretty darn important historially? perhaps MORE important than Washington himself? Judgement call, there.

machts nichts (sic), man, means nothing.

Judgement time:
Okay, who was more important in history of the world--Charlemagne, Gengis Khan, or Archimedes, and why?

Keith
 
Munk?

Gawd luv 'em, animal rights folks have absolutely NO sense of humor about anything.

A few years ago, I proposed to the local PETA chapter, that we found a PETTI organization (People for Ethical Treatment To Insects), to stop the wanton slaughter of bugs on windshields on our highways. I proposed a state-wide ban on speed limits over 3 mph, and/or the placement of netting over ALL roads to protect these innocent life-forms from horrific death.

Subsequent proposals about stopping the use of anti-biotics, and germicidal sprays, soaps, and (dare I say it?) hot water would be enacted once PETTI got it's first supportive legislation.

They opted not to reply. A shame, really. What a crusade that would have been!

(OK, bad connotation with 'crusade,' use 'campaign.')


Kis
 
Kismet said:
"Apple" is on the same level as any other insulting appellation (sorry, I HAD to do it).
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Yea, but at least it's the pot calling the kettle black, or in this case, red. No matter the reference to the color inside.:D ;)
And besides, it is s'possed to be insulting.
I know an ndn preacher who is reversed prejudiced. You can be a FBI, Full Blood Indin, and if you aren't red enough or have the ndn accent he won't give you credence.:rolleyes:
He is sure enough an apple though.:barf:
 
George Washington and G.W. Carver were both awesome guys. President G.W. declined both a literal kingship, and a presidency for life. Thus showing a humility and integrity in the best traditions of Cincinnatus. Carver, in addition to shaving cream and peanut butter, also developed a way to use peanut oil to stabilize black powder, making it safer to store, and more efficient to use. I'm curious to know if Carver was named G.W. by his parents, his 'owner' or if he adopted the name himself upon becoming a free man? (I think I remember that he was born into slavery, and was later released, or bought his freedom- please straighten me out if I'm wrong.) :)

And, I meant to say "paunchy" leprechaun in my earlier post. The "pugnacious" leprechaun is Notre Dame's mascot. :footinmou
 
I'm just pointing out the final result is folly in comparing historic figures as whos more important. Aren't Washinngton's parents pretty darn important historially? perhaps MORE important than Washington himself? Judgement call, there.>>>>>>>> Keith

It's not a judgement call, the way asking if one likes strawberry icecream or vanilla. I don't think you understand this, Keith. All things are not equal. It is not all relative. Hitler was a great guy- he wanted pure genes and we wouldn't let him.

Kismet- I've a theory someday people will want intimate relations with their pets. We'll get some legal and societal legitimacy for this. Probaby be when I'm long off the planet, though, but a Boy and His Dog can reach for new meanings when animals are equal to men.

Does anyone remember the name of the sect that sweeps the sidewalk before them lest they trample insects too small to see?


munk
 
munk enlightened everyone by saying:

Life is real, Ferrous, and though you may not like value judgments, some people are smarter than others, funnier, more handsome, more honest, more athletic, achieve more, make discoveries, lead armies
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Why, Thanks munk for noticing me... :-)
 
Ferrous Wheel said:
"American Indian Arrested After Skinning Head Of Bald Eagle: Man Says He Was Preparing Bird For Ritual"

http://www.local6.com/news/3024289/detail.html

Story says he could handle these birds legally, but not 'dissect' them. He said he was going to bury the bird's tendons in a burial mound in fla, and somone had poisoned the bird.

Not sure what ritual he was doing tho...they want to fine him.

NDNs, whadaya think? Yvsa, DT, et al.?

Keith

[FREE LEONARD PELTIER]
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Reminds me of the old joke of the fellow who was caught with a dead Bald Eagle. He had pulled off the feathers and was cooking the eagle over a big fire. The game warden caught him and took him before a Judge. The fellow explained that this was a religious ceremony and that he was really honoring the eagle, and that his people had been doing this for thousands of years. "Case dismissed!" said the sympathetic Judge.

"By the way", the Judge asked, 'what does Bald Eagle taste like anyway?"

"Oh," the fellow replied, "kind of like a cross between Spotted Owl and California Condor!" :)

-N.
 
munk said:
Does anyone remember the name of the sect that sweeps the sidewalk before them lest they trample insects too small to see?
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Those are the Janists, an Indian sect. Very interesting people. They wear cloths over their mouths when they walk outside so that they do not accidentally breathe in small insects and unintentionally kill them.

(To them Satan must look like the Orkin Man with a bag of BugGeta in one hand and a termite 'lectro gun in the other! ;) )

Seriously, a very gentle and devout people. Would that the whole world were that compassionate and careful of life. A good Indian friend of mine is a Vegan (no animal products of any kind in the diet), as I believe the Janists are as well, and he is very familiar with their sect.

Regards,

Norm
 
Hi Guys


PETA People Eating Tasty Animals

Gawd luv 'em, animal rights folks have absolutely NO sense of humor about anything.

Phill
 
Extremists lose their sense of humor.

I hope to God I'm not getting too bad myself.


The Janists once walked through Santa Cruz, Ca, sweeping the sidewalk in front of them. I don't remember where they were going- it might have been down the State or across the entire US. This would have been about 1977. We had some speculation how they would cross the crowded intersection on the US highway at rush hour. They only traveled a couple feet before having to chant a fresh prayer. I went to watch. If I recall, they cheated a bit- doing extra chanting so they might cross quickly. I do think they swept ahead of them.
Yes Nasty- you're heroic.

munk
 
I was thinking about you this evening, Ferrous. I thought ferrous see's Iraq both ways, he see's gun control both ways, he doesn't want to weigh George W Carver against George Washington. And I thought; "He doesn't want to offend any one."

Then I remembered once in my life when I was real smart, (this actually happened, people, true story) and everything I said offended many because they just didn't know as much. I was 10 or 13. I learned to be very careful in what I said. Ferrous is so smart and educated he probably has adopted some of this strategy. What else would you do if you were ferrous and knew as much science, art and history?
I haven't been that smart for years, no longer worry about it, and probably offend and say much more than I should.

I could be tempted to say ignorance is bliss, but I'm much too restless and unsatisfied.


munk
 
(Peeps? Remember what I said about the Cantina? You just never know what is going to be here when you open the door. Amazing place.)



It sure is! I'm learning about a lot more than khukuris and lovin' every minute of it! :)

Btw, I think I'm safe in being a Steelers fan ~ much less controversial than some of the others mentioned, no? ;)
 
Peeps said:
Btw, I think I'm safe in being a Steelers fan ~ much less controversial than some of the others mentioned, no? ;)
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Probably, but unless I'm mistaken about the origin of the name PITA members don't like the Packers.
 
Weirder by the minute.

Wait.

With Uncle Bill on a drop in now and then basis, the blame for that would go to me... Nah! :p
 
Nope, you are correct, Firkin. But then, NDNs wouldn't have cared for one of the early alternatives.

However, even PETA wouldn't attempt to stop Wisconsin folks from eating meat...well, not and survive. :D I think it's the only community-owned NFL team in the various leagues.

Kis

The third-oldest team in pro football got its name from a World War I era company whose involvement with the team was over almost before it began. According to the Packers official site, the Green Bay Press-Gazette, and numerous fan sites, the team was named for the Indian Packing Company in 1919. This company happened to employ Earl "Curly" Lambeau, one of the founding athletes of the team, who would later become the team's head coach. In 1965, the team's stadium was also renamed to honor Lambeau.
Lambeau convinced his boss Frank Peck to put up money for the fledgling team's jerseys and allow the team to use the company's athletic field for practices. Initially, the team was called "the Indians," after the Indian Packing Company. But by the end of its first season, the Green Bay press was calling the team "the Packers," and the name stuck. In 1921, the Acme Packing Company obtained a franchise for the team from the American Professional Football Association (renamed the National Football League in 1922). Now two packing companies had financially backed the local team, making the name apt indeed.

There was a short-lived campaign to change the name in September of 1922 when the Green Bay Football Club was incorporated as the team's new backers. The name "Big Bay Blues" was suggested, perhaps because the team's colors were blue and gold at the time. But it seems the fans liked "the Packers" name best. In 1933, when the team financially reorganized yet again, the new corporation was named the Green Bay Packers, Inc., which settled the name issue for good, and green uniforms were introduced in 1950.
 
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