OT, personal matter, had the stuffing knocked out

Originally posted by Stephen Hamilton
Munk - We've all been humiliated before, some of us actually had it coming, but not you, not this time. One more thing. Your humour, your occasional wisdom and your presence in this forum are part of what makes it so good. You are worth reading, you are esteemed. Don't disappear on us.

You are not alone.

Stephen
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Thanks for saying that for us Stephen. This morning I thought of saying that, making sure munk knew he was " esteemed ", because that is what he is on this forum.

I'm also glad you brought up that this guy nearly robbed his family of so much. He still may. I've been waiting and hoping for munk to come back up and find out how much he is esteemed by us. It would not surprise me were he to consider suicide as a way out. Not the munk we have known but the hidden hurting one inside.

He just plain ought to listen when he's told that the ones who get better faster after situations like this are the ones who seek professional help. The ones who try to go it on their own are the crazy ones.

Listen up munk, we're here for you, just ask for help and we'll be honored to do so. Because of who you are. But we don't want to be pushy.
 
Originally posted by Rusty
Listen up munk, we're here for you, just ask for help and we'll be honored to do so. Because of who you are. But we don't want to be pushy.
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I second that.
 
The other part which shamed me was I'd lost my sobriety again, on and off for a few months, afer 16.5 years of being straight. This is whyI had such poor judgement. In my stupid child like way I though I could reach this guy. When he shoved past me I grabbed his shoulders to stop him, "please, we can talk", when he started to attack I apparently said somehing like: C'mon, do I have to kick you in the head to get you to see about talking?" I didn't mean it like he took it in his paranoia. He apprently struck me with a water glass which is what knocked me down and nearly out. He then used the glass to try and penetrate my skull.

For a man as hatefilled and paranoid as he, my actions were attack. The only legal stand I have on is me being totally incapacited and he continueing. That is against the law.

When YOu ae hurt, you tend to wear your feelings on your sleeve, and blame yourself for what happened. That is whay I am doing.

I wish for once in my life I could act totally blameless. But I usually nake some sort of mistakes. Did they deserve this? What is funny is what I wanted t tell him, that I wouln't fight the mining tailing on his land and if he cared that much about them I would haul real gravel from longer away.

I wish I was a saint. I wish I said the right thing. In my years in mental health there is a 'check' you pull on someone about to go too far, You grab his shoulders and give him a shake and try to snap him out of it. Well, I blew that.

All of you who have written have touched me very much. Some of you have been very worried abou the dangerousness of this guy and I will not forget that. I will be armed to protect my family- but only draw it if life is at risk.
IN billings my Lawyer says this man would now be in jail for aggravatied felony assualt. Up here in Little Sheepit county- I doubt. I screw myself always by telling the truth. But I won't change that.

Best regards to worthy friends,
(munk)
 
The humilation, the hurt, the failure...yes, that hurts my soul the most.


munk
 
Originally posted by Rusty
It would not surprise me were he to consider suicide as a way out. Not the munk we have known but the hidden hurting one inside.
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Suicide is a coward's way out. Munk won't do that. I don't know him well but I can't believe he would even consider it. Better to blow the fat bast#rd away first.

Hang in there, munk. And get even.
 
Good stuff, Rusty, and many thanks.

"Everything bad that ever happened to me in my life happened when I was drinking."

Younger brother Fred Martino in a late night discussion about mistakes we make in life -- perhaps ten years ago.

The truth does indeed set you free and my admiration quotient for you, Munk, just went up because you had the guts to tell it.

One last question: Were you drinking and carrying a khukuri?
 
Originally posted by munk
... when he started to attack I apparently said somehing like: C'mon, do I have to kick you in the head to get you to see about talking?" I didn't mean it like he took it in his paranoia. He apprently struck me with a water glass which is what knocked me down and nearly out. He then used the glass to try and penetrate my skull.

The only legal stand I have on is me being totally incapacited and he continueing. That is against the law.

(munk)
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Munk, there is something called disparity of force. This guy had 200lbs on you, you were unarmed (assuming you didn't have a khukhri in your hand). Your comment DID NOT justify his attack. It would be akin to a teenager almost killing an 8 year-old for threatening to kick his shins... (no offense intended :) ).

I'm not sure about the LE situation where you are, but the laws apply no matter what part of the state you live in. If the local LE won't handle it, move it up to the States Attorney's Office, Division of Criminal Investigation, or State Police. Same thing with a Civil case... I still you'll get justice eventually.


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Maybe we should move the Convention to Munk's place. We could justify it as a community beautification project... like adopting a highway! Then we could hang a sign outside of Munk's place... "This area cleared of human waste by the HI Forumites!"

Sorry... I'm a bit frustrated.

Alan
 
yes munk i read your post,and i can honestly say hold your head up proud, you have nothing to be ashamed of, you were trying to pacify a silly situation,and thought to have words with someone who obviously only knows hate and violence.you were sucker punched and then beaten on,dont worry so much about it you did everything that was right,and were acting with no malice.a mans ability to fight is not a judge of a man, his actions are.you prove you are twice nay,twenty times the man he is,you say you need the lord,no i dont think so,the lord helps those who help themselves munk.forgive the guy dont let his hate and stupidity rule your life. ignore him and get on with your life mate.
you now know to be wary of this madman. so forgive, but dont forget.
and hopefully there will never be a next time.but if there is you will be prepared.show this madman by your actions you are not afraid carry on your life as normal,you live in your community,continue the way you have previosly.your nieghbours will see who is the man,you munk.so bless you mate, you have nothing to fear except fear itself.
regards from ken a kindred soul :)
ps munk dont carry a gun munk:( get yourself a can of very hot pepper mace. that will take care of most defence situations,to carry a gun invites needless danger,to all. sincerely kendo
 
munk - I'll feel free to judge your sobriety when I have another 4&1/2 more years clean and sober under my belt.

As to behaving like an retarded jackass when you are sober - now that's a different matter and there are plenty of us around who can speak with authority on that subject. :p
 
munk, you've been nothing but a good guy, and as you said, this guy is hateful and a waste of a human shell. He'll get his someday, all things come around. For what he did, and for the type of person he is, watch yourself, and your family. You don't have to forgive him (and you shouldn't), but you don't have to dwell much on whether or not you should be ashamed of anything either. If anything, find a good legal way to "even it". Some touchy feely types say it's not good to harbor grudges, but then some things can never be forgiven so easy.

If he threatens your life again, all be damned, you have the right to live for your family, and the chance to see them the next day. If you can carry legally for self defense, use a 1911 .45. It's a classic, just like khukuri's.

Anyway, that's my .02, I hope you recover well in every way, and try and get this bastard's balls the good and legal way.
 
I had company all afternoon so I couldn't get back to you. From the length of this thread that I just finished reading, most of which had very good advise. I felt that I wanted to reenforce what many of the forum have said. We are here if youneed further assistance, advise, encouragement, what ever. I just wish that I was only down the road a mile or so but, that not being the case watch your backsides. Like I told you. This guy belongs in captivity of some kind. He is not liked by any of your neighbors. That tells me that he has probably done some misdeeds to other of your neighbors. Along with all the other good things you have been told. Check with those people and find out why they want nothing to do with this guy. One more thing. Go back to the dry side of life. You can't fight this kind of problem from the bottom of a bottle. OK?

Hang in there friend, and stay alert. Like most have said do something. to do nothing is telling this Jerk that he can get away with what ever he wants to do to you. At least contact the LEO's.
We are all on your side and don't you forget it.
 
Munk, I'm glad to see that your still talking things out with us. Your words make me think you are blaming yourself too much. It is a natural reaction. But blaming yourself too much will distort your judgement.

I'm glad you are talking to a lawyer. He may not be the right one and you should consider another one if he is not. But at least you are talking to one.

Any and all of your thoughts about yourself now are irrelevant. Ok, maybe your were drinking. Ok, maybe you said something to him. Ok, maybe you were even carrying a khuk. It's up to the LE to judge whether and how far they will take their criminal case. Even if they decide to do nothing. You need the documentation, witness statements, everything for your next "arrow".

The civil suit is between people. If your current lawyer isn't a personal injury attack dog (which is highly likely) ask him to reccomend someone who is. The lawyers have their own networks to find out who is good. And your lawyer will be working with the sharp one anyway (the sharp lawyer will also owe your lawyer a favor which, I would guess in Montana's legal world, is pretty good for your lawyer). Anyway, it gets down to a jury, or a judge, or two lawyers negotiating. Ane they look to principles of humanity which LE can't. So drinking, words, even carrying a khuk . . . they are all balanced against reality of you and the reality of your attacker. And the irony is that justice is often better served by civil suits rather than LE. Look at OJ Simpson. LE missed, but the civil suits hit.

You are the hardest judge of yourself. But now you don't have the right nor the luxury of self-judgement because you have family. Take the steps you should take . . . all of them . . . and let the world judge. You will probably find that the world thinks you are a good man with normal human faults . . . and that you have been wronged. As an early taste, everyone in this forum thinks so.
 
Wealth and weal be with you. Litigate for Assault. Get a restraining order. Heal. I think that three pages of posts pretty much says it fer me.

One additional thing: I do know a symbol to use to turn back any evil sendings. All you have to do is put this sign on something that faces the offending party. Used it with similar (yet less physical) confict with neighbors, a business. It has done the trick. I can even go into the store now and they treat me like an old friend or something! Simply amazing. May help.
ksauers@indy.rr.com

Keith
 
Hi Munk,

Sorry you got beat up, man, but the guy was heavy and there's not much you could have done about that. Everybody gets the crap kicked out of them. So now you know you're not Superman: so fakking what? You live, you learn. Better to know you are mortal.

I agree to litigate to make sure he never does it to anyone again. This is not revenge; it is justifiably insuring your own family's safety, and that of everyone he could hurt in coming years. The State should prosecute on your behalf. There is no excuse for what he did. The second you were on the ground he should have stopped, but he didn't and instead set about looking for a way to kill you. To me that is attempted murder and not self-defence. He should be in jail.

Oh yeah, "I was drunk and might have said something." doesn't excuse the prick. Not one iota.

I consider you a kindred soul and you have my respect. If you want to talk about God and spirituality, I am more than willing to engage in discussion about this with you. I have been Christian since birth, and have lately been asking a lot of hard questions of me and my creator, so I could share my experience in this part of the spectrum. Your obviously high intellectual calibre could be good for both of us. Also, there are lots of little control-freak cults out there that would be glad to add you to their numbers, but I believe that seeking out God's face is ultimately a much more personal endeavour.

I will say it once again: you have my respect. Here's to you healing up. Both your head and your soul.

Phil

philg@telusplanet.net anytime.
 
Munk, I am praying for you. May God heal your body, mind and soul and guide your actions.
 
I occasionally lurk on this forum but this is my first post. From real experience and training in combat regularly I have learned that when you're in a violent encounter, "You don't fight dirty, you do things that may dirty look good." Head over to the PracTac forum for info on how to be that type of bastard. Hell, you can e-mail me if you want.

Even the best have taken their lumps. At least you're your injuries will heal. Some people aren't that lucky. A bruised ego is healed when you're more confident/competent in your abilities/skill.

Even if it happens again, make sure you don't go quietly.
 
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Sorry to weigh in so late on this, but my inlaws have kept me busy as hell this weekend. As I type I'm getting ready to head out the door. But I will be back later to write more on this important thread. For now I just want to say how sorry I am Munk, and I don't think you deserved what you got by any means! I haven't had a chance to read this whole thread, but I do agree with what Stephen said above.

DOn't beat yourself up about the drinking--just remember you're only a drunk when you drink. You can stop today and tomorrow you're sober. Guilt is only a tool that your mind uses to excuse drinking. Guilt does no good unless it keeps you from drinking and I've never really seen it be a good motivator for much of anything long term. YOu have nothing to be ashamed about, and IMHO keeping track of length of time sober is okay, but it makes it that much worse if you slip. If you quit tomorrow or next week you don't have to reset the clock to zero if you ask me.

Hang in there Munk...More to come later.
 
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