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Does Truth from a fools mouth have less meaning?
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OT: Philosophy
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If I got an answer right, Shane, all you need to say is that I got an answer right and leave it at that. 
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Truth from a fool's mouth is just as valid as truth from a man that is wise. The only difference that the wise man knows to remove his foot from his mouth before he speaks.
Jake
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Sometimes..truth is delivered in such a way to be glorious, and other times devastating.
If I can't listen to the messenger because of my problems or ego- then it's my problem or ego, and truth aint getting in. I don't always like it, but truth has to get in for the munk system to work. So generally, I listen to the truth wherever it is to be found.
munk
If I can't listen to the messenger because of my problems or ego- then it's my problem or ego, and truth aint getting in. I don't always like it, but truth has to get in for the munk system to work. So generally, I listen to the truth wherever it is to be found.
munk
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shane justice said:
No. A statement of truth or a valid point is no less valid coming from a fool, than if the fool read aloud the writings of a wise person.
Two plus two equals four. Is no less true if I don't understand it but say it aloud.
As my dentist once said, "The tooth is the tooth".
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awww, Bruise, I was so hoping you'd make a Mr. T joke.
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It is my belief that we all are born fools and some become less foolish . As in the definition of ignorance, to be a fool has taken on new meaning . To think that truth is less from one man than another is to think less of one man than another . To place yourself above another is to place yourself below them .
Do you think yourself beneath another ?
Do you think yourself beneath another ?
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Steely_Gunz said:
Mr. T had a "truth" line? I don't remember any. Oooo I pity da foo... I pity da foo...
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Thanks for your thoughts guys.
Fools and Truth. Sounds like the name of a really good album doesn't it.
Guess there is no such thing as albums anymore.
Shane
Fools and Truth. Sounds like the name of a really good album doesn't it.
Guess there is no such thing as albums anymore.
Shane
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Yay, pure opinion!
It's either a truth or a falsehood. So any idiot can tell a truth. It's just unlikely they'll be able to convey or recognize a complex truth.
Thinking about this made me think of something else...
Lie in the context of 'to deliberately make an untrue statement presented as a truth' has no single word antonym in common, modern English that I can think of or find in a quick search.
Kind of odd we have truth (and veracity, verity, verisimilitude) and falsehood ( and falsity, prevarication, fib, and a ton more) but there is no one word to say 'tell the truth' though we can say lie (and equivocate, fib, palter, prevaricate).
The question becomes...did English develop at a time that honesty was the assumed norm and to speak was considered to be 'telling the truth' or did the language evolve to meet the needs of the people (and more recently toward simplicity and efficiency) as people telling the truth became much more rare than people talking about the truth and lying and talking about lies?
The eskimos have a hundred ways to say snow and no word for desert. As a people what does it say about us that we have a bunch of words that mean "to tell a lie" but no word that means "to tell the truth"...
Just Rambling since I missed signing for my order and had nothing else planned today...
It's either a truth or a falsehood. So any idiot can tell a truth. It's just unlikely they'll be able to convey or recognize a complex truth.
Thinking about this made me think of something else...
Lie in the context of 'to deliberately make an untrue statement presented as a truth' has no single word antonym in common, modern English that I can think of or find in a quick search.
Kind of odd we have truth (and veracity, verity, verisimilitude) and falsehood ( and falsity, prevarication, fib, and a ton more) but there is no one word to say 'tell the truth' though we can say lie (and equivocate, fib, palter, prevaricate).
The question becomes...did English develop at a time that honesty was the assumed norm and to speak was considered to be 'telling the truth' or did the language evolve to meet the needs of the people (and more recently toward simplicity and efficiency) as people telling the truth became much more rare than people talking about the truth and lying and talking about lies?
The eskimos have a hundred ways to say snow and no word for desert. As a people what does it say about us that we have a bunch of words that mean "to tell a lie" but no word that means "to tell the truth"...
Just Rambling since I missed signing for my order and had nothing else planned today...
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shane justice said:
It depends on what your definition of a fool is.
fool
([font=verdana, sans-serif] P [/font]) Pronunciation Key (f
n.
- One who is deficient in judgment, sense, or understanding.
- One who acts unwisely on a given occasion: I was a fool to have quit my job.
- One who has been tricked or made to appear ridiculous; a dupe: They made a fool of me by pretending I had won.
- Informal. A person with a talent or enthusiasm for a certain activity: a dancing fool; a fool for skiing.
- A member of a royal or noble household who provided entertainment, as with jokes or antics; a jester.
- One who subverts convention or orthodoxy or varies from social conformity in order to reveal spiritual or moral truth: a holy fool.
- A dessert made of stewed or puréed fruit mixed with cream or custard and served cold.
- Archaic. A mentally deficient person; an idiot.
Stupidity = Folks who just plain can't help being the way they are.
Ignorant = Folks who can be taught, unknowing, we are all ignorant about something. Sometimes many somethings.
Foolish = Knowing better but going ahead and doing it anyway.
Some of us have been a fool at least once and some of us have been foolish more times than we'd like to count.
Teenage boys and Rednecks often fit the role of a fool.
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It seems like there are big "T" truths..and there are little "t" truths. Little "t" truths are easy,personal realizations like, " I need to workout." Or "I believe in UFO's".
But then there are the Big "T's" The heavy ones that when you hear them it's like a bell tone in your head, they leave you a bit unnerved, maybe give you a case of the "willies", because you cannot deny them.
That was the kind of "Truth" I was talking about. They do not depend on perception or validity, they just are. (somebody said that.)
John's idea of "messengers" seems right to me. All of us deliver messages all the time. Who knows where they come from? They just do. How many times have you been talking to somebody and you say just the right thing. You can feel it. You make a difference in another person's life, and you wonder "Where the hell did that came from?" And your left sort of goose bumpy.
But does the messenger matter when a big "T" is delivered?
OK, Bruise...you have been waiting all this time...go ahead with the Big Mr. T, Little Mr. T Joke...
There is a personal story involved here that lead me to ask this question.
BuUt you guys have surpised me with your answers.
Some wise guy said, "The question being asked, the answer becomes obvious."
There it is.
Shane
Thanks guys.
But then there are the Big "T's" The heavy ones that when you hear them it's like a bell tone in your head, they leave you a bit unnerved, maybe give you a case of the "willies", because you cannot deny them.
That was the kind of "Truth" I was talking about. They do not depend on perception or validity, they just are. (somebody said that.)
John's idea of "messengers" seems right to me. All of us deliver messages all the time. Who knows where they come from? They just do. How many times have you been talking to somebody and you say just the right thing. You can feel it. You make a difference in another person's life, and you wonder "Where the hell did that came from?" And your left sort of goose bumpy.
But does the messenger matter when a big "T" is delivered?
OK, Bruise...you have been waiting all this time...go ahead with the Big Mr. T, Little Mr. T Joke...
There is a personal story involved here that lead me to ask this question.
BuUt you guys have surpised me with your answers.
Some wise guy said, "The question being asked, the answer becomes obvious."
There it is.
Shane
Thanks guys.
There was a well known Bowie knife maker who was also controversial and angered many people. Some thought him as As- ----. Yet his works are considered masterpieces. If the question posed by this thread is sincere, then I am to ask if the blades are then also As-- ---'s?
It is said John Steinbeck's neighbors hated him for making fools out of them in his stories. I don't know if this is true, but it is true of many 'artists' that they have lived less than exemplary lives. So too politicians- we see they and Rock Stars, Actors and many more think nothing of turning in yesterday's vehicle for a new model off the showroom shelf, to the bitter complaint of the women who married them young and suffered with them until their success. Even Bike riders are not exempt from unseemly behavior.
The best men I ever knew in this life have all been bitter fools more than once in those lives, and many of these men are rednecks, as Yvsa mentioned. I love Rednecks, because the real item is not the bufoon, but the guy who stops his truck in a rain storm to tow you out of a ditch even if he recogizes you as a Democrat.
The "Fool" for me carries with it much personal depth, for not only being one in practise too often, it has also has been mine to take risks with, to reach out, to help. At some of these occasions people have thought of me, bless them, as being 'wise'. I believe wisdom is from God. When I was young I thought talent my own, and selfishly hoarded it. In middle years now it is plain I was only a basket whereby much good bread and cheese had been stowed by the Maker.
In our society we judge, and we condemn. We find satisfaction in our Age gone mad, where right is so often blurred, and various levels of 'wrong' get to parade alongside as if equal or even superior. In this context, we are often all the more quick, not less so as you might think, to cast easy judgement upon our fellows.
There is nothing pretty about it. It stinks and is rotten to the core. There are some Divine Fools, there are many more malicious ones, and many who carry their water unknowingly.
Jesus was big on treating others as you would have them treat you.
The days where I carelessly wondered about 'fool's and 'devil's are gone.
I look at everyone as flawed, and divine, and trying.
I think evil physical acts should be punished. But If I am lucky enough to hear a "Big T" Truth out of one formerly percieved to be less than my own modest station, I listen and rejoice.
The Sparrow sings a little song, but it is great, and many, and good to know is there.
munk
It is said John Steinbeck's neighbors hated him for making fools out of them in his stories. I don't know if this is true, but it is true of many 'artists' that they have lived less than exemplary lives. So too politicians- we see they and Rock Stars, Actors and many more think nothing of turning in yesterday's vehicle for a new model off the showroom shelf, to the bitter complaint of the women who married them young and suffered with them until their success. Even Bike riders are not exempt from unseemly behavior.
The best men I ever knew in this life have all been bitter fools more than once in those lives, and many of these men are rednecks, as Yvsa mentioned. I love Rednecks, because the real item is not the bufoon, but the guy who stops his truck in a rain storm to tow you out of a ditch even if he recogizes you as a Democrat.
The "Fool" for me carries with it much personal depth, for not only being one in practise too often, it has also has been mine to take risks with, to reach out, to help. At some of these occasions people have thought of me, bless them, as being 'wise'. I believe wisdom is from God. When I was young I thought talent my own, and selfishly hoarded it. In middle years now it is plain I was only a basket whereby much good bread and cheese had been stowed by the Maker.
In our society we judge, and we condemn. We find satisfaction in our Age gone mad, where right is so often blurred, and various levels of 'wrong' get to parade alongside as if equal or even superior. In this context, we are often all the more quick, not less so as you might think, to cast easy judgement upon our fellows.
There is nothing pretty about it. It stinks and is rotten to the core. There are some Divine Fools, there are many more malicious ones, and many who carry their water unknowingly.
Jesus was big on treating others as you would have them treat you.
The days where I carelessly wondered about 'fool's and 'devil's are gone.
I look at everyone as flawed, and divine, and trying.
I think evil physical acts should be punished. But If I am lucky enough to hear a "Big T" Truth out of one formerly percieved to be less than my own modest station, I listen and rejoice.
The Sparrow sings a little song, but it is great, and many, and good to know is there.
munk
