OT: What firearms need no permit?

ok, then yeah, $5 SBS/AOW stamp for the sawed off

Believe the few flamethrowers around are registered as Destructive devices, which Ii'm pretty sure is a full $200 NFA tax stamp.

NRA(though Ihave problems with them) has good information on state firearm laws in their ILA section. Packing.org tends to juts have info on concealed carry laws. http://subguns.biggerhammer.net is about the best message board for info on Full auto firearms.
 
mPisi,

I'm in Texas too; would my matchlock/carbine replica here fall under the long-gun category? :confused:

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Basically, under Federal ( but not necessarily state ) rules, any gun that can be proved to have been made before 1898 is an antique, not considered a firearm.

My dad once had a mint Mauser 71/84 that fired 43 Mauser cartrides then avilable from Dominion/CIL ( ? ) in Canada. Originally a black powder cartridge but now loaded with very ligbt smokeless loads. The /84 version indicated a repeating rifle, loaded from an open bolt and pushed down into a tubular magazine underneath the barrel. Held around 9 or 10 rounds.

Once it is designated antique, it remains an antique even it you fit it out with plastic stock, rechamber or rebarrel, etc. If the size was right, I could have rebored it to 45/70, ( or even a light loaded 450 Marlin ) and it would still not be "on the books" as a firearm.

See the explanation at the Empire arms site regarding pre-98 or curio and relic guns.

Empire Arms
 
Do I have to register my old microwave oven? It's missing the door and probably can be classified as a "death ray".
 
Mrostov, nothing invokes fear like HANDLING a flame thrower.

Ruel, that's one sweet matchlock!:D Is it a snaplock and what else have you done?
 
Thanks for the extra info, gentlemen. ;)

Red, I've actually just placed that gun on order, so I haven't gotten it yet. I'm still new to guns; it's only my second (my first was an antique North African flintlock pistol). All I know is that it's a black powder replica of a Japanese style matchlock carbine. Would you recommend I do anything in particular to it?
 
Get yourself a spaghetti sixgun(Italian repro of colt or remington cap and ball revolver)in .44 cal. They are cheap! Usually way less than $200. Then send off for an 'R&D' or 'Kirst Konverter' conversion cylinder. This is a very well made .45 Colt cylinder that can be fitted to your old revolver with no smithing. Most people that have them claim they are the most accurate handgun they own. There is no background check or waiting period for this cylinder. The ATF doesn't have issue with them because it's not a permanent change to the firearm. You could get into serious trouble if you sold the 'new' gun without the origional percussion cylinder. There are a bunch of serious cowboy reenactors that have great websites dedicated to shadetree gunsmithing cap and ball repro's. It all seems pretty basic and could be quite a productive way to spend time in the shop.
Good luck,
Sutcliffe
 
Hi Dan,
Go to this site and download the application,Send it along with a check for $30.00 to the ATF and they will issue you a Class 3 Curio and Relics Collectors License.
http://www.cruffler.com/becomingcruffler.html

Check here for some of the guns available for purchase with your new C&R license.
http://www.aimsurplus.com/

When you receive your C&R License, send these folks a copy and get on their dealers list and start ordering.
http://www.centuryarms.com/

The C&R rifles will come to your door via UPS and your bank account will be depleted within a few days-Guaranteed! The HI virus is like a sniffle compared to the C&R virus.

The Yugoslavian 8mm M-48 Mausers are dirt cheap and are real tack drivers( very accurate shooters).
 
I will give ya summary on this matter.
US made firearms law in 1898, so every gun made before that year is grand-fathered, so you can buy & own without any paperwork.
now is best part. what's the definition of manufacturing date of gun?
traditionally in US, it is the date receiver made, in Europe it is the date of barrel. why it is important?
because in Europe, it was an acceptable practice just swap out barrel to recycle old guns, by their standards that will make new gun, in US standards it is still old guns.
So.... you can still find perfect working condition rifle(mostly from russia or finland) you can buy without paperwork because receiver was made before 1898 but barrel and other parts are quite new.
 
Ruel, talk about jumping in with both feet. I'll let some of the others answer practical questions, my intrest is historic.
I thought that was a Japanese style, is it fireable, was it made for competitions?

I just picked up HIKV so getting firearms is another expensive hobby I don't need.
 
Pen,

Be very careful when someone tells you that you don't need paperwork. I'm definitely not a gun-control advocate, but just want you to stay out of trouble.

That being said, it sure seems that folks from the East Coast seem to think a permit is required for everything. What's up with that? Most places that I've lived, buying a firearm was pretty much like buying a hammer.... :D :D
 
Be wary of a C&R ( 03 ) FFL.

If you have an FFL of any kind they can enter without a warrant and search your place. That's part of holding an FFL.

As far as no gunsmithing conversion to 44 Colt or to 45 Colt:

1) You can go to 44 Colt and it'll fire. But it's undersize for the barrel.

2) You can order a cylinder replacement in 45 Colt and it'll be right for the 1858 Remington replicas. But it'll only hold 5 cartridges.

3) the kit I saw requires a cut in the right side of the recoil shield where the loading gate is on the 1873 Colt SAA. It's done with files and a dremel by you, so it is a no gunsmith job. You just have to do a decent job on it.
 
y'all's posts are still waaaaaaaayyyyy...


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* Red,

It's made as a functioning gun, though for period re-enactors instead of competitive shooting. I found it at Loyalist Arms among various other replica guns. loyalistarms.freeservers.com

Like you, and like my attitude toward knives, I'm far more interested in the old stuff. Since I find myself more and more at ethnic events -- and more and more often dressing for those events -- one can hardly be more dramatic than showing up properly (and heavily) armed in traditional style. I'm all about the drama! ;)

* Question for the rest of you:

What if a bayonet is stuck to your pre-1898 long gun? Is it still freely legal? We may have found a use for those khukuri bayonets after all...:cool:
 
Pendentive: ask some of your friends into firearms if they have the Guns & Ammo 2003 Annual ( Revised Version ). In that Annual on page 52 is an article on the Kirst Conversion of the 1858 Remington. Matter of fact, Converting the 1858 Remington" is on the very bottom of the cover.

For more info on the Kirst Conversion, got to: River Junction Trade Co.

If you can work on a knife, you can do this.
 
Originally posted by Rusty
Pendentive: ask some of your friends into firearms if they have the Guns & Ammo 2003 Annual...
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You guys are my friends into firearms...

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Originally posted by pendentive
You guys are my friends into firearms...

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Oh man..... You may be in trouble then. :D

What would like to pick up?
When?

Maryland isn't the friendliest state in the union....
But I'm sure we can walk you through the rest.

Brian

Oh.... How about a reproduction oldie? May be easier to get and license/no license. Definately cheaper. I'm more into milsurp than blackpowder tho.
 
Originally posted by Rusty
Be wary of a C&R ( 03 ) FFL.

If you have an FFL of any kind they can enter without a warrant and search your place. That's part of holding an FFL.
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Interesting catch to the Fedearl Firearms License. Any idea who "THEY" are? The ATF? FBI? CIA? Nosey Local Sherriff? Any idea how far reaching - personal property? Business property or place of employment? Vehicles? Your person walking down the street?


Lots of interesting stuff. I get the impression that gun laws are more well defined than knife laws. Knives seem to get lumped into "dangerous and deadly weapons" which gets confusing. A 10" chef's knife isn't a weapon but a stapler is, depending on circumstances.
 
The dreaded THEY are the BATF. They have a standing right to search your premesis. You have to send a letter to your local sherrif/Cheif LEO stating you are collecting firearms. Personally, I haven't got a Class 3 FFL. I ain't got around to it yet.

Brian
 
and your interest as I understand it, you may well be better off getting a reproduction kit, and hand-crafting a black powder rifle yourself. There will be ample challenges without the need to reconstruct old metal. And the price will be much lower...well, SOME lower.

I'm picturing a Kentucky Flintlock in ?curly?/birdseye? maple, polished to a sheen.

If you decide to ever shoot it, you are a big enough guy to handle that length barrel fairly easily.

The journey is the joy.
 
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