Our *Handmade Knife* world has changed...

In regards to forums I think they still hold a value but it isn't what it was before forums were the social media in a sense. I think though that forums tend to promote a great sense of community and a more organized system for viewing and finding information so their roll has shift I think to be suited better for the people who are more interested in a given niche than others. Design and administration of forums are also a major factor in the health and longevity of the forum so as to retain users and foster growth of new users. I certainly feel the BF has done one of the best jobs at the administration side and I don't have any complaints or much advise for changes/improvements at the moment to function or design. The last trick with forums staying alive and relevant is content and we the users are the source for this content and it is our job to contribute to the content of the forum to further aid in user retention and growth which again I believe BF has managed to capture a great user base for the continuation of its place and purpose..

 

The pool has definitely been watered down because every thinks they are a “knife maker” (myself included, I’ve made about 20). As always the cream rises to the top.

The massive influx of Scrapmascus coming in from whoknowswhereistan and clones are huge downsides to the increase in popularity if the knife world.

With so many new buyers and sellers out there it would seem to be a wash but I imagine many makers that were established before the FIF era are struggling with sales. There are many makers who have come up in the FIF era are producing some high quality and highly sought after blades.

As to forums I love the comradery and knowledge shared here, along with the show and tell aspect and sales. I’ve seen several gun forums with great information see a sudden influx of new members who seem to take over and drive out the old guard then eventually the whole devolves into a classified add and there is little to no knowledge or discussion. I can only hope that does not happen here.

 

Coop,

FIF has indeed had a big impact on the knife world but I'm not sure all of it has been positive. The program has reached a lot of viewers but only a relatively small percentage of those viewers is knowledgeable about how knives are really made. It is a game show. There is no time for careful consideration of design, geometry, proper forging technique, carefully controlled heat treating and tempering stages, materials choices, fit and finish, testing, presentation and a host of other concerns. Much of this is glossed over or eliminated in the interest of time and editing to make sure it is entertaining. When I talk with people about my craft they always say "you should go on that show, what's it called?". Then I try to explain to them what I do is a little more involved than that. The show is bubble gum and has little nutritious value but it is fun to watch. So it gets a lot of new makers interested in trying the craft, which is great. But now there are thousands of more people looking for anvils which drives anvil prices through the roof and chipped out, sway backed anvils with half the face missing are "good condition". Ok, sure.

Social media has been mostly positive. Facebook gets the occasional "like" but Instagram has been great. For people who just want quick updates from the folks they follow it is very convenient. A quick eye candy shot of a finished piece or some progress shots of a build keeps viewers involved and keeps you in mind. And for buyers, it gives them an early jump on a piece that will be available soon. But there are downsides too. I have seen my knives advertised on IG and Etsy which are totally fraudulent. Buyer beware. The whole ADD, short attention span, instant gratification thing is just a part of our disposable society now. Since the development of plastics and the end of WWll with the flood of cheap products coming in from Japan it has been quicker and easier to just replace something rather than fix it or modify it. We still see that mindset today in all areas of our lives; marriages, politics, jobs, you name it. So I think people just don't have the will or patience to engage in a dialog. That takes time, thought, manners, consideration of another's perspective and sometimes it takes a thick skin. And people are so easily offended these days. When I began visiting BF I was a new maker (still am). I wanted to hear what the older guys had to say. The guys who had been doing this for decades were exchanging perspectives and ideas, telling stories, and I was the fly on the wall trying to learn. Now most of those folks have lost patience with the disrespect, the inexperienced opining, personal attacks etc. and gone away. So we are left with a lot of newer makers and mid level guys that just want to show their work.

I have heard it said that print is dead. I hope not. I still enjoy books and magazines. There is something special about books. And being published in print format means something. It means some person or committee has considered and judged your work as worthy of inclusion in their publication. These days almost anyone with the slightest computer savvy can post pictures on a variety of social media platforms or websites, or to even build your own website. There is little culling or process of elimination, debate, considering the relevance to an accompanying topic or article, discerning small differences in the sharpness or composition or lighting of the photographs. Snap a pic, send it to the web. Done. Next.

Thank you Coop for not just taking great photos but for your support of the work you photograph. Your contacts and submissions made on behalf of the makers help to get us published and help to legitimize us in the community. Thank you. I hope print will never die.

 

There are many trying their hand at Knifemaking and forging in particular thanks to FIF.....with that said, I’ve got a 25# Little Giant, gas forge, etc., that’s available....PM for details.

 

Instagram is great, I am able to post works in progress, showcase work and answer questions and my knives typically sell there first even if I put them up for sale here.

Last year the $75 knifemaker fee did not even pay for itself here on Bladeforums.

It is a nice place to chat about knives but it is not a really an asset for sales anymore for me.

 

Hey there Coop, I have found through he years that generally people need to bump into a high end knife maker about three times before a knife is bought. A purchase of a luxury item like a custom knife that costs as much as a good used car isn't done lightly. Especially when things are uncertain like now.

What I mean is, a customer will call me on the phone and say, "I saw you at Blade in Atlanta last year, and you were in the "Blade Annual". Then I Googled "Musk ox horn knives" and your name popped up in something you said on "Blade Forums" so I decided to give you a call."

The moral of the story is, (for us) you have to do everything. We have a FB page, IG, a web site, we submit to magazines with you (Thanks to you, we have been in 35 magazines and all but one of the Blade Annuals since something like 2009), we talk and post on Blade Forums and Knife Dogs, we've been to Blade East every year for 15 years as well as some of the other shows, and we have a retail store.

You have to roll with the times. People will flock to every new media outlet that comes along and you have to go with them. It's almost like a full time job.

 

I think someone should create an ap so that you can post to the ap and it automatically posts on every platform that you have at the same time. It would save us a lot of time.

 

Agree, Mark. Never stop marketing, and don't give up on any venue, this one included. Agree that interaction here has changed some, particularly in this subforum. Agree also that hosting issues are a pain as Jim said. I've been using YouTube a lot more, but have noticed that an imbedded video in this forum gets very little traction. Regardless of the knife, this forum crowd responds better to pictures than to video.

I'm neutral on the $75. On the one hand, it's not much of an investment. On the other hand, we don't get much for it. Knives in the FS forum tend to get a few hundred views, quite a few "likes", and very few comments.

 

There's a very good reason for that.....and Coop touched on it I see but I will reiterate....about 95% of them are VERY poorly done, plain and simple. They're usually blurry, the knife moves too fast to see anything worthwhile (intentional?) and they're usually WAY too long, again while showing nothing special. And all too often, they're accompanied by terrible music and/or equally terrible commentary.

I don't mind a quick little "in progress" video on Instagram but YouTube videos of finished knives that are well done are rarer than clear photos of bigfoot.

I'll take a clear quality picture to study any day, especially a pro shot like Coop's.

 

I try to shoot videos under 1 min, and not to move the knife more than once every 10 seconds or so, and only when I'm talking about different parts of the piece. For me it's about the uploading, like Coop said. I have to put out YouTube content, and Instagram stands alone. I don't have much incentive to download from my phone, then upload to my host, then post a pic over here.

 

I'm assuming you were responding to me, at least in part? Well then, if I may......let's use your recent post here as an example:

In these two videos, the knives aren't super clear, they aren't always in frame, they aren't held still enough to see them clearly and there really isn't anything at all that can be ascertained as far as fine details and fit/finish go. I see things that bring questions to my mind but they can't be answered with those videos.

I totally understand the points made about the time commitment. But its YOUR work you're potentially selling/advertising. How much time and effort an individual spends doing that is up to them.

But 99% of the videos out there cant replace CLEAR detailed pictures. If I was a buyer looking for a knife and a maker wasn't more interested in displaying his/her work than a quick and easy YouTube video, I'd pass and never look back.

 

Once again, I thought I had the next big thing and... guess what, someone already thought of it. Thanks, we'll look into it. It sounds like it's a little too techy for our feeble minds though. I really just want to make knives, but....

 

I like Coop photos, and Paranee videos(preferably with dogs), that's about it. To me a clear photo is best. We've seen countless examples of how a Coop photo showcases a piece so much better.

 

There is a reason many professional makers don't spend a ton of time on forums. Either they get told how they're "doing it wrong" by hobbyists who produce a couple of knives a year and do it for beer money or to further fund their hobby (nothing wrong with that), or get critiqued endlessly by people who have no interest in buying their knives in the first place.

Meanwhile, they are selling everything they make and/or are backordered for some time. As a professional, why would you spend your time that way?

If you want pointed advice on how to improve, go to a maker or makers who you trust and are successful in the business and find out what they know and make adjustments.

Meanwhile, people on forums will argue with a brick wall. There's only so much time in a day, you know. Got to spend it where it counts-making more knives. That's why the forums are there in the first place.

Sam

 

I much prefer your IG videos blowing shit up John

 

IDK, maybe it's me but it seems like bf has gone from THE place to go in the knife world to a sort of beginner's site where you can start out, ask all the questions and become a knife maker. Now that's not necessarily a bad thing. But a far cry from having the top guns in the game here every day.
The other platforms have watered the forums down, and FB about killed a lot of them.
I don't instagram, I find the content too shallow and not involving. Endless scrolling is not for me.
Dearly miss the days of Gaucho's tests & reviews. There were some stellar reviewers before youtube.
Especially liked those that included great photos.
Now we have video reviews with a minute of um's and uh's while the closed box is fiddled around or the knife is endlessly flicked....
Give me a well written paragraph and a good photo or two any day.

The world changes. I've got a great collection with no real holes to fill, and since I'm not monetizing the knife world in any way, I guess I'm content on the outside looking in.