Overboard with Blade Thickness: Your Mod's Ramblings

Capt, I'm sorry but I don't understand how my knife being able to handle abuse makes it do more tasks properly.
You don't understand how a more versatile blade can accomplish more tasks than a less versatile blade?

This whole abuse thing has me puzzled anyway.
If, lets say, chopping coconuts (for example only) is abuse & I make a knife that can chop coconuts as well as baton wood and carve the thanksgiving turkey, is chopping the coconut still abuse?
I mean, if the knife is designed to do it, is it still abuse?
IDK. You see, abuse is a relative term, as you seem to have pointed out. Things you might need to do that could be considered abusive and improper use of a thinner knife might be all in a day's work for a thicker blade.
 
Kev,
I have been following your threads for a long time. I started reading all of the threads on "survival" knives for the last three years. I tought wilderness survival to scouts for 32 years and it never involved anything more than a scout slip joint knife. So here is my amature opinion. (I have bought every thing from a dozen Moras, to 20 BRKT, 20 Busse's, and some knives that are thick enough to serve as splitting wedges. I almost bought your Fox River when you sold it to change to the Wilderness Fox River).
There is no one right answer just as there is no one knife for all uses. One of my friends uses a Busse steel heart that "thick" to open cars, locked houses, chop down trees, etc on a regular daily basis (He is head of the Skamania Co. Emer. Command Center and an active SAR.) He went thru several K-bars, a Camp Tramp and a Ratweiler before he found one tough enough. I recently found my perfect fire starting knife. It is a BRKT Mini-canadian. I carry a Bravo-1 or Wet Recon or RMD for wood gathering. For me the criteria is 1) it must be very sharp and cut, 2) It can not break, 3) It must be small enough that I will carry it. It helps if I like the knife. I also like guards. I live in the Washington Rain Forests, so I like BRKT 12C27, but also like alot of others. I do not like really thin or thick knives. My 0.17" Fox River and 0.187" RMD are close to perfect for 4-6" knives. 10" knives need to be 0.25" +. Why have a big knife with no weight to chop. Ah. Wait a minute, I love my new BRKT Golok and it is 0.187". I have broken three knives. The whole blade thickness question is a function of the steel and it's geometry also.
As my wife says, I talk too much, but its fun.
I truly enjoy repeat threads because new ideas creep in.
Ron Athay

i agree with this.

with todays technology knives are capable of more than before.i think it is sensible to have a both thin and thick knife and use accordingly.

i really think that it is common sense and whether in favor of thick or thin i wonder as to peoples real reasoning when they are avid of only one over the other.

i think it is more of a statement as to their style of woodsmanship.

old school vs. new school

i think that it is sensible to look at the advantages of both with an open mind.

people say "if i need to chop wood i'll take an axe"

and "if i need to pry something i'll take a pry bar"

well what if i could have a pry bar that also has a sharp edge.wouldnt that make it that much more useful.especially if i'm not in the woods camping,i'm in iraq trying to gain access to a door by prying it open one second and cutting nylon straping the next......why carry the weight of two tools when i can take one.

sure i take an axe.i love my 20inch GB but i can split a big log fast and safer with FFFBM or DFLE.

now someone will say i dont know how to use an axe but that isnt true.it is what works for me.just like if i use ceramics instead of a stone it doesn mean i cant sharpen a knife either.

a large fixed blade will also chop as well as a hatchet and also serve as a cutting instrument better plus you have that much more edge in the length.

its common sense their is use for both thick and thin.i think when people get too much one way into the thin vs. thick its honestly not about the blade thickness at all and more about them expressing their social charactaristics and views concerning their wilderness/survival beliefs and views like" i am a better woodsmen because i can survive with a thinner blade",especially when they are experienced outdoors men.

next should be the debate on "thinner" or "thicker" calibers.

real woodsmen dont need a heavier caliber.

not all knives are made for fine delicate work because not all work is fine and delicate.when i need fine and delicate i use a dozier k2 but that knife wouldnt last ten minuets in certain environments where a knife is still needed.

for the last time.it is common sense and anything past that is goes beyond thick vs. thin.not to mention what ever happened to personal preference.

just because one person likes something and it works for them it doesnt make it fact and for them to believe that,no matter their level of experience borders grandiosity.

i'm not on either side of this debate.

i have and use 1/8 and 3/8 blades regularly and i dont worry or care about what others use.i worry and care about works best for me.
 
Needless to say, the blade does not have a grind - true to the originals (no power equipment was used in its making), but was filed to finish after the forging process.

I highly recommend (if you don't already have it) a respected and authoritative book on knives that were used in the early American settlements, colonies, and on the frontier. The books is; "The Knife In Homespun America, by Madison Grant." This book is a great source for accurate information and photos. As a historical re-enactor, this is one of my favorite resource books when documenting my cutlery.
http://store.scurlockpublishing.com/theknifeinhomespunamericabymadisongrant.aspx
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What does Bernard Levine have to say about this book? (am I thinking of a different one?)
 
I too thinned out alot of my 1/4" thick blades by trial & error , I still love a thick blade for Baton and chopping but most of my user blades are 1/8"-3/16" for the most part.
 
You don't understand how a more versatile blade can accomplish more tasks than a less versatile blade?

I do understand about versatile blades.
I'm all for them.
What I don't understand is where the abuse fits in.


IDK. You see, abuse is a relative term, as you seem to have pointed out. Things you might need to do that could be considered abusive and improper use of a thinner knife might be all in a day's work for a thicker blade.

Abuse is a relative term alright.
It is also an abused term.
;)
Right up there with "Plenty of belly for skinning"

Personally speaking, I believe that it is a marketing term more than anything else.

Also it isn't abuse of a thin knife if you don't do it.

As far as things that one might need to do....
One might find another way to do them, or might not need to do them at all.

Like I said there is a lid for every pot, if you like them, carry them.
I'm not here to change any minds.

Bushman, thanx for the answer on the firelighting :D

I must add compliments to all on the civil tone through out this thread.
It is a refreshing change.
 
The shop offers this style of sheath for the BIG and THICK knives. This is my "Stump Jumper" model. The Stump Jumper comes complete with a "sheath leash" made of genuine rawhide. Just simply tie it (bowline knot works best) to your tactical waist belt and you are ready for any adventure in the woods without the hip and back pain associated with too much weight on one side (yep, they pull real nice). Note: The mag wheels come standard with the Stump Jumper. White walls are extra. The wheels are guaranteed for 36,000 miles or 600 stumps. I now offer a combo "Sidecar Stump Jumper" for those heavy folders, too. Camo finish is another option if ya like that leash and sheath to blend in for those tactical moments. Can't figure out why I don't sell more of these. :confused:;)
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If you don't me, you might think I lack any knife excitement in my collection since I strongly prefer thinner, smaller blades in my work and play. Not so! I actually enjoy a variety of sizes in my collection (thick, thin, long and short). So, I NEVER judge a man by the knife he owns or carries. If I did, I would be the first idiot on my list. ;)

Old photo (digital cameras just invented). The HUGE knife in the photo (I love this one) just dwarfs my 5-1/2" #4 Grohmann blade. The large knife has a 10" long blade forged of 5160, 2-1/2" wide, 3/8" thick, with a 5-1/2" oak handle. Not talking ounces here. This puppy weighs several pounds. I have never used a heavier, stronger knife that will easily intimidate the finest of knives on the chopping block. No, I don't carry this one but it sure does get the attention around the rendezvous or camp. I just tell 'em, "its a sweet little blade!" Strange looks follow.
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"I thought I had a copy of the Homespun book, but evidently not.
At least not where I can find it...
Found the book. It was mis-shelved with the "real" books." - BRL

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Très amusing.
 
does that sheath come self propelled; maybe the batteries fitting in second firesteel loop? :D:D:D
 
I do understand about versatile blades.
As far as things that one might need to do....
One might find another way to do them, or might not need to do them at all.

Chuck your first aid kit out of your survival pack. You might find another way to patch things up and, hey, you might not need it at all! Sounds kind of funny that way to me too. ;)
 
First aid kit?
Might as well toss the compass and spare transmission as well.
this is bordering on crazy talk.
:D

BTW, I don't have a survival pack :dunno:
 
does that sheath come self propelled; maybe the batteries fitting in second firesteel loop? :D:D:D

Nah, if you want something that moves under its own steam to carry ya Tan Heavy Leg Mistress LM SX-E there's this.

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