PachaasPaisaa=Liar at best (banned), Anand Moses amose001@ucr.edu,amoses007@gmail.com

Anand Moses was articulate, but only slightly contrite in our teleconference. I can't blame him for wanting to see what I posted. And whether he felt it accurately portrayed our teleconference. And I do sincerely hope he feels like I reflected the telecon accurately.

After all, Inspector Kelley told him that things will progress one step at a time:


  1. We agreed he would pay me the $260 and do it via USPS MO, with a two day delivery
  2. Things would progress from there, with a promise of a visit from a Riverside Postal Inspector, with investigations into USPS insurance claim(s) and Paypal transactions/claims.

If I were Anand, I'd be unhappy about my personal choices, and living with the stress of the anticipated interrogation by the Inspector. [edited since people appear to have gotten the wrong impression/message]

I have endeavored to document today's proceedings in an accurate way.
 
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I can't take credit for the last one, really any of them. The mod's got their radars up. And besides, if I was wrong, then I'm guilty of blowing smoke for no reason.
 
Not at all. Point out any suspicions you have to us privately. If there is no link, it stops there. In this case, Pachaas2 was an obvious return, but also an obvious distraction. I ran a search on him anyway, and came up with 2 more names. Any hint is good, it can lead to other "problems" :)
 
Rob_Angerer said:
I committed to Mr. Anand Moses, aka PachaasPaisaa, that I would meet with a Postal Inspector regarding this issue, and this evening I fulfilled that commitment. Inspector Chuck Kelley was very professional, and quite interested in this issue, not matter the dollar amount.

I presented Inspector Chuck Kelley of the US Postal Inspection Service with:
  1. the empty postal envelope that purportedly contained a Spyderco Military S90V
  2. copies of the emails exchanged between Anand Moses and myself
  3. The Bladeforums.com and GB&U thread addresses.

We called Mr Moses on his cell phone and had a teleconference. The outcome from this is as follows:
  1. Mr Moses is going to 2nd day air a $260 postal money order to me.
  2. Inspector Kelley is going to open an investigation into the issue of the lost Spyderco Military S90V.

Inspector Kelley informed Mr Moses of the following:
  1. Open an investigation into the possibility of mail fraud (felony)
  2. Same investigation will also focus on the Riverside Post Office, including video footage of the self service kiosk.
  3. Said investigation will include Mr Moses Paypal records. By way of review from this thread, Mr Moses closed his Paypal account a couple days after receiving my payment. His stated reason was that "Paypal booted him for all of his high volume transactions." This doesn't stand to reason... Paypal likes volume if you pay their fees, and they don't like volume if you use "Personal" to avoid fees (I know this from personal experience). Why he closed his account, I don't know. The US Postal Inspection Service routinely deals with Paypal and they are quite forthcoming as to transactional records, any disputes, etc. I have a formal dispute filed with Paypal over the Anand Moses issue myself.
  4. Inspector Kelley informed Anand that he would receive a visit from a US Postal Inspector from the Riverside area. Based on the Paypal records, any insurance claims filed based on Mr Moses credit card (logged via the self service kiosk), and based on whether or not I receive the Postal Money order reimbursement from Mr Moses, any potential charges (up to including mail fraud) would be weighed based on various pieces of evidence.

Inspector Kelley informed me that the investigation will also focus on the Riverside Post Office, through the "Office of the Inspector General", a sort of internal affairs type investigation. It could well be that there is someone(s) inside this post office, or anywhere along the transportation and delivery chain, that is in violation of Federal law. If the Riverside Post Office in question is a "hot spot", the investigation will focus there. If not, the investigation will move to the other delivery chain possibilities.

On the phone conference, Mr. Moses:
  • confirmed that he closed his Paypal account
  • confirmed that he lied to me about the prior reimbursement, while Inspector Kelley was on the line
  • confirmed that he had a prior insurance claim regarding a green handled Strider SMF, and that his "customer", Peter Lee of Roland Heights CA, had filed and received an insurance claim for the SMF.

Mr Moses also indicated that he had been banned from Bladeforums, and the initial reason he stated on the phone conference was that he had asked the moderators to intervene on his behalf regarding some of the questions raised in this thread about his involvement with other online sites/services, etc... but I called his bluff, and he then admitted he got banned because he "sassed the mods" via PM.

I do now believe Anand Moses is his real name, and that the Riverside CA address listed shown in this thread (pics of the envelope) is his personal residence.

Inspector Kelley inquired as to his employer, and Mr Moses indicated it was Princeton Review, and educational service office in Riverside.

Somehow, I speculate that we have been (temporarily?) relieved from having Mr Moses amongst our membership on BF since he has been banned. I also speculate that he will continue to frequent JerzeeDevil and other sites, so I've done my piece here to help relieve Mr Moses of his burden with regard to the Bladeforums members.

I continue to expect that my $260 will be returned by Mr Moses by Monday next week, November 22nd. He is now facing the POTENTIAL for additional actions from the US Postal Inspection Service depending on a host of things to be investigated. Either that, or someone wise to knife shipments in a Riverside CA post office will have people hot on their trail.

I hope you found this to be factual as to the status of this issue.

And I look forward to the delivery of my S90V Military from another forum member, and somehow, I think that transaction will proceed as they are intended to proceed... quickly, smoothly, honestly.

  • From some of the BF member comments in this thread, I may have come across as a vindictive SOB to some... if so, to my future customers and as a future customer, I am sorry about that. If that is how you feel, then by all means avoid transacting with me. I think you can tell that I am a straight shooter with a spotless transaction record over the past 6 months, and I don't relish dishonest people in our midst.
  • I do hope that the huge majority of people who have read this drama-lama thread will consider my track record as an indication of my honesty and belief in truth-in-advertising.
  • I hope you have seen, by the response I got when I requested a personal sit-down with a USPS Postal Inspector, that we honest BF members don't have to sit idly by to be played a fool by anyone, and that Mr Moses has been called to account for his actions, namely, of lying to me about reimbursing me for this errant transaction rather than dumping the responsibility on me for the insurance claim.
  • I am pleased overall that the US Postal Inspection Service listened to the issues with this transaction, no matter the dollar amount. And I can assure you, after having to reschedule my meeting several times, Inspector Kelley is a busy guy, and so am I. We MADE the time to get this right.
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mods, you can ban my account after this post, but im not here to try to sell anything, just to put in my .02 on the phone call i received.


What I said was that I closed my paypal account because they limited my account requesting invoices for knives i sold (spyderco manix 2, benchmade 940, emerson cqc7) - which was not possible because either i had thrown the original purchase receipt away, or acquired via trade. I explained this to them, and after about 36-48 hours they lifted the limitations on my account and I closed it. I also told you that they did this because when i started my account, I had what they consider to be "high limit transactions" because i received about 5 payments of 200.00 or more in about 48 hours. I guess this was a problem for them. I'm sure this has happened to other people.

I have never had any other insurance claims from my end or any buyer other than yours, and the other one for the strider smf. Total value of 400.00 + 260.00 = 660.00. I have no claims on my paypal account other than Rob's - which i am assuming will also be resolved once he gets my money order. My paypal account history has also been spotless.

You also mentioned that Inspector Kelley would be looking into my credit card information and paypal history, which is totally fine by me. If you want, I can have my bank pull up every purchase made at the USPS, and you can have him look through each transaction and see if there was an issue, or anything awry. Also, If you want me to scan every last tracking slip i have, i'll gladly do that too. I have nothing to hide.

Furthermore, all I did was honestly answer to the fact that I did, in fact have this happen to me once before (strider SMF) and that I did not file the claim. My buyer did that. I sent him whatever information he needed, including the original purchase receipt for it from plaza cutlery.

Like i've said earlier, you've already bypassed the fact that I am innocent in your mind, so there is nothing I can do. I have my receipts and transactions from other forums where i have never been accused or even considered scamming members for much higher value items. That is all i will say on the matter. I answered my phone when you called, agreed to a refund for the whole 260 AGAIN, and answered all of your questions and Mr. Kelley's honestly. I gave you my home address and place of work when you asked. If i was trying to screw you, do you honestly think i would be so up front with this information?

whats also something to note is that prior to this, I have had NO negative record for transactions. The only time I got bad feedback was for backing out of a deal on a custom.
 
Arrests are not private matters. If that were the case the News outlets of the world would all go belly up. If it was a private matter with the "innocent until proven guilty" theory this thread would be not have been started, correct?

If he is arrested we will all know, but if the investigation concludes with a finding but no arrest will you kindly let us know?

As the victim, and one as active a victim as you, I am certain the Inspector will advise you of his findings and conclusions. It will be up to you as to whether they get posted or not.
In fairness to PP, eventhough he has clearly lied concerning the refund, if it is determined he did in fact ship the knife I sure hope you will post that info..
 
FMAKNut said:
I'm glad this is moving forward. Guy's like Anand discourage knife sales on forums.
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Did I miss something, is the investigation over already? What are they moving forward on the guy or the complaint????

here is where the "Innocent until proven guilty" theory plays a role:D
 
wolfmann601 said:
Did I miss something, is the investigation over already? What are they moving forward on the guy or the complaint????

here is where the "Innocent until proven guilty" theory plays a role:D
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Well I meant on the part of the investigators. Sorry for the confusion.
 
Rob_Angerer said:
Anand Moses was articulate, and slightly contrite in our teleconference. I can't blame him for wanting to see what I posted. And whether he felt it accurately portrayed our teleconference. And I do sincerely hope he feels like I reflected the telecon accurately.

After all, Inspector Kelley told him that things will progress one step at a time:


  1. We agreed he would pay me the $260 and do it via USPS MO, with a two day delivery
  2. Things would progress from there, with a promise of a visit from a Riverside Postal Inspector, with investigations into USPS insurance claim(s) and Paypal transactions/claims.
If I were Anand, I'd be unhappy about my personal choices, and living with the stress of the anticipated interrogation by the Inspector.*deletion here by request I have endeavored to document today's proceedings in an accurate way.
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*My remarks deleted by request*
 
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here is where the "Innocent until proven guilty" theory plays a role
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The difference between theory and practice is that in theory it doesn't matter while in practice it does. Which is why many people who haven't been convicted of anything are sitting in jail waiting for the investigation and trial to decide how much longer that will be.
 
Geez, Wofmann601... you need to lighten up, a bunch. My comment re: psyche and [other stuff] was completely tongue in cheek... I was implying that some people don't get stressed out about having a government inspector headed their way or they deal with such stress in various ways.

Take a break from this thread... it seems to have you waaay more worked up than I am, for sure.
 
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Nah, not more worked up just;
that I am an absolute believer in law and order and our system of justice no matter how fouled up it can be and simply felt it necessary to voice my opinion(s). So far there has been zero evidence that this guy did infact send an empty envelope doctored to appear it had been tampered with, and with a bogus weight of 6 plus ounces for the purposes of defrauding the USPS. and I feel strongly about the need to post facts when you allege criminal conduct and the Postal Inspectors have yet to gather the facts and at this point it is simply "he said-he said".
What he (PP) is guilty of (so far) is lying to you about the $260 refund and I can think of several reasons that do not rise to the level of a FELONY Federal crime

Oh, and to say I am more worked up then you is ludicrous, I just want to do my part to keep this from a witch hunt

Maybe now that the Feds are hot on the trail of truth and facts, you will cease posting until some conclusions are reached by the Inspectors. Of course if you stop posting until facts have been established there will be no need for me to post here and I can go back to Whine and cheese!!!:D:D
 
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