pacific good survival knife?

"I feel too many of us are living in a fantasy world, thinking we need to use our knives for things they were never intended for. How the pioneers ever survived with the primitive knives they used I don't know. I may not live in the most rugged part of the world, but the Rockies can be unforgiving, if not prepared.

I agree, but I'm also sometimes guilty too..."

I guess to some extent we all are.;)
 
I guess to some extent we all are.
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Yes, I think so too. I started this way and have owned Busses and still own a 7" Fehrman and a rat7 and a 5.5 Sable but really never use them. Well, the Sable does go with me sometimes. ;) I always seem to go with a 4" fixed and a folder and multi tool. If I think I will need to "chop" I take a GB or Whetterling and just recieved a couple of Silky Saws in the mail yesterday. This seems to be working much better for me now. Kind of like layering clothes for cold weather. Layers seem to work better than one big heavy coat. :D
 
I wrote to CRK recently...Just about serrations...I really don't need them along the edge.
Not offering the serrations on the Pacific is partly machining and partly their policy, as I've been told. All of their military knives were created based on a project. The Green Beret or Yarborough with the Special Forces, The Neil Roberts Warrior Knife in honor of Neil Roberts and the Pacific is honor of the 1st Group. They want to stay true to these groups and the project and that's why they don't offer variations on the knife.

And as someone already said... I don't like the design of Roberts.
When the f**ck do I need serrations. It's not often I have to cut my way out of a crashed airplane....disturbing...But the classic design of Pacific's balde is so beautiful.
Otherwise my friends on a swedish military forum reccomend Fällkniven A1 or S1. You kan take a look at http://www.fallkniven.se/next-index.htm
Noss4 was most impressed by A1, thinking quality/price.
Are those serratinos on Pacific rerally "in the way" when you cutting tthings...?
 
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I'm sure CRK was torn about the serrations issue so they did do a 50/50 split, half the blade with, half the blade without :)

I usually don't like serrations either because they can be real pain to sharpen, but on my GB and Pacific I just use a normal Chefmate automatic sharpener and they come out fine. To me they don't seem to get in the way as much as other knives. It would be nice to offer variations but I can understand from a manufacturing/inventory standpoint that that only adds trouble.

-Troy
 
I don't care for serrations either. However, on the GB it's only 1" of serrations vs 6" of plain edge. That actually works out nicely.
 
Funny they say "Thank you for understanding"? I don't understand. And I don't see the logic in keeping all knives identical because it is a under the pretense of a "project"? And machining? They are done by hand I believe, I could be wrong but...

This is like saying all Honda civics will be red because the company feels it is best for everyone. :jerkit: If they want to do a special edition with only serrations then fine but...

And only 1 inch? Yes, right in the area I don't want it the most! I have never needed serrations and never want them. I also see the soldiers that these are allegedly designed for don't want or need them either. Again...:jerkit:

I am fed up with this. You have a company willing to use expensive equipment to place designs on knives in order to please the eye of the customer but unwilling to skip a step in manufacture to please a customers preference for function? :jerkit:

CRK may not care but I refuse to purchase a new knife from them. I will only purchase pre owned CRK if any. I will take my new purchase business to a company or maker who is willing to give me what I want, not what they think is best for me! :mad::mad::mad:
 
bluka94 said:
Not offering the serrations on the Pacific is partly machining and partly their policy, as I've been told. All of their military knives were created based on a project. The Green Beret or Yarborough with the Special Forces, The Neil Roberts Warrior Knife in honor of Neil Roberts and the Pacific is honor of the 1st Group. They want to stay true to these groups and the project and that's why they don't offer variations on the knife.
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I suppose they have to reprogram something in aplication in computer in order to avoid serrations. I don't know how much time that would take. I can only hope they come to their senses and listen to customers and launch a serie of Pacific without serrations. They would sell much more knives...of that I'm sure. And I have to point out that I'm most satisfied with service I got at CRK. A kind lady anwsered all my questions standing out with me, she must got nerves of S30V :)
I consider both A1/S1(take a look at http://www.fallkniven.se/next-index.htm) and Pacific... I'm ready to ignore those serrations if I choose Pacifc as first choice. The blade is 6" and someone said that serrations are 1" (if same as on GB) so I don't know how it will work out :confused: Someone?
They are unwilling to remove serrations and "that only plays others manufacturers in the hands" (as we say it in Sweden), and thats a shame. The sooner you learn that you live on satisfied customers the longer your business goes on. It's simple as that.
The time will tell....
If they remove serrations or launch a serie without those, I will be first in the line to buy a Pacific.
Btw, is there someone who knows how wide is blade on Pacifc?

//bluka94
 
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Dave Costin said:
Funny they say "Thank you for understanding"? I don't understand. And I don't see the logic in keeping all knives identical because it is a under the pretense of a "project"? And machining? They are done by hand I believe, I could be wrong but...

This is like saying all Honda civics will be red because the company feels it is best for everyone. :jerkit: If they want to do a special edition with only serrations then fine but...

And only 1 inch? Yes, right in the area I don't want it the most! I have never needed serrations and never want them. I also see the soldiers that these are allegedly designed for don't want or need them either. Again...:jerkit:

I am fed up with this. You have a company willing to use expensive equipment to place designs on knives in order to please the eye of the customer but unwilling to skip a step in manufacture to please a customers preference for function? :jerkit:

CRK may not care but I refuse to purchase a new knife from them. I will only purchase pre owned CRK if any. I will take my new purchase business to a company or maker who is willing to give me what I want, not what they think is best for me! :mad::mad::mad:
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I agree with you, the serrations are the only thing keeping me from buying a pacific.
Crk is losing money because of that decision.
I dont think the jerkit smiley is nessecary to prove your point though.
 
A solution might be to buy what you want and send it to Tom Krein for a regrind, You'll get what you want and likely an edge better suited for you.

I slowly come to the conclusion that CRK is not terribly receptive to input from customers. Don't get me wrong, they are all very nice, but I think they have a view that's just a touch arrogant, as if customers can't possibly know better or have any real basis.

I look back on the dull sebenza thread or the Noss test thread, and it comes across to me as "We know best, now leave us alone".

You can always vote with your wallet.
 
for what it's worth, chris reeve knows his stuff. if you don't like,don't buy.i trust what he does, check his records.no one comes close. some people you can't please.
 
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for what it's worth, chris reeve knows his stuff. if you don't like,don't buy.i trust what he does, check his records.no one comes close. some people you can't please.
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Ofcourse CR knows his stuff. Nobody argues with that. All we want is a Pacific without serrations, nothing else. Because of serrations many customers will turn to other manufacturers and purchase from them trying to find similar design. And CR loses on that. And if that's OK with him, it sure is fine with me too.
I said before and I say it again...The sooner you learn that you live on satisfied customers the longer your business will go on...
 
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A solution might be to buy what you want and send it to Tom Krein for a regrind, You'll get what you want and likely an edge better suited for you.
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Please explain. Is there a link to his site (if he has one)? I would like to see his work.
How does knifequarantee respond to this?
 
I thought about getting Tom to regrind my Pacific to get rid of the serations but he would need to remove a fair bit of steel to do it. I also thought about just rebeveling the blade to get rid of the serations but again its quite a bit of steel to remove and the edge could end up really thin.

It would be a whole lot simpler if CRK just offered the Pacific with out serations, even in limited numbers :confused:
 
I wasn't going to jump on this thread because of the questioning of CRK's policy but I can't help it. I agree. Heck, not putting on the serrations removes a step of making the blade. Just coat and sharpen. Don't get me wrong, I understand the militarys reason behind it. When the edge gets dull you still have something to cut with. Because lets face it, I bet most military personnel don't keep up on their blade sharpen like a Bladeforums member. The serrations just extend the useful life of the blade between sharpenings.
 
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Because lets face it, I bet most military personnel don't keep up on their blade sharpen like a Bladeforums member. The serrations just extend the useful life of the blade between sharpenings.
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And that's why we need a variation of Pacifc. A serie of Pacific without serrations. That way everybody will be happy and satisfied, both those who want serrations and those who don't.
I want freedom of choice!
How difficult can it be...?
 
I have one and it works fine as a camp knife. Recently, a friend of mine and I went on a camping trip. I used it for cutting fire wood and didn't have any problems with it. The double row serration pattern works well for taking the scales off of fish and for quickly making notches in wood.
 
Keep in mind that it is hard to convince CRK as a company that they are losing sales because they don't offer every knife in different variations. They can barely keep up with demand for their basic models now, and recently announced they have to stop production of other popular models to bring new ones on line.

It isn't that they are arrogant or unresponsive to their customers. They are a small specialty company with a dedicated customer base. They aren't competing with other knifemakers as much as fighting to maintain the highest possible standards on what they see themselves as doing best.

Yes, I really, really like CR knives. Please don't pretend that calling them jerk-offs or threatening to take your wallet and go home is going to convince them to beg you to redesign their lineup.
 
Threatening?:eek: God forbid!
It's a such strong word...Wouldn't you say that's only logical to seek out others who offer that you want?
No, nobody is threatening anybody here. We simply express our wishes for Pacific (or any other knife for that matter) without serrations.
And keeping the record is just for fun to see how much loss serrations can cause.
We are all aware of CRK's high quality and beauty of the blades (it's waste of time to discuss that), we are simply protesting against serrations. That's it...
And you seem to know quite a lot of what's going on at CRK. You could put a "good word" for Pacific w/o serrations along the edge ;)
I would be first in the line to buy one :thumbup:

But until then, and lucky for us ("enemy" of serrations:)), there is always a manufacturer who is redy to fulfil our requests and wishes...
And there is it...the thing I'm not able to understand...some manufacturers do everything in their power to satisfy a customer and others don't care about that.*
I really do hope that they will (at some point in future) launch a serie of Pacific w/o serrations, or at least be able to make those by request...




*Good reputation travels far, but bad one even further...
 
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