Pakistani Damascus knife is impressive!!

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Mecha said:
What are these exotic materials being used in Pakistani knives that are too expensive in America to be affordable?
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I assume the horn, bone, stag, hardwood, etc these Pakistani knives use would be far more expensive in America than some ugly G-10 that’s seems very commonplace with the big well known knives brands. And in the rare instances when the bigger knife brands use horn, bone, stag, hardwood, etc, the price is usually astronomical. Oh yeah and let’s not forget about the high price of Damascus blades in America (except Kershaw and Buck & Bear).

I honestly think many of the bigger knife companies in America price knives according to how they look too (not just materials and steel). There’s no reason for a Benchmade 698-181 Foray to cost as much as it does other than how fancy it looks.
 
Viper2 said:
I assume the horn, bone, stag, hardwood, etc these Pakistani knives use would be far more expensive in America than some ugly G-10 that’s seems very commonplace with the big well known knives brands. And in the rare instances when the bigger knife brands use horn, bone, stag, hardwood, etc, the price is usually astronomical. Oh yeah and let’s not forget about the high price of Damascus blades in America (except Kershaw and Buck & Bear).

I honestly think many of the bigger knife companies in America price knives according to how they look too (not just materials and steel). There’s no reason for a Benchmade 698-181 Foray to cost as much as it does other than how fancy it looks.
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I'll say it again. Things cost more when you buy from a reputable source with known materials. We don't know who made the knife in question or what it is made of. That is a huge turn off for most knife enthusiast, no matter the cost.
 
Viper2 said:
I assume the horn, bone, stag, hardwood, etc these Pakistani knives use would be far more expensive in America than some ugly G-10 that’s seems very commonplace with the big well known knives brands. And in the rare instances when the bigger knife brands use horn, bone, stag, hardwood, etc, the price is usually astronomical. Oh yeah and let’s not forget about the high price of Damascus blades in America (except Kershaw and Buck & Bear).

I honestly think many of the bigger knife companies in America price knives according to how they look too (not just materials and steel). There’s no reason for a Benchmade 698-181 Foray to cost as much as it does other than how fancy it looks.
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The reason that a Benchmade 698-181 Foray costs so much (besides the whole "paying for the name" thing, which is a part of it) is that they pay their employees a living wage, they employ designers and spend money on high end machinery, having tooling made for them etc. and they offer a great warranty and "spa" services free of charge on their knives.
 
I don't know what's going on here, but I got a much needed early morning laugh from "rope factory".
 
V Viper2 , I certainly am sorry that your thread has turned into a string of bigotry, racial epithets, accusations of shilling, name calling, eye roll emojis, and "whatevers" instead of intelligent discussion about knives. There is no real gain, for me at least, to participate further.

You have carried yourself throughout with dignity and intelligence, and certainly have earned my support! (Many others' I think also.)

Anybody can watch a rope cutting test video on YouTube, buy the knife for $1000, and sit there just polishing its edge and telling everyone how well it would cut if it was actually ever used.

It takes real knife savvy to find a knife one likes for $60 that performs in real life in a rope factory. I look forward to your posts in the future.
 
shinyedges said:
He never once discussed the knives, instead he discussed the people discussing the knives ;)
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"He" commented on the excessive focus in the thread on an ancillary issue, without naming anyone in particular until you took exception to [his] opinion. Upon further reflection, the point that the quality of Pakistani knives can vary widely simply cannot be made too many times and in too many ways.
 
marcinek said:
V Viper2 , I certainly am sorry that your thread has turned into a string of bigotry, racial epithets, accusations of shilling, name calling, eye roll emojis, and "whatevers" instead of intelligent discussion about knives. There is no real gain, for me at least, to participate further.

You have carried yourself throughout with dignity and intelligence, and certainly have earned my support! (Many others' I think also.)

Anybody can watch a rope cutting test video on YouTube, buy the knife for $1000, and sit there just polishing its edge and telling everyone how well it would cut if it was actually ever used.

It takes real knife savvy to find a knife one likes for $60 that performs in real life in a rope factory. I look forward to your posts in the future.
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Ah ignored all the questions and points by everyone else. :thumbsup:
 
HappyDaddy said:
"He" commented on the excessive focus in the thread on an ancillary issue, without naming anyone in particular until you took exception to [his] opinion. Upon further reflection, the point that the quality of Pakistani knives can vary widely simply cannot be made too many times and in too many ways.
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:thumbsup:
 
SteelJunkee said:
Put your expectations at the right level, and everything is going to be as you thought. :)

I mean collecting knives isn't all about their performance.... Right ???...

If I Live in London... would I be more tempted to buy the Beeeaaaaatiiiiifulllllll (expensive or cheap) Show knife instead of a Boooooooowie that can hack a car in two ???

If I live In the NoWhere / EveryWhere / ToughWhere / Canada... Would I be more inclined to buy a Bad @$$ 2 pound Bowie, For the price of 50 Beautiful but (less expensive) knives. Or would I spend 100 times more on a knife that I would never dare use....

But Yesss I sometimes buy the beautiful... not expensive ones. Even If I live in Canada... And treat them as such....

A good show knife even made of Play-Doh or Legos is always cool to look at.... And a USABLE and TOUGH show knife is simply in the Sky High Rocketing Prices... Real tough knives are at a tough price to swallow for many.... including me.

And I get The "Ohhh... Waaahhhh..." In Christmas time parties even If it can`t cut cheese :):):)

Edit: I Was pushing it... I cut the cheese and get the "Ohhh... Waaahhhh..."
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That depends on the person doing the collecting... which is exactly what I already said! (Seeing the point of the opposing argument even if one doesn't agree with it). For myself, a knife is a tool first. I don't collect safe queens so appearance is a secondary factor for me. Utility is foremost in my values so quality of materials is my number 1 factor.
 
Hello:

Now I do not frequent this site very often and well..ya all don't know me from Adam but I have to comment.... Not all knives made in Pakistan are low quality...a lot of them are..yes but here are also quite a few shops that are working on producing a higher quality product. These are not huge factories..rather the majority are small operations usually one family affairs with maybe a couple of employees as well. Now how do I know this? Because I am helping one such shop improve their product line. I am working with a place that has, at best 19th cent tech..which is no real problem for me or them..it is the craftsmanship that counts, not so much as the mechanical..couple that with decent materials and you will easily come up with a decent knife. I have seen a lot of high level skilled hand labour come from areas like this..just as I have seen some shoddy boat anchor quality things as well.. but to say that all Pakistan made knives are junk? That is out of line..

As I said you all don't know me from Adam but I have been making this stuff for a wee bit now, and I pretty well know my way around a forge and anvil....If I could figure out how to post a photo here I would for my bone-fides but I am not all that computer literate. I know what this shop is using for materials (mostly recycled spring steel) and a lot of folks on this board are probably using the same thing...

So maybe you should give folks a chance and re-evaluate the current situation and try to keep an open mind..you may be surprised.

JPH
www.atar.com for tghose that are curious..
 
Folks can win the powerball too; happens all the time it's on the news.

The vast majority of the flood of knives from Pakistan are low quality costume jewelry mass produced for export. There is no accountability or chain of custody to assure the quality of the product.

Some unscrupulous importers take advantage of these circumstance to make false claims about these knives and sell them as handmade from the UK, or the USA, or Canada to unsuspecting marks. All the energy in the production goes to producing a blade that photographs well. When it comes to cutting tasks not so much.
 
Danke42 said:
Folks can win the powerball too; happens all the time it's on the news.

The vast majority of the flood of knives from Pakistan are low quality costume jewelry mass produced for export. There is no accountability or chain of custody to assure the quality of the product.

Some unscrupulous importers take advantage of these circumstance to make false claims about these knives and sell them as handmade from the UK, or the USA, or Canada to unsuspecting marks. All the energy in the production goes to producing a blade that photographs well. When it comes to cutting tasks not so much.
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This is all fair, and has been repeatedly reiterated. For some the sheer joy of reading or writing these identically intended posts, one after another, is such that it ‘really can’t be stated too many times’. I am an altruistic person, and so I rejoice for the pleasure that it clearly brings to those gentlemen to repeat the same uncontested assertions again and again.

There is no flaming row going on here, just a mixture of responses to a chap who bought a knife he liked, knowing it was a gamble, which turned out well for him to the extent that he is using it at work. A lot of people have been keen to explain why they personally would rather have their noses sliced off than buy anything from Pakistan. That’s the beauty of consumer choice.

Personally I could not give a toss whether somebody buys a knife from there or anywhere else, not if it pleases them and is not an unlicensed rip-off. Simple.
 
Danke42 said:
Folks can win the powerball too; happens all the time it's on the news.

The vast majority of the flood of knives from Pakistan are low quality costume jewelry mass produced for export. There is no accountability or chain of custody to assure the quality of the product.

Some unscrupulous importers take advantage of these circumstance to make false claims about these knives and sell them as handmade from the UK, or the USA, or Canada to unsuspecting marks. All the energy in the production goes to producing a blade that photographs well. When it comes to cutting tasks not so much.
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This. I know I never said EVERY knife from Pakistan was low quality. I know that's not true. That said I grew up going to one of the largest flea markets in America and saw thousands of these Pakistani imports. Dirt cheap, aesthetics first, performance last.
 
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