Pakistani Damascus knife is impressive!!

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Hey if viper2 likes it cant knock him for that,the suns still gonna come up in the morning.....
 
goldie said:
Hey if viper2 likes it cant knock him for that,the suns still gonna come up in the morning.....
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I don't think most people here are knocking him for liking his knife. Quite the opposite in fact. Unfortunately his positive experience with this knife is not typical of Pakistani exports in general and people that are new to the hobby really shouldn't expect the same.
Hopefully this is a sign that things are changing. We will see.
 
Yeah knives from Pakistan and india are so far away from anything id ever buy....
 
10 page thread < read the 10 page thread.

If you enjoy it enough to start a thread about it, congrats OP. Honestly, its more impressive that this went 10 pages with multiple infractions vs the knife in question. That's my opinion.

Finally added a Ferrum Forge Archbishop to the collection - discontinued, its been near the top of my list for two whole years. It's impressive to me for $450, used from the exchange.

Also picked up a CIVIVI Backlash used from the exchange for $35, and it's impressive to me as well.

We can all be impressed by knives at a wide range of price points, depending.
 
danbot said:
I don't think most people here are knocking him for liking his knife. Quite the opposite in fact. Unfortunately his positive experience with this knife is not typical of Pakistani exports in general and people that are new to the hobby really shouldn't expect the same.
Hopefully this is a sign that things are changing. We will see.
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This right here.

Its like when a bad thread pops up about company known for quality. It is a disservice to newer members not in the know to refrain from highlighting that it is the exception to the rule rather than common place.

With that said, it does not take away or falsify that users experience, tgis thread included.
 
I haven't got through the whole thread but have to ask this question before I forget. :D (Apologies if it's addressed further on.)

Are there any non-destructive ways to distinguish Damascus from etched? Isn't etching a part of making Damascus ?
 
Bugdoc said:
I haven't got through the whole thread but have to ask this question before I forget. :D (Apologies if it's addressed further on.)

Are there any non-destructive ways to distinguish Damascus from etched? Isn't etching a part of making Damascus ?
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To test this, polish the blade. The pattern will be reduced. Then etch it again to reveal the Damascus pattern. If it doesn't come back, Then :(
 
Even if it's damascus, they could have used a smashed up pot and old food cans. That's the predominant issue, trust.

Sure it may be a quality damascus, who the hell knows when you don't know who made it, what materials went into it, and it's dirt cheap? I'm inclined to side with "you get what you pay for" in this instance.
 
Geez. All this petty arguing. Both sides have a point, but for crying out loud: both sides need to SEE the other's points as well. This is the same thing wrong with the political climate in this country these days.

Could this knife actually be decent quality? Sure, but we have no frame of reference since the O.P. didn't provide one by relating his experience with knives of widely known high quality or describe what he does with this one. It may just be nicer than his other cheap knives but still junk compared to actual good quality knives. Because the guy works in a rope factory doesn't mean the knife is good - how much actual rope cutting with a knife do you think is done in a modern factory? Do you actually think he is sitting there in an assembly line cutting piece after piece of rope all day with his knife? Doubtful, but we don't know because he didn't entail or embellish. There is a lot to be said for being thorough and accurate in one's description of use.

Additionally, on the subject of quality vs. the guy doing heat treating with a torch in his garage - the difference isn't so much the heat treat but the raw material! Where is the steel coming from for the Pakistani knife? Doubtful that it's coming from a world-class high purity steel maker like what even the garage guys can get in more developed countries. Impurities in steel are what make it inferior and cause brittleness, poor edge holding, poor hardenability, large and uneven grain size, etc.

These cheap knives MUST by design use cheap materials or they can't be sold at such low prices. Sometimes this is fine and sometimes it's not. Sometimes this is HUGELY variable even from batch to batch of knives at low quality knife companies because they don't even stick with the same suppliers but instead buy whatever is the cheapest material available at time of purchase.
 
The first fixed blade I bought was made in Pakistan, bought maybe 17 years ago? I abused it for a while and then moved on to other knives, but I still practiced stuff with it. Batonning, acid etching, file work, throwing, etc. Took it all in stride.

They have been making knives for a very long time. I don't think it's a far stretch of imagination to see a turn in quality, same as it happened with Japan and China made knives. Heck, nowadays we are willing to drop hundreds on a Chinese knife with no problem! It won't be long before savvy businessmen set shop with good quality control over there and we start seeing new brands ready to back their claims.
 
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Geez. All this petty arguing. Both sides have a point, but for crying out loud: both sides need to SEE the other's points as well. This is the same thing wrong with the political climate in this country these days.

Could this knife actually be decent quality? Sure, but we have no frame of reference since the O.P. didn't provide one by relating his experience with knives of widely known high quality or describe what he does with this one. It may just be nicer than his other cheap knives but still junk compared to actual good quality knives. Because the guy works in a rope factory doesn't mean the knife is good - how much actual rope cutting with a knife do you think is done in a modern factory? Do you actually think he is sitting there in an assembly line cutting piece after piece of rope all day with his knife? Doubtful, but we don't know because he didn't entail or embellish. There is a lot to be said for being thorough and accurate in one's description of use.

Additionally, on the subject of quality vs. the guy doing heat treating with a torch in his garage - the difference isn't so much the heat treat but the raw material! Where is the steel coming from for the Pakistani knife? Doubtful that it's coming from a world-class high purity steel maker like what even the garage guys can get in more developed countries. Impurities in steel are what make it inferior and cause brittleness, poor edge holding, poor hardenability, large and uneven grain size, etc.

These cheap knives MUST by design use cheap materials or they can't be sold at such low prices. Sometimes this is fine and sometimes it's not. Sometimes this is HUGELY variable even from batch to batch of knives at low quality knife companies because they don't even stick with the same suppliers but instead buy whatever is the cheapest material available at time of purchase.
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Put your expectations at the right level, and everything is going to be as you thought. :)

I mean collecting knives isn't all about their performance.... Right ???...

If I Live in London... would I be more tempted to buy the Beeeaaaaatiiiiifulllllll (expensive or cheap) Show knife instead of a Boooooooowie that can hack a car in two ???

If I live In the NoWhere / EveryWhere / ToughWhere / Canada... Would I be more inclined to buy a Bad @$$ 2 pound Bowie, For the price of 50 Beautiful but (less expensive) knives. Or would I spend 100 times more on a knife that I would never dare use....

But Yesss I sometimes buy the beautiful... not expensive ones. Even If I live in Canada... And treat them as such....

A good show knife even made of Play-Doh or Legos is always cool to look at.... And a USABLE and TOUGH show knife is simply in the Sky High Rocketing Prices... Real tough knives are at a tough price to swallow for many.... including me.

And I get The "Ohhh... Waaahhhh..." In Christmas time parties even If it can`t cut cheese :):):)

Edit: I Was pushing it... I cut the cheese and get the "Ohhh... Waaahhhh..."
 
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My opinion on the subject is that most likely many Pakistani Damascus knives use lower quality softer steel, but probably many use good steel as well (like my knife). The main thing is that the artwork and exotic materials in many Pakistani knives are simply too expensive in the American market to be affordable. My guess would be that a custom-made Damascus knife in America with the exact same materials as my knife would probably cost at least 10 times more money. That’s why I’m glad Pakistan can produce affordable, functional, and beautiful knives. Obviously not all Pakistani knives are impressive but it seems at least some of them are.
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What are these exotic materials being used in Pakistani knives that are too expensive in America to be affordable?
 
Viper2 said:
My opinion on the subject is that most likely many Pakistani Damascus knives use lower quality softer steel, but probably many use good steel as well (like my knife). The main thing is that the artwork and exotic materials in many Pakistani knives are simply too expensive in the American market to be affordable. My guess would be that a custom-made Damascus knife in America with the exact same materials as my knife would probably cost at least 10 times more money. That’s why I’m glad Pakistan can produce affordable, functional, and beautiful knives. Obviously not all Pakistani knives are impressive but it seems at least some of them are.
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V Viper2 :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:... + than 5000 views :cool::cool::cool:... I`m jealous :)

I bought a lot of knives like you have and learned how "to use them" and they are as much enjoyable to use as any "Hard Core", "Undestructable" "Verified" and "Certified" Behemoth found on the market.

I have a Chinese Buck "Knock off" that is better than the original... I have a Fallkniven that SUCKS so much I could cut it with that Buck... And... I have an other buck that could cut that Chinese knock off in two... And a Fallkniven that would be able to cut that buck no problems... :confused::confused::confused:

For whatever this could mean....
 
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marcinek said:
Don't ya hate when people do that?



;)
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He never once discussed the knives, instead he discussed the people discussing the knives ;)

So, tell me again how you can compare a Pakistani made knife to an American made knife despite the material cost and cost of living?
 
SteelJunkee said:
V Viper2 :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:... + than 5000 views :cool::cool::cool:... I`m jealous :)


V Viper2 :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:... + than 5000 views :cool::cool::cool:... I`m jealous :)

I bought a lot of knives like you have and learned how "to use them" and they are as much enjoyable to use as any "Hard Core", "Undestructable" "Verified" and "Certified" Behemoth found on the market.

I have a Chinese Buck "Knock off" that is better than the original... I have a Fallkniven that SUCKS so much I could cut it with that Buck... And... I have an other buck that could cut that Chinese knock off in two... And a Fallkniven that would be able to cut that buck no problems... :confused::confused::confused:

For whatever this could mean....
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I'm curious what your Buck knock off is.
 
Makael said:
I'm curious what your Buck knock off is.
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OMG The Question.... Honestly the origin are difficult to say. It is from early 70`S. The only stamp on the knife is on the blade and is "Stainless China"

And it is tough, thick, one piece Bolster - Liner - Guard, no blade play, perfect scale fit, positive lock click. Sharpened for real, 4 -5 times in 30 years.

A little slimmer and thinner than the 110, but close. Every time someone opens it he asks " Where did you get this" :)
 
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