Pakistani Damascus knife is impressive!!

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marcinek said:
Yup. They are knives. And they can be compared on price to quality ratio.

Hopefully without indignation.
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Hog wash. As I said before, a slab of genuine damascus costs more than the entire Pakistani knife.

Why didn't you answer what steels the Pakistani damascus is made of?
 
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shinyedges said:
Hog wash. As I said before, a slab of genuine damascus costs more than the entire Pakistani knife.

Why didn't you answer what steels the Pakistani damascus is made of?
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Steels good enough to work in a rope factory for a reasonable price.

Spending a lot does not necessarily indicate a better knife or better knowledge, in my opinion.

But, of course, you are also entitled to state your opinion. But we all realize that not all of us will agree with or support all our opinions unconditionally.
 
shinyedges said:
Oh, you mean getting more information before rushing to the conclusion most Pakistani knives are good quality? Lol
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I take most every review with a grain of salt. I far prefer my own examination when it comes to product quality. When I start to see reviewers who hold views similar to my own for knives that we've both used then I can start to learn who to trust for reviews.

My own experience with Pakistani blades is more inline with your own, and I have had a fair few - mostly given to me by well-intentioned gift givers, but I have purchased one or two to try out. Compared to my better knives from reputable knifemakers (Benchmade, Pro-Tech, Buck, Ka-Bar, Ontario, Kershaw - even CRKT) they don't hold a candle. I wouldn't be disappointed if some good things began to come from the region but I will probably not hold my breath.
 
danbot said:
Not really. How much is the cost of living in Pakistan? American makers being paid the equivalent would be homeless.
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A craftsman would lose money on every real folder in quality damascus he sold. I can't know for sure but I'd bet @Alan Davis Knives has well over 100.00 in materials alone in the knives he sells.

How does one sell a knife in damascus for 60.00? By cutting corners. On materials and craftsmanship. Like using pot metal or fake damascus.
 
shinyedges said:
A craftsman would lose money on every real folder in quality damascus he sold. I can't know for sure but I'd bet @Alan Davis Knives has well over 100.00 in materials alone in the knives he sells.

How does one sell a knife in damascus for 60.00? By cutting corners. On materials and craftsmanship. Like using pot metal or fake damascus.
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If he payed himself even $10/hr he would have to make a knife about every 10 minutes just to break even!
 
danbot said:
If he payed himself even $10/hr he would have to make a knife about every 10 minutes just to break even!
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That'll pay his mortgage, feed his family, buy his kids school supplies and leave a little left over for a vacation :thumbsup:
 
Yea I'm not gonna touch a pakistan made knife. They are junk and the very few that may not be so bad, are still not worth it. 8 could buy a whole bunch of better knives at 60$ that have real Steel used and function as a better knife and will last forever.

The pakistan made knife is just rubbish. Made to look nice and that's all. Normally only from a distance, cause once close up you can see many of the issues.

Ive got a pakistan made clone of a buck knife. It's from when I was a kid. I just found it in storage. It's just as bad as it once was but it's falling apart now. The steel was so bad on it. I used a Swiss army knife most of the time over it.

If you want a knife to impress filthy casuals then pakistan made knives are for you. They will ohhh and ahh over the look of it. Looks non threatening to the eye.
 
Everybody works to the level they're paid. A lot of the knives we saw during the 80's - 90's wholesaled for $ .70 - 2.00 and sold for 5 or 10x that. You were getting what you paid for. Now Pakistan is about where China was 20 years ago in terms of knives and public perception. There are firms and individual smiths that have tried, and are offering higher quality things, but when we see them, we go "Oh, Pakistan". And that's that.

Another thing the Pakistanis haven't figured out is American and European design, but they'll get there. The Japanese and Chinese had this problem too.

As for performance? That will be hit or miss, again mostly guided by pay. But can we really say that Tommy in Kentucky beating on his piece of 5160, and giving his knife the old torch and oil dip heat treatment is better than Ali giving his knife the same? I'm not so sure. The fundamentals of machining and simple heat treatments aren't that much different.

Also I note that the Pakistanis are importing decent MP-5 clones, etc..... now. It's only a matter of time before they get interested in bring more modern knife designs to market. That will be interesting, if they can put together a decent gun, a knife is child's play.
 
Blues Bender said:
Guns made in Pakistan:rolleyes:

Yeah, you can keep your made in Pakistan stamped gun and knives. I'll keep buying American made products when I have a choice.
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And you have that choice.

But I will note that a lot of folks like the Windlass swords, KHHI and HI Kukris, traditional Philippine balisongs, etc....., and they are happy with them, and those are a lot closer to to how things are built in the better Pakistani shops, then they are to modern Euro or American factories.
 
tltt said:
And you have that choice.

But I will note that a lot of folks like the Windlass swords, KHHI and HI Kukris, traditional Philippine balisongs, etc....., and they are happy with them, and those are a lot closer to to how things are built in the better Pakistani shops, then they are to modern Euro or American factories.
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:thumbsup:
 
tltt said:
Everybody works to the level they're paid. A lot of the knives we saw during the 80's - 90's wholesaled for $ .70 - 2.00 and sold for 5 or 10x that. You were getting what you paid for. Now Pakistan is about where China was 20 years ago in terms of knives and public perception. There are firms and individual smiths that have tried, and are offering higher quality things, but when we see them, we go "Oh, Pakistan". And that's that.

Another thing the Pakistanis haven't figured out is American and European design, but they'll get there. The Japanese and Chinese had this problem too.

As for performance? That will be hit or miss, again mostly guided by pay. But can we really say that Tommy in Kentucky beating on his piece of 5160, and giving his knife the old torch and oil dip heat treatment is better than Ali giving his knife the same? I'm not so sure. The fundamentals of machining and simple heat treatments aren't that much different.

Also I note that the Pakistanis are importing decent MP-5 clones, etc..... now. It's only a matter of time before they get interested in bring more modern knife designs to market. That will be interesting, if they can put together a decent gun, a knife is child's play.
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Tommy using 5160 hands down.

Firstly, 5160 is a well known and widely used in knives. The heat treatment info is available right here on this forum.

Pot steel and mystery steel? Not so much.

Secondly, if I question where Tommy got his steel I can ask him for proof.

You don't even know who made the Pakistani "damascus" knife.
 
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Here's the one my friend gave me. As you can see its already starting to rust, which is weird because where I live it's pretty dry and my antique knives don't even rust this fast. The blade dulls and bends when ever I try to cut anything so the heat treat is very poor. (Hopefully you can see how poor the edge is)

So why is one amazing and the other so poor?

I don't think mine was made in a backyard because it's lazer etched. So IMO it was made in a factory somewhere which means they want to stay anonymous because they are turning out junk.

I hate to be so negative but like others pointed out for $60 you can buy a whole heck a lot of knife! (And if you are good at pawn shops a amazing used knife ;) ) One that you know the what material is made of. The quality of the heat treat, the warranty, and the reputation behind the knife.

The fact that they can take the time to put nice looking engravings on it, but can't somehow put their own makers mark on it speaks volumes to me.
 
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cbrstar said:
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Here's the one my friend gave me. As you can see its already starting to rust, which is weird because where I live it's pretty dry and my antique knives don't even rust this fast. The blade dulls and bends when ever I try to cut anything so the heat treat is very poor. (Hopefully you can see how poor the edge is)

So why is one amazing and the other so poor?

I don't think mine was made in a backyard because it's lazer etched. So IMO it was made in a factory somewhere which means they want to stay anonymous because they are turning out junk.

I hate to be so negative but like others pointed out for $60 you can buy a whole heck a lot of knife! (And if you are good at pawn shops a amazing used knife ;) ) One that you know the what material is made of. The quality of the heat treat, the warranty, and the reputation behind the knife.

The fact that they can take the time to put nice looking engravings on it, but can't somehow put their own makers mark on it speaks volumes to me.
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Now that looks like the Pakistanie knives I'm use to seeing and a picture Is worth a thousand words.
 
Loll. we should have a "Pakistani knife" thread going all the time :p.

Most of my experience with Pakistani Folders is from the 70`s and 80`s and it is absolutely true that these knives are all pure rubbish they even rust in the best conservation condition.

I removed them from the collection and trashed them because they where causing corrosion on the knives they where stored with. and they where all having green / blue mildew all over their guard and bolster, after repeated cleanup it was always coming back.

so I thought these metals where full of impurities because I never had corrosion problem on the others before and where in mint condition when I stored them.

They contaminated my collection and I had to clean and oil all of them to make it stop. It took me some time to realize what was going on and the whole collection suffered because of this.

From that point I never bought a folding knife from this country again. That was 30 - 35 years ago, things have surely changed since. But I cannot tell.
 
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