Pakistani Damascus knife is impressive!!

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SteelJunkee said:
You hand a knife you haven't checked to your child :confused:
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LOL sorry for not being more clear:oops:. My father gave it to me as a hand me down years ago. He worked for the town as a heavy machine operator and there was a guy in town who would show up to job sites and pop his trunk to sell stuff like fishing rods,reels, and knock off items like Buck knives. Dad knew they were fake and he was very frugal with his money so it must have been inexpensive. BTW I recently confiscated a STIHL Stone River LTD folder from my 13 year old because on inspection It had horrible over travel on the liner lock so i gave him one of my Gerbers and retired his knife to in my POS knife pile. PS I really have to post pics of this stuff so I'm gonna ask my oldest son to give me some tec help tomorrow.
 
Night Rider said:
LOL sorry for not being more clear:oops:. My father gave it to me as a hand me down years ago. He worked for the town as a heavy machine operator and there was a guy in town who would show up to job sites and pop his trunk to sell stuff like fishing rods,reels, and knock off items like Buck knives. Dad knew they were fake and he was very frugal with his money so it must have been inexpensive. BTW I recently confiscated a STIHL Stone River LTD folder from my 13 year old because on inspection It had horrible over travel on the liner lock so i gave him one of my Gerbers and retired his knife to in my POS knife pile. PS I really have to post pics of this stuff so I'm gonna ask my oldest son to give me some tec help tomorrow.
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It was some sort of from the same era as mine loll no wonder why !!!

danbot said:
We've recently (in the last few years or so) seen a Pakistani manufacturer making some very nice "looking" Damascus knives and attempting to sell them for a relatively low price. The thing that makes me skeptical is that they are lying about the origin. They are claiming that they are made in Canada or certain US states or places in Europe, but that clearly isn't true. I think they are probably trying to avoid the Pakistani reputation of poor quality "made for tourists" type of knives.
The Damascus patterns are usually quite blurry, or ragged around the edges of the contrasting steels. Do you think that's from etching with acid that is too strong?
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Or too fast forging process ?
 
Viper2 said:
I purchased a Pakistan-made Damascus knife from Amazon for around $60 and I’ve been very impressed with it for the price!! I use my knives hard at a rope factory I work at. Here are the pros and cons:

Pros:

* Has good edge retention. I assume it’s at least 58 HRC because it seems most Pakistan-made Damascus knives are described as having 58-60 HRC these days and I believe it!!

* Built like a tank. I like how heavy duty and solid the knife is. No blade play.

* It’s a beautiful handmade knife. Excellent fit and finish. I love the materials they use to hand make these knives in Pakistan.

* Incredible value!! I assume this is because the American dollar is worth a lot compared to the Pakistani rupee.

Cons:

* No pocket clip. It came with a sheath instead. However, maybe sheaths are better anyways for heavy pocket knives.

Here’s some pics of my knife. It has a 4” blade and apparently weighs about 12 ounces (I like heavy knives).

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is it a liner lock? Can we see a pic?
 
shinyedges said:
What's unsettling is someone who has been on a knife forum for 5 years not expecting criticism/commentary/arguments over the small details about a knife....wait for it... on a knifeforum :eek:
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Do you have any experience with knives in the wheelhouse of the OP's? In my opinion, it looks gaudy and I'd never buy one, but I am curious as if you have any experience using these POS's in which to base your opinion? However, I've seen (in pictures) some paki blades that seem viable. How does one tell the difference between say, Direware and CRK? The materials and listed specs are similar..
 
W. Anderson said:
Do you have any experience with knives in the wheelhouse of the OP's? In my opinion, it looks gaudy and I'd never buy one, but I am curious as if you have any experience using these POS's in which to base your opinion? However, I've seen (in pictures) some paki blades that seem viable. How does one tell the difference between say, Direware and CRK? The materials and listed specs are similar..
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Yes, I have had several as well as similarly made knives I came across while deployed. Not to mention at every gun show there is a table filled with them, I've used, handled and seen enough to form a pretty decent opinion. That said, I haven't used one in years, before I joined bladeforums actually.
 
danbot said:
Perhaps, but I would think a too fast forging process would leave visible inclusions in the steel.
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But I thought, you know, it needs 7 hits, but we make it in 5. and the acid etch follows the finished steel tendency and looks a bit hairy.

So what. You can recover a lot of time in this, processing hundreds of knives ...

On the other hand the file work required on this piece is astonishing and has it`s merits on it`s own.

So at this price, it is still some kind of works of magic somewhere in their process. For that I would say, they earned their profits.
 
shinyedges said:
Yes, I have had several as well as similarly made knives I came across while deployed. Not to mention at every gun show there is a table filled with them, I've used, handled and seen enough to form a pretty decent opinion. That said, I haven't used one in years, before I joined bladeforums actually.
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Likewise, it has put me off from filework in general. If a Mfg. can't give the consumer specifics as to country of origin, let alone materials used, it's a waste of money for the consumer. Don't know why people just don't research and save.
 
Glad to hear you found a knife you enjoy. The best magical unicorn fart heat treatment can be over emphasised. I've seen many good knives made with a blow torch and canola oil in the garage. There has been alot of investment in Pakistan. The place is sitting on trillions in natural minerals.
 
W. Anderson said:
Likewise, it has put me off from filework in general. If a Mfg. can't give the consumer specifics as to country of origin, let alone materials used, it's a waste of money for the consumer. Don't know why people just don't research and save.
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They are sold in huge numbers in south florida at a massive flea market called the swap shop, as a kid I eye balled them and wanted them so bad. I eventually broke or lost the ones I got. Shrug.
 
HappyDaddy said:
A guy found a knife he likes and it engenders 7+ pages of criticism/commentary/argument? That's unsettling.
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I'm happy for the OP's apparent discovery of a knife that he has had a positive experience with and I would like to experience it myself. For ~$6O maybe I will. But my skeptical nature gives me nagging doubts based upon past experience that has been supported by other's past experience. If this thread has caused controversy, I see nothing wrong with that as long as discussion remains civil. Controversy can and does promote productive conversation. If it makes you uncomfortable, maybe just don't participate? Otherwise, I would like to hear your opinions about what has been discussed thus far.
 
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SteelJunkee said:
But I thought, you know, it needs 7 hits, but we make it in 5. and the acid etch follows the finished steel tendency and looks a bit hairy.

So what. You can recover a lot of time in this, processing hundreds of knives ...

On the other hand the file work required on this piece is astonishing and has it`s merits on it`s own.

So at this price, it is still some kind of works of magic somewhere in their process. For that I would say, they earned their profits.
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I don't put too much stock in magic and I don't agree with cutting corners at the expense of quality. If I'm going to buy a Damascus knife, it's for the ethstetics really. It doesn't perform any better than a mono steel blade by being Damascus.
 
The biggest issue with most Pakistani knives is that each dollar spent can only get you so much, even under the best of circumstances, and so when you see knives with all sorts of decorative filework and engraving and damascus, which are all labor-intensive and the price is so low...very often it's because all of the money was spent on what amount to cosmetic features rather than things like raw material quality, heat treatment, fit/finish, and good geometry. In order to hit that price point, even with the exchange rate so in their advantage, it's difficult to deliver that much ornamentation without functional sacrifices.
 
W. Anderson said:
Likewise, it has put me off from filework in general. If a Mfg. can't give the consumer specifics as to country of origin, let alone materials used, it's a waste of money for the consumer. Don't know why people just don't research and save.
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Agreed, No ones want to play loto knife and I Like to be assured of the quality of the knife I buy... Legitimate enough.

But I just cant be against peoples who buy a knife just because it`s pretty. (God knows I Did) and no matter what it is made of (regrets)

And I knew this was a "Pretty" knife and treated it for what it is. so no survival sessions and battening, tip test etc.... lolll and they are not even a slight bit collectible at allllllllll. But they are pretty and made me happy. so for the pretty...

But when you buy a knife for a purpose it`s not the same.
 
danbot said:
I don't put too much stock in magic and I don't agree with cutting corners at the expense of quality. If I'm going to buy a Damascus knife, it's for the ethstetics really. It doesn't perform any better than a mono steel blade by being Damascus.
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I always found their knives where more on the "beautiful than useful" side so I would not buy them, really.

I like Working Knives. And must admit they make some really tough knives but... They are not pretty.
 
If it's doing what you need it to do and are enjoying it, that's all that matters. Doesn't really matter where it was made, what kind of steel it is, or how spot on the heat treat is. It's a tool that's performing to your expectations, keep working it and enjoying it and don't mind the haters.
 
SteelJunkee said:
I always found their knives where more on the "beautiful than useful" side so I would not buy them, really.

I like Working Knives. And must admit they make some really tough knives but... They are not pretty.
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I agree that working knives don't need to be pretty, but if they are...that's an awesome combination! As long as they're not too pretty to use. ;)
 
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