paper sharpening wheels are easy to use, even for beginners.

i had a member wanting to send me a knife to fix since he was having trouble. he included his number in the email and i called him. after talking with him for a few minutes to find out what the problem was, i told him what to do to get his knife sharpened.
2 days later he contacted me to let me know he was able to sharpen his knife. i could have let him send me his knife but he would still have had the problem.
 
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It's just not practical for a lot of us. It's loud, it's still dangerous because it's a power tool (not that dangerous things can't be used safely), heavy making it inconvenient to bring it to people in order to sharpen it where they are being an amateur sharpener, and the chance of wrecking your blade is less if you manually sharpen your blades.

I'll stick to my stones for now.
 
I really wish this wasn't working into an argument. I think richard had an epiphany after years of hand sharpening and can't see wasting time on stones when you can get the same or similar results in a fraction of the time and he just wants people to see the light.

While on the other hand there are people who don't care about how long it takes and enjoy intricately working the edge of their blade. I would go on and say that people hand sharpening on stones are more of the perfectionist nature.

I use both ways of sharpening and I will probably still use both ways of sharpening in a mixture that suits me. I do enjoy the time saved by using the paper wheels while I enjoy the preciseness and calming activity of sharpening by hand on a stone. I am aware of the study done about the metal removal of the buffing wheel and I am fine with the pay off because I am able to use the knives faster than I would with another method.

Where I disagree with the title of this thread is that I think beginners should learn to hand sharpen on stones first to learn what is really happening before they use paper wheels. I know there are always the steady number of threads asking what a beginner should do and there are also the threads where beginners are posting their happiness with paper wheels. I think it is more likely that you can accidentally make a knife sharp on paper wheels at the cost of taking off far too much material than you need to. The propensity for beginners to rush things would create too much damage to their knives or their bodies and with or without knowing a person I would always tell someone to learn how to sharpen on stones by hand first.
 
there is one main reason i like the wheels other than the time they save me. i have fibromyalgia which has bothered me all of my life and the wheels have saved my hands from the cramps i would get from hand sharpening. its no fun to have your fingers cramp so bad you have to get someone to pry your fingers apart to let go of a knife.

i also have a lot of people contact me asking about the wheels since they have problems getting the hang of hand sharpening no matter how long they have tried. others just want more time to spend with their family and less time sharpening their knives.

if someone comes by to get a knife sharpened, i'll try to teach them how to use the wheels or even how to use a belt sander to sharpen with. most do a good job the first time trying and would do better with a little more practice. i even get emails from people who have such good luck without my help. they want to let me know how grateful they are that i took the time to make all the posts and answer all the questions.
 
I fail to see the logic behind some of the issues listed in this thread. I would guess that 99 percent of knife makers use powered sharpeners of some kind to sharpen their knives. Most professional knife shops uses them also. Now the results of their efforts can vary but I'm sure the majority of them get good results.

The paper wheel happens to be a pretty good system that any person with some mechanical skills can use to sharpen. A bench grinder is relatively cheap and the wheels are cheap too. It took me a few days and maybe a dozen practice runs to get comfortable with it and start producing good blade edges. I used old hack saw blades for practice and a cheap folder I didn't mind ruining.

Once the main bevel is set, normal maintenance only involves the polishing wheel. How much metal does that remove? Even on a completely dull knife, you only make enough passes to create a burr. Then it's over to the polishing wheel again. If you're grinding off enough metal to recurve a knife or lose 1/4 or more inches of metal in just a few years, you're doing something wrong or you use your knife WAY more than I do.

If you've never used the wheels, then you have no reason to post here. I don't talk crud about other sharpening systems and I always maintain that there are many ways to skin a cat. I just happen to use a system that skins the cat in only a few minutes.
 
I think this is an interesting thread because it tends to show both sides of the system a little more than many other threads.

On the one hand, the speed and efficiency of paper wheels is being shown. It is hard to argue with being able to sharpen a knife in under a minute.

On the other hand, the downsides of a paper wheel are being highlighted as well. Obviously, if a knife can be sharpened quickly, it can be messed up even faster.

To state that the strong points of a system make it the best is as inaccurate as stating that the weak points make it the worst.

What is the best field sharpener?

What is the best bench sharpener?

What is the best portable sharpener for those with less manual dexterity?

What is the fastest sharpener?

Various users have differing needs, and threads like this can help them choose the best tools for their needs. I wouldn't recommend a DMT Aligner to a knifemaker for their final sharpening, nor would I recommend a belt sander to a backpacker. Threads like this are important for those who have used none of these systems.
 
If you feel you're not competent to use power tools, you're probably right.

Go with your instincts.

You'll screw up just as badly with stones, but at least it'll take longer.

Complainin because a method ain't foolproof exposes the fool.
 
I fail to see the logic behind some of the issues listed in this thread. I would guess that 99 percent of knife makers use powered sharpeners of some kind to sharpen their knives. Most professional knife shops uses them also. Now the results of their efforts can vary but I'm sure the majority of them get good results.

The paper wheel happens to be a pretty good system that any person with some mechanical skills can use to sharpen. A bench grinder is relatively cheap and the wheels are cheap too. It took me a few days and maybe a dozen practice runs to get comfortable with it and start producing good blade edges. I used old hack saw blades for practice and a cheap folder I didn't mind ruining.

Once the main bevel is set, normal maintenance only involves the polishing wheel. How much metal does that remove? Even on a completely dull knife, you only make enough passes to create a burr. Then it's over to the polishing wheel again. If you're grinding off enough metal to recurve a knife or lose 1/4 or more inches of metal in just a few years, you're doing something wrong or you use your knife WAY more than I do.

If you've never used the wheels, then you have no reason to post here. I don't talk crud about other sharpening systems and I always maintain that there are many ways to skin a cat. I just happen to use a system that skins the cat in only a few minutes.

I've never used the paper wheels, but I spent a while in a machine shop and have used various grinding tools as well as hand files on projects and can say firmly that one doesn't wholly replace the need for the other.

The thing about "learning" to do it free-hand and making mistakes easier... You learn by mistakes and gain experience. The wonderful thing about power grinding equipment is that when you make a mistake, it's instant, and you understand what happened in a matter of seconds. On the other hand, when manually grinding, you may start working and make a mistake, and not really realize it until you've done many many strokes and go, "Oh, darn, I've got to start over," and then it just takes that much longer to get back from a starting position, plus it takes that much more to happen for you to understand where you made your mistake and why. If I had to learn how to sharpen drill bits on a bencstone instead of a pedestal grinder I still wouldn't know how.

As far as power grinding tools vs manual tools go, I think it should be obvious to anyone that a balance between both is the best option--power grinding tools to do most of the work for you, and manual work for precision. However at the end of the day power grinding tools just aren't that practical for everyone and they don't solve all of the problems.

No offense intended or anything richard, but I think the primary gripe people here are having is that you seem to offer the paper wheel advice where advice on such equipment is unsolicited. I'm not going to cite specific examples, but it seems that you promote them at any given opportunity. A lot of the times it's not a big deal, but imagine how irritating it must be for someone wanting advice on how to sharpen the way they're doing it, and simply being told that they should use paper wheels instead.

That's just the way I see it anyway. Power equipment is great, but a lot of people are happy doing it manually and have no real need to do it in any other way, and because of that promoting one particular way above all others becomes somewhat irritating.

I'd love to have a power setup for reprofiling though. As it stands I don't even have a proper working environment though. Just a couch and a coffee table.
 
If you feel you're not competent to use power tools, you're probably right.

Go with your instincts.

You'll screw up just as badly with stones, but at least it'll take longer.

Complainin because a method ain't foolproof exposes the fool.

How do you screw up with an aligner kit? The most you can screw up is put a recurve and an asymmetrical edge setting one side 15 and the other 20. And even then you've got to be dumber than a brick to do that.
 
I find all methods interesting,but i just dont have the time or patience for hand honed edges.Even back before i had equiptment i hated using stones and used sandpaper when sharpening by hand.One good thing about wheels and belt sanders is being able to fix and reshape damaged blades.Well,for me at least.Ive always messed with good old used knives.
 
I fail to see the logic behind some of the issues listed in this thread. I would guess that 99 percent of knife makers use powered sharpeners of some kind to sharpen their knives.

The logic is in your statement. It's the word knife 'makers.' Most people here are NOT knife makers. (Or, if they are handy, they might make 1-2 knives a year.) As I said in my original post to this thread, if you are a professional, if you have a dedicated workshop and space for a bench grinder, or if you sharpen 5-10+ knives every day, the paper wheels are a very good tool to use.

If you have a couple of pocket knives that need to get sharpened every few months, or if you live in an apartment with limited space, or you have no experience sharpening, there are much better options for you choice of sharpening methods. Paper wheels are not for everyone.

Stitchawl
 
A bladeforum member with a couple of knives?Come on now.If there is such a person,then yes,they certainly dont need a wheel setup.The coffee cup method is i hear very good.Perfect,i would think for such a person.
 
A bladeforum member with a couple of knives?Come on now.If there is such a person,then yes,they certainly dont need a wheel setup.The coffee cup method is i hear very good.Perfect,i would think for such a person.

I don't know...I have tried it, but I ran into wall because I couldn't find cups in all the grits...:D I would only recommend it if you could find diamond C, F, and EF cups, otherwise it takes all day with some of the newer steels. :foot::D:p
 
A bladeforum member with a couple of knives?Come on now.If there is such a person,then yes,they certainly dont need a wheel setup.

OK... you're right. We all have plenty of knives. I suppose that's reality for BF members. But how many do we sharpen every day. Sharpen... not strop or touch up on a steel or ceramic rod? Motors are great for production work by experienced people. The average knife nut with a handful of knives, one or two of which actually need to be put to a stone more than once a month, might find the power tools overkill. Of course, stropping an edge to 60,000 grit might be considered overkill too, but it sure is fun!

The coffee cup method is i hear very good.Perfect,i would think for such a person.

Very good, but you do need to get coffee cups from various places. A thick ceramic mug from a dinner works great for serious edge fixing. A Starbucks cup is very effective for putting a good edge back on a pocket folder. (It sucks for a 9" K-Bar.) And your wife's fine china tea cup is just the ticket for finishing up. For those of use REALLY obsessed with the 'perfect edge,' we opt for a final twirl around an translucent egg-shell thin Chinese porcelain plum wine cup... :thumbup:


Stitchawl
 
Seems like you have a few friends Richard. :D Maybe they're jealous they don't have a set?
 
Richard has been my go to sharpener for over a year now, and I have never been disappointed with his work. I don't know much about paper wheel sharpening, but Richard taught me how to maintain a shaving sharp convex edge with wood, plastic, and sand paper. Works every time for a blade that is already convexed. If you want a knife to be :eek:scary:eek: sharp, send it to Richard...:thumbup:
 
Richard has been my go to sharpener for over a year now, and I have never been disappointed with his work. I don't know much about paper wheel sharpening, but Richard taught me how to maintain a shaving sharp convex edge with wood, plastic, and sand paper. Works every time for a blade that is already convexed. If you want a knife to be :eek:scary:eek: sharp, send it to Richard...:thumbup:

I agree. I've been happy with the knives I've gotten back from him (over 10). They were meticuously done and turn around time was great. I think any knifemaker willing to teach others basics is an asset to the forums. Just my $.02. :thumbup:
 
The wheels have worked out really well for me. I never noticed them until Richard mentioned the system in a sharpening thread. Thanks Richard.
I watched a demonstration video online, tried it myself and had razor sharp edges in minutes.
I even bought an extra wheel and trimmed it down a bit for recurved blades. Too easy.

Heiheit, your Military looks better with the recurve in it. :)
 
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